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[NoobPie]

I wasn't comparing pal I just thought the article showcased the Victory are doing OK for what they are in a very competitive market.

St.Kilda suprised me in being Balance sheet insolvent" maybe it has something to do with the move back to Morrabbin? I would have thought the Saints where one of the more stable clubs in Victoria.

Wow, you're "pal-ing" me now?

You directly repeated the silly comparison made in the article between victory and the ffa, which is what I called a silly comparison

St kilda raise less revenue than the Gold Coast and the same as GWS in 2015. Best part of ten million behind north despite the latter having no gaming assets. I have no idea how they got themselves in to that position but presumably they have improved on last years form

https://hurlingpeoplenow.wordpress.com/2016/09/20/how-much-money-does-your-club-make/

 

[giggler99]

Wow, you're "pal-ing" me now?

You directly repeated the silly comparison made in the article between victory and the ffa, which is what I called a silly comparison

St kilda raise less revenue than the Gold Coast and the same as GWS in 2015. Best part of ten million behind north despite the latter having no gaming assets. I have no idea how they got themselves in to that position but presumably they have improved on last years form

https://hurlingpeoplenow.wordpress.com/2016/09/20/how-much-money-does-your-club-make/

I pal everyone but if you don't want me to pal you OK fine then.. I never had a problem with some of your views I just disagree with them.

Well that "direct" comparison was tongue and cheek hence the lol.
I meant the fact that you compared it to the AFL clubs which wasn't my intention at all.

Thanks for that article will explain a lot on how the money flows, I'm not much of a financial guru.

 

[Our Game]

Last night in Perth BBL 20,446 A League 9210 and no doubt the BBL would have a million more TV viewers than the A League.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I heard the Ch 10 director of BBL talking to Gerard Whateley this morning on ABC Radio's cricket coverage - well small segment before they went back to normal programming - and he reckons the BBL last night peaked at 1.7m. Media Week reckon it didn't average that high. The director went on about how you can't manufacture a Chris Lynn but a player like that just draws in the numbers. The fact social media goes crazy, #Lynnsanity was the number 1 trending twitter hashtag for a few hours last night. He reckons this just got people to flick on the TV and watch him bat no matter how deep into his innings he was.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

And looks like the $300mil for 5 years for the next BBL contract ie $60m/year as I wrote about in the 2016 thread now is what the TV market is expecting given the last couple of weeks of BBL numbers. The story on the back page of today's Tele in Sydney was written before last night's Lynsanity and covered the 2 Sydney teams back to back games peaking at 1.48 and 1.47 mil.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...s/news-story/29a5ebc806071c2e758f86d3a40bf668
CRICKET’S next TV deal could reach $800 million as Channel 9 prepares to throw everything at securing the Big Bash League. This week’s cricket has proved why the Ten Network is facing an almighty fight to retain rights to the BBL. The Twenty20 matches has challenged the SCG Test — one of the standout sporting events on the Australian calendar — when it comes to TV ratings.

While Nine attracted a national peak audience of 1.821 million and 1.427 million on its opening two days, Ten’s BBL numbers peaked at 1.47 million for Tuesday’s Sydney Sixers-Brisbane Heat match, then 1.48 million the following night in the Sydney Thunder last-ball win. Nine are so desperate to add the BBL to their summer schedule they are placing more importance on the short-form rights than Australia’s internationals.
Talks with Cricket Australia will hot up as early as March. Given the BBL is run by CA — not the International Cricket Council — there is more room for networks to trial new technology such as miking up players while batting and bowling. Only Test cricket can hold its own against the BBL when it comes to ratings.
.....
Nine pay $90 million a year for all Tests, one-dayers and T20s, and are unlikely to budge on that price when the current five-year deal expires at the end of next summer. But the $20 million paid by Ten for the BBL each season is set to fetch as much as $60 million a season when it comes up for renewal at the end of next summer. Fox Sports are not expected to compete for the new BBL rights and Cricket Australia would also prefer cricket remain on the free-to-air networks. Ten are aware they will need to dig much deeper to retain the BBL rights........Cricket would be more than pleased with a deal that could nudge as much as $800 million over five years if the BBL rights triple to $60 million a year and the international rights go for close to $100 million.....
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...s/news-story/29a5ebc806071c2e758f86d3a40bf668

 

[NoobPie]

I heard the Ch 10 director of BBL talking to Gerard Whateley this morning on ABC Radio's cricket coverage - well small segment before they went back to normal programming - and he reckons the BBL last night peaked at 1.7m. Media Week reckon it didn't average that high. The director went on about how you can't manufacture a Chris Lynn but a player like that just draws in the numbers. The fact social media goes crazy, #Lynnsanity was the number 1 trending twitter hashtag for a few hours last night. He reckons this just got people to flick on the TV and watch him bat no matter how deep into his innings he was.

And the prime time HAL game got 39,000...

For all the criticisms of the "sizzle" of the BBL, in addition to it being a sport australian's have a strong affinity with, it is also is full of world class elite sports people. Brendan McCullum was playing second fiddle last night FFS

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The ABC have put up the link to the interview Gerard Whateley had with Channel Ten's executive in charge of the Big Bash League, David Barham. The sound cloud audio link of the interview is embedded in the story

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-...he-biggest-bbl-drawcard/8165806?section=sport
A stunning start to the Big Bash League season has made Brisbane Heat's Chris Lynn a star on social media and the league's top drawcard amid growing interest in the competition. Channel Ten's executive in charge of the Big Bash League, David Barham, told Grandstand on Friday the big-hitting Brisbane Heat batsman was drawing a huge audience.

"Even in just (a) pure numbers sense, when we took over (the Big Bash) I think Fox Sports were doing about 180,000 people a night. Last night (Scorchers v Heat) 1.7 million people watched Chris Lynn," he said........"Crowds were 14,000 when we took over, I think the average crowd was (14,000), and now it is (32,000). "So the growth of the game has been so enormous and I think it has been so good on so many levels for so many people. "I was just thinking before 'how good this for Chris Lynn' - would we be talking about Chris Lynn now if Big Bash hadn't happened?' "Probably not, because he had been playing some Shield cricket, he might have been doing whatever he was doing.
...
Barham acknowledged that social media - and performances like Lynn's - was driving a lot of the Big Bash League's viewing, comparing it to the furore in last year's competition over...... "Ironically it was a year ago Chris Gayle happened and last night it was Chris Lynn. The Twitter reactions were almost similar," he said. "The way Chris Lynn, the way the Twittersphere blew up last night watching Chris Lynn was very similar to how the Twittersphere blew up when Chris Gayle blew up last year......
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-...he-biggest-bbl-drawcard/8165806?section=sport

 

[Port182]

Last night in Perth BBL 20,446 A League 9210 and no doubt the BBL would have a million more TV viewers than the A League.

Once again, two healthy crowds across two codes. No need to claim any sort of victory.

 

[Port182]

And the prime time HAL game got 39,000...

For all the criticisms of the "sizzle" of the BBL, in addition to it being a sport australian's have a strong affinity with, it is also is full of world class elite sports people. Brendan McCullum was playing second fiddle last night FFS

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I would hardly call Perth v Wellington (yes, a team outside of AUS) kicking off at 9pm on the eastern states prime time. But hey, keep smashing the A-League. That is one of the lowest drawing matches of the comp on TV so feel free to judge the whole comp off it....

 

[clarkoscluster]

23,409 at the test yesterday.

 

[NoobPie]

I would hardly call Perth v Wellington (yes, a team outside of AUS) kicking off at 9pm on the eastern states prime time. But hey, keep smashing the A-League. That is one of the lowest drawing matches of the comp on TV so feel free to judge the whole comp off it....

Geepers, the soccer shoulder chip set are more sensitive than bat echolocation

I just posted the tweet on the appropriate thread and made a comment about why I think the BBL is popular.

How is that smashing the A League? This thread is a bench marking thread and, don't forget, national supremacy is a stated corporate goal of the FFA

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...a/news-story/66343c59cbab3be9a0774ee2bd9415c4

 

[Our Game]

Once again, two healthy crowds across two codes. No need to claim any sort of victory.

You reckon 9000 for the A League in Perth is a good crowd?
Im not claiming a victory just stating the facts!

 

[Kwality]

You reckon 9000 for the A League in Perth is a good crowd?
Im not claiming a victory just stating the facts!

» MOST RECENT ATTENDANCES
CROWD DATE SPORT EVENT
9,210 Football A-League: Perth v Wellington
9,119 Football A-League: Perth v Sydney
9,202 Football A-League: Perth v Newcastle
10,011 Football A-League: Perth v Adelaide
13,290 Football A-League: Perth v Western Sydney
11,209 Football A-League: Perth v Wellington
20,283 Rugby League Test Match: Kangaroos v New Zealand
9,501 Football A-League: Perth v Central Coast
16,202 Rugby Union Wallabies v Argentina
18,923 Football WCQ: Socceroos v Iraq
11,109 Rugby League NRL: Sea Eagles v Warriors
13,142 Rugby League NRL: Rabbitohs v Titans
9,247 Rugby Union Super Rugby: Force v Bulls
12,301 Rugby Union Super Rugby: Force v Crusaders
14,504 Football A-League: Perth Glory v Melbourne City

http://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/stadiums_crowds.php?id=92

 

[Port182]

You reckon 9000 for the A League in Perth is a good crowd?
Im not claiming a victory just stating the facts!

Yes, in the context of Perth's crowds against Wellington and their past crowds, it was a very solid attendance.

 

[Port182]

And don't dare frame the narrative that 'soccer fans are precious' because they push back against the 'BBL is flying and the only thing worth watching in summer' narrative. And just because soccer doesn't rate nearly as high as cricket (which rates higher than NRL and AFL), doesn't mean it's a failure.

BBL goes for six weeks. It's ultra successful but only goes for six weeks. Let's not forget that.

 

[Our Game]

And just because soccer doesn't rate nearly as high as cricket

ATM it rates no where!
Lets see if soccer can get over 1 million a match when there is no BBL

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

And just because soccer doesn't rate nearly as high as cricket

ATM it rates no where!
Lets see if soccer can get over 1 million a match when there is no BBL

If you are not on free to air you wont rate decent numbers compared to free to air big nembers. The BBL - as per the interview with Channel Ten's executive in charge of the Big Bash League, David Barham I posted above, said, it rated 180k when it was on Foxtel. It peaked at 1.7mil last night when #lynnsanity was at its crazy best. A League Soccer probably isn't good enough to peak at 1 mil on free to air outside of finals.

 

[NoobPie]

If you are not on free to air you wont rate decent numbers compared to free to air big nembers. The BBL - as per the interview with Channel Ten's executive in charge of the Big Bash League, David Barham I posted above, said, it rated 180k when it was on Foxtel. It peaked at 1.7mil last night when #lynnsanity was at its crazy best. A League Soccer probably isn't good enough to peak at 1 mil on free to air outside of finals.

Probably not in finals either...here are the combined finals ratings from Wookie's data since SBS started showing the HAL finals on delay



Most people interested in the A League have fox it seems with fox and SBS numbers in an arm wrestle..

..combined grand finals are poking their heads above 500,000 with the majority share shifting marginally to SBS in the last two years... if you take out the GF, last year the other finals rated 72,000 on SBS and 90,000 on foxtel

 

[Rob]

I would hardly call Perth v Wellington (yes, a team outside of AUS) kicking off at 9pm on the eastern states prime time.

Prime time is 6pm to midnight. So 9 to 11pm is well within prime time. (on a related note, you'd be filthy if you were a Wellington fan in NZ. Why would they schedule a Phoenix game at 11pm NZ time on a Thursday night?)

 

[Port182]

If you are not on free to air you wont rate decent numbers compared to free to air big nembers. The BBL - as per the interview with Channel Ten's executive in charge of the Big Bash League, David Barham I posted above, said, it rated 180k when it was on Foxtel. It peaked at 1.7mil last night when #lynnsanity was at its crazy best. A League Soccer probably isn't good enough to peak at 1 mil on free to air outside of finals.

Thanks for the non-troll reply.

Just highlights the power of FTA. Key for the A-League is to find a commercial FTA partner that promotes the big Saturday night game as well as the BBL. No reason why the top A-League games can't rate 300-400k metro average if given similar treatment and not shafted like SBS has.

 

[Port182]

Probably not in finals either...here are the combined finals ratings from Wookie's data since SBS started showing the HAL finals on delay

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Most people interested in the A League have fox it seems with fox and SBS numbers in an arm wrestle..

..combined grand finals are poking their heads above 500,000 with the majority share shifting marginally to SBS in the last two years... if you take out the GF, last year the other finals rated 72,000 on SBS and 90,000 on foxtel

All those finals SBS games are on delay so impossible to compare to what it could be on a commercial network and live.

 

[NoobPie]

Thanks for the non-troll reply.

Just highlights the power of FTA. Key for the A-League is to find a commercial FTA partner that promotes the big Saturday night game as well as the BBL. No reason why the top A-League games can't rate 300-400k metro average if given similar treatment and not shafted like SBS has.

SBS hasn't shafted the Hal, they put it on their second channel because the ratings were such that they were losing out keeping it on the main channel. Apparently they said they'd put it on their main channel if they got the Saturday night games and the ffa (read Foxtel) said no. The Hal has been on SBS on Friday nights for 4 years, how many people do you think that are potential regular viewers aren't aware of this? Most hardcore Hal fans probably have Foxtel, there are just not that many people in this country interested in watching the a league

The bbl gets massive viewers because people want to watch it! It's world class cricketers playing a sport the Australians like to watch more

Do you seriously think 40,000 will become a sustained 400,000 because some commercial fta promotes it? Promotion works at the magins and loses its effect over time....

All those finals SBS games are on delay so impossible to compare to what it could be on a commercial network and live.

...not a direct comparison but it's fair to say that if it only just tips 300,000 once in 3 years when victory are playing Sydney fc for the gf - even on 1 hour delay - there is little hope that these numbers will be achieved on a weekly basis through the season

Have you considered why not one fta even put a bid in in the formal tender process pre Christmas?

 

[Port182]

Well, Channel 10's own said today the average BBL rating was 180k on FOX and now it averages around 800k metro average a night. A-League average on Fox for the big games is around 100k so yes, I do expect it to rate 300-400k on a main channel if given similar promotion. End of the day BBL is six weeks, it's hardly got the market covered. There's still Oct, Nov, most of Dec, Feb and most of March where there is little on. More than enough space for the loser of the BBL rights to take a single game, promote it well and see an uplift in ratings. Will never reach the heights of the BBL but it doesn't have to to be successful.

Cricket is our national sport but soccer is growing as well. Happy to put up my hand up this time next year if the new FTA game on commercial TV hasn't rated well but for the time being it's a wait and see. Don't judge the whole league on the pathetic SBS2 coverage. Also - why is the NBL on the main channel when it rates way lower than any A-League game ever did on SBS1? More than just ratings figures at play that contributed to the shafting.

 

[NoobPie]

Well, Channel 10's own said today the average BBL rating was 180k on FOX and now it averages around 800k metro average a night. A-League average on Fox for the big games is around 100k so yes, I do expect it to rate 300-400k on a main channel if given similar promotion. End of the day BBL is six weeks, it's hardly got the market covered. There's still Oct, Nov, most of Dec, Feb and most of March where there is little on. More than enough space for the loser of the BBL rights to take a single game, promote it well and see an uplift in ratings. Will never reach the heights of the BBL but it doesn't have to to be successful.

Cricket is our national sport but soccer is growing as well. Happy to put up my hand up this time next year if the new FTA game on commercial TV hasn't rated well but for the time being it's a wait and see. Don't judge the whole league on the pathetic SBS2 coverage. Also - why is the NBL on the main channel when it rates way lower than any A-League game ever did on SBS1? More than just ratings figures at play that contributed to the shafting.

Because the basketball is on during the afternoon and not on the blue ribbon Friday night spot?

Seriously, it is not SBS's fault that not enough people watch it to justify a first channel prime time spot.

The a league will end up on a second channel

 

[Our Game]

Melbourne City could only pull 10 ,000 last night in Melbourne against the WSW

Thats a very ordinary crowd for a city of 4.5 million with at least 1 million migrant soccer fans So why dont these supposed soccer fans support the A League?