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Step 1 - Put AFL in a difficult position via the adjournment
Step 2 - Offer a solution to said difficult position
Step 3 - AFL limits their punishment to this
Gough
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Possibly gives you an idea of the depth of shit the Crows find themselves in. Voluntary withdrawal from the first two rounds of the draft is regarded as a smart move. Hate to see their board do something really stupid, like, say agree to trade a player away at the end of his contract for a second round draft pick and pay him outside the salary cap.
AFL would have blocked trade anyways champ.
Obviously a poor understander of the legal system then.
Why does everybody assume we would have been going for a KPP anyway? Sanderson has said since Tippett left that it was unlikely we'd replace Tippett with a like for like player.
Your post reeks of somebody who has no idea of what our list requires. Outside speed and carry are far more important than KPP's at this stage, and with pick 20, we would have had a very good chance of adding Kennedy, who has both of those qualities in spades.
I'm not going to bother anymore, seriously.
It was for a MINIMUM 2nd round draft pick, and the exact details of this agreement won't be known until next week.
We never paid a cent to him outside the salary cap, and all 3rd party agreements were above board. The only thing we will come under strife for is the alleged rumours about putting down on paper that the club would make up any shortfalls in 3rd party payments. This could (and would) have been put under the salary cap in any case.
I'm not surprised though, the number of people still living in 3-4 weeks ago on here is astounding.
The Goon
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Be honest BACCS - whatever Blissid has said before that quote is pretty laughable.
"Honest mistake"? Yeah right.
The game continues................
It's amazing how barely anyone outside of our own supporters knows that Rendell stated Jenkins was picked up a year ago in the likely event Tippo left. Not to mention another very capable player in the Tippett mould in Mckernan.
Another KPD is certainly something the club would be looking into, but outside speed is certainly our most pressing need atm.
McKernan is "very capable" all of a sudden? News to me...
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Which of these was the honest mistake to which he refers:
- paying a player outside of what was declared to the AFL
- agreeing with player movement terms as part of contract and concealed this from the AFL
- pandered to a douche bag that they should have traded away for picks years ago
- kept administration staff at the club, who are not operating in the best interests of the club or its supporters
- getting caught for their moronic acts
1. never happened
2. you've nailed it sunshine
3. true but irrelevant
4. your comment = irrelevant
5. wtf???
So one out of five aint bad
Agreed. Really stupid.
Agreed. Even more stupid when you consider he is worth considerably more than the terms agreed in the 'gentleman's agreement'
Absolutely. So pathetic.
They are just waiting for the hearing before they sack anybody, which is fair enough really.
They underestimated how much of a douche Kurt and his management are. I don't think they ever realised how much trouble the trade was going to be. Chances are if he had gone home to QLD this scandal never would have seen the light of day (not that it makes them any less guilty). I think the Crows painted themselves into a corner and admitting guilt was the better option.
We have pick 28 now!! I'm thrilled!!!
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You would also have to wonder club would take the risk of taking on Tippett, as he has clearly shown that he is willing to trash a club that gave him a start in the AFL and has paid him incredibly well for doing so.
He has shown no loyalty and his lack of values are obvious to all. You would have to think that he would be an incredible risk to any club, that took him on.
It wont happen, but would be nice to see him sit out for a season, as no club took him on at the end of this season. May be a wake up call for him.
I'm not pissed off at all, that was just factual. If you wanted to get the pick for Tippet, the club should have kept their mouth shut and taken the crap trade that was on offer due to the secret deal with Tippet. Blowing the lid off it was only ever going to result in more punishment than keeping quiet.
Again, not pissed at all. Just find the justification from Crows fans funny. There are people on here claiming the club is doing a good/honest thing by taking itself out of the draft (no self interest at all) and also claiming the charges are "clearly not that serious" despite the obviously serious preemptive actions the club is taking.
Interesting quotes from Anderson;
One would hope that the AFL Commission, at its meeting this week, authorised Anderson to accept what will generally be seen, in part, as an admission of guilt and going on Anderson's words follows one on one discussions with Adelaide.
After all it's the AFL Commission that is tasked with determining guilt in the Tippett/AFC hearing and it is they, should guilt be established, who will determine appropriate penalties, not Anderson or the Adelaide football club.
It's not obvious to me why the club did this. It certainly seems to presume guilt and inevitable punishment, even though Adrian 'Anderson insisted the Crows' draft-pick concession wasn't a complete admission of guilt.'
Perhaps the key word from Anderson is complete.
We are only speculating on the Crows Board - who isn't? - that this might be:
1. a plea bargain deal by the club accepting guilt for the Yippett secret side-deal on future trade value.
2. the third-party ASAs issue is still be heard by the Commission
3. the three club officials charged could still receive individual punishment (noting they each have their own legal representation.
So out best spin is this will be the extent of the club's draft penalties.
This could be a way for the club and the AFL to simplify the hearing.
Ah, ok then. Very odd way of looking at things, but ok.
While it is not outright said, some of the following make it seem as if this as a plea bargain sort of deal.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-it-draft-picks-20-and-54-20121121-29pov.html
It appears clear to me that Adelaide realised that due to all the compensation picks, draft picks this year are not as valuable as draft picks next year. They and the AFL discussed the situation & came to an arrangement. So these people expecting at the Crows will be smacked harder will be dissapointed. Why would be AFL not reward the Crows for doing this, they want clubs to give in and not fight them all the way. I wonder if the AFL is having the same sort of discussions with Melbourne.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-it-draft-picks-20-and-54-20121121-29pov.html
"THE AFL was saved embarrassment at Thursday's national draft after Adelaide's extraordinary decision "
"Anderson applauded the Crows' decision to voluntarily relinquish the first two draft picks and admitted he would stonily recommend to the AFL Commission the ''appropriate'' decision should be strongly taken into account when and if the commissioners have to consider punishment for the Crows"
''We had discussions with Adelaide but at the end of the day this is something that Adelaide had to volunteer"
"So Adelaide's decision to voluntarily forgo picks helps the AFL out of the uncomfortable situation of having the club participate in a draft while confronting such serious charges and potential punishments.
Adelaide's move required an AFL Commission circular to change the draft order.
The Crows could not have simply passed on their first two picks and then picked in the third and subsequent rounds as once a club passes on a pick it cannot re-enter the draft"
Adelaide's move required an AFL Commission circular to change the draft order.
The Crows could not have simply passed on their first two picks and then picked in the third and subsequent rounds as once a club passes on a pick it cannot re-enter the draft"
It appears clear to me that Adelaide realised that due to all the compensation picks, draft picks this year are not as valuable as draft picks next year. They and the AFL discussed the situation & came to an arrangement. So these people expecting at the Crows will be smacked harder will be dissapointed. Why would be AFL not reward the Crows for doing this, they want clubs to give in and not fight them all the way. I wonder if the AFL is having the same sort of discussions with Melbourne.
Hank93
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Baldur Yep, from the AFL statement, it's pretty clear to me that this is a plea bargain, and will definitely work in the Crows favour.
Discussions with the AFL over this decision also seem to have taken place. There's no way they would have dropped these picks if they knew it wouldn't have benefited their situation.
I'm pretty confident we'll cop one more year of draft sanctions at the most, (possibly none), and a large fine.
Now to hope that Kennedy and Grundy get selected before pick 20....
Discussions with the AFL over this decision also seem to have taken place. There's no way they would have dropped these picks if they knew it wouldn't have benefited their situation.
I'm pretty confident we'll cop one more year of draft sanctions at the most, (possibly none), and a large fine.
Now to hope that Kennedy and Grundy get selected before pick 20....
Brasher
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Aren't you supposed to preface all of your damning statements with "according to the media reports"?
For someone who has been quite bullish in quoting all the official rules in play here your now advocating that an admission of guilt (and I'm not even sure the Crows actions in surrendering draft picks is that) should be doubly penalised???? Man, even the Salem victims had their burnt at the stake convictions commuted to life sentences for confessing to being witches.
I had my doubts before but it is clear to me now that your comments on this subject really conceal a broader issue you have with the AFC.
