News Adelaide Crows Camp Allegations and Rumors

[FreeTK]

McClure is like the CNN of reporting though - the club could have said anything to him and after he applies his filters to it is becomes unrecognisable - you'll struggle to find many crows supporters that trust McClure in any capacity

I think that's a convenient excuse, to discredit the journo is just deflection and more of the same.

 

[Redline]

We only have ourselves to blame for these articles. The Media and Communications people are there to manage these situations not just write media releases and script questions for our players to get asked during interviews. The club lied, mislead and fumbled it's way through it.

The camp was massive failling but we managed the fall out so badly that it became more of a story than it should of. A good media strategy would of had this go away within a few weeks

 

[John Who]

I think that's a convenient excuse, to discredit the journo is just deflection and more of the same.

You have your opinion, but on the presumption McNure is being honest with his article. The facts are this:
- Players were alledged to be very distraught after the camp.
- A few questionable activities were done.
- No conclusive facts that these activities lead to significant emotional trauma.

Also facts:
- no player needed to seek immediate psychological treatment.
- AFLPA did not find any notable wrong doing by the club.
- no players asked for any stress leave since the camp.
- no players asked to be traded in 2018 except MGovern.

Logical fallacy:
1. Camp messed with the players’ minds.
2. results have been poor since the camp.
3. therefore the camp must have really messed with the players’ minds.

 

[Damp Squarie]

McClure you are a gutter journalist trying desperately hard to be relevant...your old news is not working you Prictorian wannabe.

 

[hey shorty]

And now Nicks has to deal with fallout.... Again.

 

[WheresGroomgone]

Just curious.

Has any AFL "Journalist" done any poking around and asked why AFL clubs stopped going to camps in Dubai and Arizona after the Essendon saga blew up?



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Or the Port camp where a player died????

 

[Crow till I die]

I think that's a convenient excuse, to discredit the journo is just deflection and more of the same.

If he was a credible journalist he would not write utter garbage

 

[dude316]

Also, just to deal with the 'none of this is a big deal' nonsense: it doesn't matter whether the very few left who still want to defend what we did think it's a big deal. Who is concerned with the views of the last few rats too foolish to jump off the titanic?

What matters is that it is apparent that players thought it was a big deal. Players who are at other clubs. Players who have friends at other clubs. Players who will talk to other players.

This will absolutely impact upon our capacity to attract players, which was already abysmal.

You don't think that indigenous players might take the views of Eddie Betts seriously when he says that we offended him to the point that he lost the desire to play football?

This is a disaster, and the fact that we didnt immediately do everything imaginable to rebuild good will is mind boggling.

You don’t think the “hide under some coats, and hope that somehow everything will work out” strategy was the best way to go?

 

[Crowked]

Meh. Welcome to 3 years ago.

 

[cedric]

The smoking gun is that the club divulged sensitive personal information about the players to snake oil pseudoscientists who used said information against them.

That aspect is totally disgraceful and unacceptable. Whoever divulged that info should be named and shamed, then banned for life from the industry

Exactly. More than anything this is what stands out. Imagine you confided in your boss at work sensitive information and they in turn spread it around the office or whatever work environment. You would never forgive or look them in the eye again. The trust is broken and beyond repair.

 

[hey shorty]

I wonder what Nicks is going to say to try and bring peace to the players.

Will it do anything to the remaining aggrieved players, should their be any ?? Does he batten down the hatches and say "Under Adam and my leadership this will never ever happen at this footy club"

Or can he not do anything ??

 

[marvin]

Did anybody’s opinion change after this article?

It seems those inclined to think the very worst of the camp still think it was an unmitigated disaster. Those at the other end of the spectrum probably still think it’s all a Victorian media beat up. And in the gradations in between, people seem to think exactly what they thought before this article - whether that is that the removal of Pike/Burton/Campo is enough, or that some combination of Roo/Chapman/Fages need to go to end this sorry chapter, or that young Sam is loose in switching between facts and opinions.

I just don’t see this as a game changer. And anecdotally, the observation that the mates who have gleefully messaged me with every update to this saga over the last two years are conspicuously silent today suggests to me that supporters of other clubs are similarly unmoved.

 

[hey shorty]

Did anybody’s opinion change after this article?

It seems those inclined to think the very worst of the camp still think it was an unmitigated disaster. Those at the other end of the spectrum probably still think it’s all a Victorian media beat up. And in the gradations in between, people seem to think exactly what they thought before this article - whether that is that the removal of Pike/Burton/Campo is enough, or that some combination of Roo/Chapman/Fages need to go to end this sorry chapter, or that young Sam is loose in switching between facts and opinions.

I just don’t see this as a game changer. And anecdotally, the observation that the mates who have gleefully messaged me with every update to this saga over the last two years are conspicuously silent today suggests to me that supporters of other clubs are similarly unmoved.

Yeah nothing changed for mine.

The camp was ordinary, our handling of it was diabolical.

 

[FR0GGY]

Also facts:
- no player needed to seek immediate psychological treatment.
- AFLPA did not find any notable wrong doing by the club.
- no players asked for any stress leave since the camp.
- no players asked to be traded in 2018 except MGovern.

1: you don’t know that - so why state it as a fact?
2: remember curtly Hampton, retired only months after the camp, said to be one of those affected by it.
3: a proper investigation wasn’t undertaken by the AFLPA.
4: McGovern and Hampton (retired) both had issues with the camp.
Follow that up with Betts and Jacobs a year later.
I suspect as has been reported players were promised things would change and be fixed and they weren’t.

 

[FreeTK]

You have your opinion, but on the presumption McNure is being honest with his article. The facts are this:
- Players were alledged to be very distraught after the camp.
- A few questionable activities were done.
- No conclusive facts that these activities lead to significant emotional trauma.

Also facts:
- no player needed to seek immediate psychological treatment.
- AFLPA did not find any notable wrong doing by the club.
- no players asked for any stress leave since the camp.
- no players asked to be traded in 2018 except MGovern.

Logical fallacy:
1. Camp messed with the players’ minds.
2. results have been poor since the camp.
3. therefore the camp must have really messed with the players’ minds.

This is an absurd post.

What you're saying is - none of the players were required to go on stress leave, so it's all good.

Sam McClure interviewed players who gave a harrowing account of the camp and its impact on them.

The club completely failed in its duty of care towards it's players. Not only that, but the camp, and the culture at the club which allowed the camp to occur has resulted in a mass fracturing of the player group.

Who on Earth would ask to play for Adelaide given how all this has played out over the last 3 years? Even Tyson Edwards son is having second thoughts about being allowed to be picked under father son rules. That is a massive indictment on your club, and the fact that you and many others here seem to think it's no big deal is extremely disturbing.

I'm sorry, I came here as I have always had a high degree of respect for AFC, but some of the posts in this thread are just as tone deaf as the response from the club itself.

Until Adelaide Football Club takes responsibility for the camp and the subsequent fallout, it will forever be the club that destroyed itself.

 

[hey shorty]

1: you don’t know that - so why state it as a fact?
2: remember curtly Hampton, retired only months after the camp, said to be one of those affected by it.
3: a proper investigation wasn’t undertaken by the AFLPA.
4: McGovern and Hampton (retired) both had issues with the camp.
Follow that up with Betts and Jacobs a year later.
I suspect as has been reported players were promised things would change and be fixed and they weren’t.

Sauce was more annoyed by getting dropped. Gov sooked up because we didn't pay him enough

You can bet your bottom dollar the PA did a proper investigation, and if they didn't then what kind of a shit union are they ??

 

[MRB37]

Anyone know what this is about?

 

[hey shorty]

This is an absurd post.

What you're saying is - none of the players were required to go on stress leave, so it's all good.

Sam McClure interviewed players who gave a harrowing account of the camp and its impact on them.

The club completely failed in its duty of care towards it's players. Not only that, but the camp, and the culture at the club which allowed the camp to occur has resulted in a mass fracturing of the player group.

Who on Earth would ask to play for Adelaide given how all this has played out over the last 3 years? Even Tyson Edwards son is having second thoughts about being allowed to be picked under father son rules. That is a massive indictment on your club, and the fact that you and many others here seem to think it's no big deal is extremely disturbing.

I'm sorry, I came here as I have always had a high degree of respect for AFC, but some of the posts in this thread are just as tone deaf as the response from the club itself.

Until Adelaide Football Club takes responsibility for the camp and the subsequent fallout, it will forever be the club that destroyed itself.

Speaking of tone dear, your point about Edwards and his son has nothing to do with the camp, and actually isn't the case at all.

 

[1970crow]

I’m guessing Eddie was the main source for this article? His picture is front and centre in the article

My cash would be on JJ. Eddie the face as our most famous and also one of the aggrieved indigenous guys. Definitely the most powerful figure for the purpose.

 

[hey shorty]

Anyone know what this is about?

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I'd be interested to know, but I reckon I could guess

 

[hey shorty]

Anyone know what this is about?

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I'd be interested to know, but I reckon I could guess

 

[Murray2503]

So ****ing sick of this story. Are we going to be hearing bout this shit in 20 years? We know the club ****ed up. Club should be bringing legal action against this campaigner for harassment. This filth is trying to make a career out of this crap. Piece of shit.

 

[Scrogdogg]

Here are my issues with the article.

1. What does it achieve? This has been talked about for 3 years. How does this add anything useful to the discussion?

2. There is no new information here. It is just the same thing, put into a narrative form, with insignificant small details added to attempt to make it sound more genuine. If I missed some, please tell me what the new information is.

3. The only thing new is that he has changed from 'my sources', to 'I've spoken to 6 former players who attended the camp.' Gives more credibility right?

Well here's the problem, those 6 players aren't named, and specific quotes aren't attributed to specific people.

The article talks about there being 3 different groups who experienced different levels of the camp. The article focuses only on the details of the senior camp.

If only 1 of the 6 players he talked to was in the senior camp, then he only has one source for the article. The fact that he doesn't give much detail about the players makes me think this is the situation.

4. Why the fu** is this news when there is currently a club where a NAMED player has only recently publicly gone on record saying he was subjected to systemic racism while at a club, and that is getting less attention.

5. Gibbs says he experienced worse camps at Carlton. fu** me, shouldn't there be investigations into their camps then?

6. I'm just sick of our club being beaten when it's down. We're trying to move forward, and dealing with getting destroyed every week while in a rebuild. Surely that's bad enough. Time for the afl media to pick a new media scapegoat.

End rant.

We can't close the door on the media year after year and expect them to be nice and fair to us. The Royal Family we ain't.

 

[MRB37]

I'd be interested to know, but I reckon I could guess

I'm guessing it's Ricciouto getting pissy again that someone disagreed with him, but I always thought he and Stewart were tight.

 

[hey shorty]

I'm guessing it's Ricciouto getting pissy again that someone disagreed with him, but I always thought he and Stewart were tight.

Yeah I don't think Roo would cross Stewart.