News Adelaide Crows Camp Allegations and Rumors

[CrowsB4hoes]

Anyone know what this is about?

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I’m going with the Jenkins and Brisbane trade that didn’t happen.

The club was scared stiff of losing another star even turning away amazing trade deals.

Imagine if he’d have gone ...

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

It’s a disgrace that Chapman and Fagan are still there.

For all of the massive blunders they’ve made, this is the one decision that has destroyed the fabric of the AFC.

If they had any integrity or responsibility, they would’ve resigned immediately.

What is more concerning is not 1 board member has taken a stand and resigned over the cluster

 

[hey shorty]

What is more concerning is not 1 board member has taken a stand and resigned over the cluster

We've changed a couple since 2017 I think.

 

[hey shorty]

I’m going with the Jenkins and Brisbane trade that didn’t happen.

The club was scared stiff of losing another star even turning away amazing trade deals.

Imagine if he’d have gone ...

That was my first thought.

I don't know who exactly was on the table in return though.

 

[John Who]

1: you don’t know that - so why state it as a fact?
2: remember curtly Hampton, retired only months after the camp, said to be one of those affected by it.
3: a proper investigation wasn’t undertaken by the AFLPA.
4: McGovern and Hampton (retired) both had issues with the camp.
Follow that up with Betts and Jacobs a year later.
I suspect as has been reported players were promised things would change and be fixed and they weren’t.

1. Semi-fact. If indeed I was wrong McNure would surely have reported this (that someone needed immediate treatment of being psychologically distressed).

2. Hampton had a premature retirement from his ailing body and was tired of doing repeated rehabilitation. He mentioned this in an interview post-retirement. He may have been unhappy about the camp, but no factual links of this unhappiness being the cause of his retirement. Plenty of players have retired early with recurrent injuries, this was nothing new.

3. AFL or somebody had investigated and some conclusion in the lines of "could do with more due diligence". That doesn't mean anything conclusively.

4. McGovern likes KFC nuggets and the extra cash at Carlton.

Granted, I believe for sure some players disliked some of the activities during the camp, and no doubt things could have been done better. But disliking something does not equate to being psychologically traumatised.

 

[Sanders]

I can’t think of a much better way to destroy trust between club and player, than for the club to share private, personal information given by the players in confidence, to a bunch of 3rd party psych playing cowboys

there are parts of the world where that would be a criminal act

and if a player can’t confide in club officials as a consequence, then that is a broken organisation destined to fail

 

[John Who]

This is an absurd post.

What you're saying is - none of the players were required to go on stress leave, so it's all good.

Sam McClure interviewed players who gave a harrowing account of the camp and its impact on them.

The club completely failed in its duty of care towards it's players. Not only that, but the camp, and the culture at the club which allowed the camp to occur has resulted in a mass fracturing of the player group.

Who on Earth would ask to play for Adelaide given how all this has played out over the last 3 years? Even Tyson Edwards son is having second thoughts about being allowed to be picked under father son rules. That is a massive indictment on your club, and the fact that you and many others here seem to think it's no big deal is extremely disturbing.

I'm sorry, I came here as I have always had a high degree of respect for AFC, but some of the posts in this thread are just as tone deaf as the response from the club itself.

Until Adelaide Football Club takes responsibility for the camp and the subsequent fallout, it will forever be the club that destroyed itself.

I'm sorry but you say you come here with respect, and I thought I'd make a discussion with you with some counterpoints.
Seems like you don't wish to hear any counterpoints?

 

[jackster83]

It’s a disgrace that Chapman and Fagan are still there.

For all of the massive blunders they’ve made, this is the one decision that has destroyed the fabric of the AFC.

If they had any integrity or responsibility, they would’ve resigned immediately.

And Roo.

We probably need the AFL to step in, like what they had to do with both QLD clubs.

 

[Crow till I die]

Really you use CNN and not Fox News?

Why would i use fox..CNN is THE worst

 

[FreeTK]

I'm sorry but you say you come here with respect, and I thought I'd make a discussion with you with some counterpoints.
Seems like you don't wish to hear any counterpoints?

You're right, I didn't come here to fight or stick the boot in while you guys are having a tough time. I just found it astounding some of the points being raised in defence of either a) what happened or b) how the club responded.

I just felt like much of your post had the "nothing to see here, the camp was 3 years ago" vibe to it. Many people want Adelaide to be able to put this behind them, there's just a fundamental difference of opinion on what needs to happen for that to occur.

 

[Sidthehat]

Speaking of tone dear, your point about Edwards and his son has nothing to do with the camp, and actually isn't the case at all.

And might be the only good thing to come out of the McLeod drama.

 

[Sidthehat]

I’m going with the Jenkins and Brisbane trade that didn’t happen.

The club was scared stiff of losing another star even turning away amazing trade deals.

Imagine if he’d have gone ...

What would we have got pick 16 in 2016?

 

[FR0GGY]

1. Semi-fact. If indeed I was wrong McNure would surely have reported this (that someone needed immediate treatment of being psychologically distressed).

2. Hampton had a premature retirement from his ailing body and was tired of doing repeated rehabilitation. He mentioned this in an interview post-retirement. He may have been unhappy about the camp, but no factual links of this unhappiness being the cause of his retirement. Plenty of players have retired early with recurrent injuries, this was nothing new.

3. AFL or somebody had investigated and some conclusion in the lines of "could do with more due diligence". That doesn't mean anything conclusively.

4. McGovern likes KFC nuggets and the extra cash at Carlton.

Granted, I believe for sure some players disliked some of the activities during the camp, and no doubt things could have been done better. But disliking something does not equate to being psychologically traumatised.

1: not a fact, now you’re trusting MaClure to give you the facts?
2: I think it’s pretty clear what happened there ontop of his injuries.
3: You don’t actually know what happens (the afl or somebody investigated something) yet stated it as fact.
4:??
This is the problem John, you’ve accused Sam Maclure of making things up/exaggerating when you’re doing it yourself.
You are not in a position to judge if someone has been psychologically traumatized.
They don’t have to have had either for the club to have done things wrong.
As said above leaking private information to unqualified individuals is as bad as it gets.

 

[John Who]

You're right, I didn't come here to fight or stick the boot in while you guys are having a tough time. I just found it astounding some of the points being raised in defence of either a) what happened or b) how the club responded.

I just felt like much of your post had the "nothing to see here, the camp was 3 years ago" vibe to it. Many people want Adelaide to be able to put this behind them, there's just a fundamental difference of opinion on what needs to happen for that to occur.

This is where you're grossly mistaken. Some wish to choose the McNure articles as gospel and 100% truth. Others can see otherwise, and that there is a lot of added words to fit a more extreme narrative.

Nobody on this forum as far as I can tell are blind to the fact the club is spiralling down the abyss since 2018. The results are for everyone to see and hard to argue with. What some of us are arguing though, is that the reporting should be done with more facts and less opinions. For what it's worth, a lot of us can see that the hamstring injuries in 2018 was the main trigger for the downfall, the mismanagement of the injuries and the subsequent decline in club confidence somewhere since mid-2018.

Also

 

[Sanders]

I think the medical issue with Lynch was grossly exaggerated. Lynch being one of our fittest players, and for him to be the only player on the “sick list” from the camp seems more plausible he had a medical issue during that camp (it was stated loosely that he had gastro).
Also even though the club doctor wasn’t there at the camp, the article stated he “drove to Broadbeach” to help managed Lynch. Suggests to me he was lurking thereabouts and was on call when need be.

our club doctor wrote an official memo about his concerns

was he wrong to be concerned?

 

[FR0GGY]

This is where you're grossly mistaken. Some wish to choose the McNure articles as gospel and 100% truth. Others can see otherwise, and that there is a lot of added words to fit a more extreme narrative.

Nobody on this forum as far as I can tell are blind to the fact the club is spiralling down the abyss since 2018. The results are for everyone to see and hard to argue with. What some of us are arguing though, is that the reporting should be done with more facts and less opinions. For what it's worth, a lot of us can see that the hamstring injuries in 2018 was the main trigger for the downfall, the mismanagement of the injuries and the subsequent decline in club confidence somewhere since mid-2018.

Also

This whole thread is about an article giving the facts rather than an opinion piece.

 

[Murray2503]

And Roo.

We probably need the AFL to step in, like what they had to do with both QLD clubs.

If enough members raise their concerns with the Afl they will be obliged to step in. Dont they own the licence? Start showing some leadership Gillon.

 

[FR0GGY]

I think the medical issue with Lynch was grossly exaggerated. Lynch being one of our fittest players, and for him to be the only player on the “sick list” from the camp seems more plausible he had a medical issue during that camp (it was stated loosely that he had gastro).
Also even though the club doctor wasn’t there at the camp, the article stated he “drove to Broadbeach” to help managed Lynch. Suggests to me he was lurking thereabouts and was on call when need be.

The article also stated
“Cesana, along with club welfare boss Emma Barr, was not allowed to attend the camp.

He was given no details of what they were doing nor where they were going.“

 

[John Who]

1: not a fact, now you’re trusting MaClure to give you the facts?
2: I think it’s pretty clear what happened there ontop of his injuries.
3: You don’t actually know what happens (the afl or somebody investigated something) yet stated it as fact.
4:??
This is the problem John, you’ve accused Sam Maclure of making things up/exaggerating when you’re doing it yourself.
You are not in a position to judge if someone has been psychologically traumatized.
They don’t have to have had either for the club to have done things wrong.
As said above leaking private information to unqualified individuals is as bad as it gets.

Mate, you're literally scrutinizing me with each and every word. You're not doing the same to McNure's journalistic masterpieces.

No, I'm not in a position to judge whether someone at the camp was being psychologically traumatized, but then how would McNure be in a better position? Did he have any evidence confirming that players were actually traumatised? All he's done (and this is fact as far as I'm concerned) is collecting part dialogues from some players who disliked some of the incidents on the camp. The recent article just went on more about the details of the activities without the actual evidence that emotional trauma had occurred.

 

[Sanders]

You have your opinion, but on the presumption McNure is being honest with his article. The facts are this:
- Players were alledged to be very distraught after the camp.
- A few questionable activities were done.
- No conclusive facts that these activities lead to significant emotional trauma.

Also facts:
- no player needed to seek immediate psychological treatment.
- AFLPA did not find any notable wrong doing by the club.
- no players asked for any stress leave since the camp.
- no players asked to be traded in 2018 except MGovern.

Logical fallacy:
1. Camp messed with the players’ minds.
2. results have been poor since the camp.
3. therefore the camp must have really messed with the players’ minds.

Christ on a bike, the boards wanna be amateur psych sleuth is back

 

[John Who]

our club doctor wrote an official memo about his concerns

was he wrong to be concerned?

Depends on what he wrote.

 

[FreeTK]

This is where you're grossly mistaken. Some wish to choose the McNure articles as gospel and 100% truth. Others can see otherwise, and that there is a lot of added words to fit a more extreme narrative.

Nobody on this forum as far as I can tell are blind to the fact the club is spiralling down the abyss since 2018. The results are for everyone to see and hard to argue with. What some of us are arguing though, is that the reporting should be done with more facts and less opinions. For what it's worth, a lot of us can see that the hamstring injuries in 2018 was the main trigger for the downfall, the mismanagement of the injuries and the subsequent decline in club confidence somewhere since mid-2018.

Also

So you think that the main issue impacting on Adelaide is confidence issues stemming from hamstring strains in 2018?

 

[FR0GGY]

Mate, you're literally scrutinizing me with each and every word. You're not doing the same to McNure's journalistic masterpieces.

No, I'm not in a position to judge whether someone at the camp was being psychologically traumatized, but then how would McNure be in a better position? Did he have any evidence confirming that players were actually traumatised? All he's done (and this is fact as far as I'm concerned) is collecting part dialogues from some players who disliked some of the incidents on the camp. The recent article just went on more about the details of the activities without the actual evidence that emotional trauma had occurred.

Why does it have to have taken place?
He’s reporting what happened from the view of what people that were there.
It was a shitshow and we handled it in the same manner, I don’t know why you can’t see that and want to put it all back on Maclure.

 

[Sanders]

Mate, you're literally scrutinizing me with each and every word. You're not doing the same to McNure's journalistic masterpieces.

No, I'm not in a position to judge whether someone at the camp was being psychologically traumatized, but then how would McNure be in a better position? Did he have any evidence confirming that players were actually traumatised? All he's done (and this is fact as far as I'm concerned) is collecting part dialogues from some players who disliked some of the incidents on the camp. The recent article just went on more about the details of the activities without the actual evidence that emotional trauma had occurred.

Delusional

 

[Sanders]

Depends on what he wrote.

whoa that’s deep John

always asking the hard questions