Free Agency Compensation must be abolished

[blinkd]

it's pretty easy

band 1 is directly after your original round 1 pick
band 2 is the end of round 1
band 3 is directly after your original round 2 pick
band 4 is the end of round 2

and so on

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Yeah I read that. Doesn’t say anywhere that compensation picks are directly after a clubs draft pick but i guess it appears that way.

 

[HairyO]

Or no F/S, Academy, FA compo, compo for being crap, or anything else in the 1st round.

Stink up the 2nd round onwards any way you want, but keep the top 18 players as is.

 

[dmac_55]

it's pretty easy

band 1 is directly after your original round 1 pick
band 2 is the end of round 1
band 3 is directly after your original round 2 pick
band 4 is the end of round 2

and so on

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Simple change then. Band 1 is now officially band 2. Remove the first bracket and slide everything down.

3 highest paid free agents give picks 19,20,21 to the clubs that lose them.

Then it gets into band 2/3 and so on

Perryman could have been paid more than battle, but GWS get a worse pick because they were more successful? If say Toby Greene signed a 7 year 13 mill contract with the pies, battle would still give more compensation to the saints and on half the salary!. Doesn’t make any sense.

 

[Obeanie1]

Pick 8 is fine. Battle's an established player at the height of his career. No guarantee pick 8 will ever get that far.


Do we actually have facts to support this rather than feelings?

Yes.

Lots of them.

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

Or no F/S, Academy, FA compo, compo for being crap, or anything else in the 1st round.

Stink up the 2nd round onwards any way you want, but keep the top 18 players as is.

Agree, get rid of the whole lot.

 

[HairyO]

Agree, get rid of the whole lot.

I dont mind some compensation for some things. A pure draft every year will mean that the poor teams will never rise up.

 

[Mat Mann]

Simple change then. Band 1 is now officially band 2. Remove the first bracket and slide everything down.

3 highest paid free agents give picks 19,20,21 to the clubs that lose them.

Then it gets into band 2/3 and so on

Perryman could have been paid more than battle, but GWS get a worse pick because they were more successful? If say Toby Greene signed a 7 year 13 mill contract with the pies, battle would still give more compensation to the saints and on half the salary!. Doesn’t make any sense.

doesn't make sense that Brisbane will get the no.1 pick for cheap straight after winning the flag, which includes at best pick 18 onwards, 2 years after Daicos who again was probably the best kid in the draft goes for a combination of pick less that the value of pick 4, after Pies traded out of the draft to skirt the cost
or the GCS picked up 4 players in the top 25 after trading out 1 pick into the following year and using 2nd 3rd and 4th round picks to pay for them all

I don't see a thread whinging about that, but St Kilda, must whinge about them getting something

 

[oak79]

I dont mind some compensation for some things. A pure draft every year will mean that the poor teams will never rise up.

A pure draft and a salary cap gives clubs equal chance of rising up, if a club is well run

It's the fs, academy, compensation and priority picks that compromise this

Free agency shouldn't, as clubs all have to work under the same cap (reality is it will have some affect).

 

[oak79]

doesn't make sense that Brisbane will get the no.1 pick for cheap straight after winning the flag, which includes at best pick 18 onwards, 2 years after Daicos who again was probably the best kid in the draft goes for a combination of pick less that the value of pick 4, after Pies traded out of the draft to skirt the cost
or the GCS picked up 4 players in the top 25 after trading out 1 pick into the following year and using 2nd 3rd and 4th round picks to pay for them all

I don't see a thread whinging about that, but St Kilda, must whinge about them getting something

I have no issue with Lions getting a fs - but they should have to give up their first round for him.

The fact they are premiers is just lucky, and wouldn't happen often.

I'll say it again, abolish points, clubs have to use next available pick (or 1 directly above) on a fs/acad - and you can't trade out/down.

Nominations / bids are done / locked in pre-draft.

This way no club is ever moved down the draft order because of a fs or academy pick

 

[Outtatym]

Hold players, yes. And they should do that more often.

Trade without consent, hell to the no. What about the players' kids and partner? There's a reason this shit only goes on in the USA, where even ordinary players are paid millions, and workers' rights are an afterthought.

Ordinary player's already are getting paid millions in our game.
When the average salary is $450k I see no issue with it. Ordinary people move their family across country for much much less.

 

[The Tilt]

I have no issue with Lions getting a fs - but they should have to give up their first round for him.

The fact they are premiers is just lucky, and wouldn't happen often.

I'll say it again, abolish points, clubs have to use next available pick (or 1 directly above) on a fs/acad - and you can't trade out/down.

Nominations / bids are done / locked in pre-draft.

This way no club is ever moved down the draft order because of a fs or academy pick

Not the thread for it, but this is a terrible idea. This would essentially mean pick 1 and pick 18 are of equal value when it comes to matching a bid on a father-son or academy player. It would allow the reigning premier to use pick 18 to match for the best player in the draft, while forcing the wooden-spooner to use their pick 1 on a player likely to go late first-round (or more likely just risk losing the player).

The fix is to simply to abolish the discount and get the points distribution right, so the clubs accessing father-sons/academies pay the actual market value. Your proposal would allow Brisbane to pay even less for Ashcroft than they're about to: it would make an already bad situation worse.

 

[Jupes]

we need FA compo to stop shit teams being feeder clubs? compo literally incentivises just that.

 

[iameviljez]

Ordinary player's already are getting paid millions in our game.
When the average salary is $450k I see no issue with it. Ordinary people move their family across country for much much less.

It’s only the top ten or so who get a million a year.

Trading without consent has the potential to rip families apart. My own wife’s job is highly specific, it has state based registration and she could not just move.

If clubs want more power, grow the balls to hold players to contract.

 

[FreoRicci]

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is a pick 8?
GAGF.

Why should clubs be compensated for their poor list management ?

 

[Off Stump 89]

I get the call to scrap FA compensation. It compromises the draft and impacts neutral clubs negatively. Which of course means FS and academy need to be scrapped as well

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[Off Stump 89]

It's ludicrous that Richmond don't have the option to draft Levi Ashcroft. On what grounds? Nostalgia?

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[austinnn]

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is a pick 8?
GAGF.

Why should clubs be compensated for their poor list management ?

What would you pay for Josh Battle in a trade if your club wanted the player? What do you think the selling club would accept?

Battle's management insisted on the length of his last contract extension.

 

[Toump Ass]

I don't mind free agency compensation. You lose a player, you receive a pick to replace them. What's the problem?

 

[Rob R]

Lower the compensation (starting no earlier than round 2) and have the recipient club pay it.

Fully agree the first part. AFLPA will never agree to the first part as it essentially wouldn't be free agency

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[Freomaniac]

You sound bitter, like never seeing your team win a flag bitter

plugs wont be alone.

I am a dockers fan. I might not see the dockers win a flag in my lifetime either.

GWS and gold coast might be a chance.

 

[FreoFan85]

What would you pay for Josh Battle in a trade if your club wanted the player? What do you think the selling club would accept?

Battle's management insisted on the length of his last contract extension.

Put it this way… who do you rate more as a defensive option Barrass or Battle?

Ironically the hawks pay for one of those first rounders but the 16 other clubs pay for the second.

Why is my team being disadvantaged for hawthorn to have a better backline and for you to be compensated for losing him?

 

[Obeanie1]

Fully agree the first part. AFLPA will never agree to the first part as it essentially wouldn't be free agency

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Why?

AFLPA represent the players not the club. They dont care what compo clubs get. They care about their members being able to move to their club of choice.

Now why the players wont be happy with reduced compo is because as we all know clubs will pay more to entice a player to move as a free agent because they get them at no draft cost. They pay the player more because all the other clubs pay in draft captial as their picks are devalued.

Too bad players. You shouldnt be getting paid more because of a dedogy pick purchasing scam.

What should happen in free agency is the AFL determines a discounted trade price to reflect years of service and the club chasing the player pays up the discounted pick. A single pick the purchasing club must cough up. The two clubs have no say in that but the compo is provided by the club chasing the player. Not the 16 clubs who have no involvement.

 

[oak79]

Not the thread for it, but this is a terrible idea. This would essentially mean pick 1 and pick 18 are of equal value when it comes to matching a bid on a father-son or academy player. It would allow the reigning premier to use pick 18 to match for the best player in the draft, while forcing the wooden-spooner to use their pick 1 on a player likely to go late first-round (or more likely just risk losing the player).

The fix is to simply to abolish the discount and get the points distribution right, so the clubs accessing father-sons/academies pay the actual market value. Your proposal would allow Brisbane to pay even less for Ashcroft than they're about to: it would make an already bad situation worse.

It's not perfect, but its much better than combining a bunch of junk picks to get a top pick, and pushing every other club back in the draft - removing point discount won't stop this.

It's very rare that a guy rated 1 is going to be available to the premiers - that's an outlier. The junk pick / pick slide has become the norm.
It's more likely a club with say pick 10 gets a pick 5 level player - but at least they have to use pick 10.

If you want a compromise, a club must use their top pick in this scenerio AND combine points from lower picks to make up the value - but they can't trade out their top pick, it must be used on the FS

But I'd still prefer a simple system without points and pick sliding. No clubs should have their picks moved down ( compensation picks are the worst and should be abolished)

 

[oak79]

I don't mind free agency compensation. You lose a player, you receive a pick to replace them. What's the problem?

Because every other club is disadvantaged by the pick you gain.

The pick is regularly worth more than the player you lost.

Barass would possibly be pick 3 compo if he was a free agent, but because he is contracted the eagles will be lucky to get a mid teens pick.

As a free agent hawthorn would get him for free, as a contracted player they have to pay.

The system is broken.

The compensation for losing a player is the chance for you to get a player. That should be it. Everyone has the same salary cap - use that money to recruit someone else.

To prevent top teams getting all the free agents, Restricted free agents should only be available to bottom 8 teams (they can go to top teams via a trade)

 

[Rotayjay]

Free agency should never have been introduced. American crap infecting our game.