Delisted Adrian Dodoro - Lodged a dispute with FairWork. Paid out. Gone. #putoutyourjackets

[Stargazer]

Every year I hear those associated with the ND say "we'll pick the best player available" and every year I shudder when I hear it. It is impossible to guage just who is going to be the big star of the current group of potential draftees in four or five years time. So many will fall by the wayside.
So I believe we should go for the best player in the category we need, ie a chb, a midfielder, a ruckman, and not get sucked in to who is the BEST of this current group of wannabees.

 

[DaSawx]

I agree Sheeds played this bloke the wrong way and the Essendon football club should never have let him go. All this talk about not keeping him because all our forward positions are full is nonsense, tell me when a bloke thats almost 200cm and covers the ground well didn't come in handy? He won Bendigo's b and f and should have been given a chance in 2008 to prove his capabilities at AFL level. I think all you so called fans that have potted him on this web site should feel ashamed - are you supporters or bandwagon jumpers?

Kepler made the decision before we could, he wanted to leave to gain better opportunities elsewhere, we can't keep a player who doesn't want to stay.

And don't accuse my fellow fans of being bandwagoners, Kepler may have recieved some baggage from not just some of us but all footy fans, some warranted, some un-warranted, but we are not the first and certainly not the last team to give our own player a bad wrap

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I agree Sheeds played this bloke the wrong way and the Essendon football club should never have let him go. All this talk about not keeping him because all our forward positions are full is nonsense, tell me when a bloke thats almost 200cm and covers the ground well didn't come in handy? He won Bendigo's b and f and should have been given a chance in 2008 to prove his capabilities at AFL level. I think all you so called fans that have potted him on this web site should feel ashamed - are you supporters or bandwagon jumpers?

Where would he play for us though. We have Lloyd, Lucas, Gumbleton, Neagle as talls. Then Davey, Lovett, etc as smalls. Honestly he was never going to get regular gametime as a forward and he can only play forward. Hope he does well for his next club but he was never going to work for Essendon!

 

[Stargazer]

I agree Sheeds played this bloke the wrong way and the Essendon football club should never have let him go. All this talk about not keeping him because all our forward positions are full is nonsense, tell me when a bloke thats almost 200cm and covers the ground well didn't come in handy? He won Bendigo's b and f and should have been given a chance in 2008 to prove his capabilities at AFL level. I think all you so called fans that have potted him on this web site should feel ashamed - are you supporters or bandwagon jumpers?

I agree he was handled badly by our coaches, but in their defence, no-one should come to an AFL club and expect to play in one position. The fact that you are given the opportunity to learn defensive skills - especially when there's no room for another tall on the forward line - should be taken up by the players concerned as a challenge, an opportunity to play senior footy in a different area of the ground, and should be accepted as a compliment.
Bradley's poor skills did him no favours,imo.

 

[Jex]

Every year I hear those associated with the ND say "we'll pick the best player available" and every year I shudder when I hear it. It is impossible to guage just who is going to be the big star of the current group of potential draftees in four or five years time. So many will fall by the wayside.
So I believe we should go for the best player in the category we need, ie a chb, a midfielder, a ruckman, and not get sucked in to who is the BEST of this current group of wannabees.

We should draft based on who we think will have the best career. Basing our
selections on needs increases our chances of picking up duds.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

We should draft based on who we think will have the best career. Basing our
selections on needs increases our chances of picking up duds.

Masten or Palmer!

 

[northcote_cowboy]

Guys in hindsight, maybe I am being harsh. And thanks for pointing out the Heath Shaw error! But looking at that 2003 draft - it sure looks like one of the poorer ones in the past 5 years.

 

[The Donners]

Kepler made the decision before we could, he wanted to leave to gain better opportunities elsewhere, we can't keep a player who doesn't want to stay.

And don't accuse my fellow fans of being bandwagoners, Kepler may have recieved some baggage from not just some of us but all footy fans, some warranted, some un-warranted, but we are not the first and certainly not the last team to give our own player a bad wrap

Here here!

 

[Oggy's cousin]

It was a poor draft no doubt, I still think we could have done better than Dud Bradley!

Dodoro's drafting of top 20 players over the last 5 years is thus:

2002: #10 Laycock, #11 Winderlich
2003: #6 Bradley, #13 Stanton
2004: #14 Monfries
2005: #7 Ryder, #19 Dempsey
2006: #2 Gumbleton, #18 Jetta, #20 Hislop


I implore you to find any Essendon supporter who is not happy with that return. Dealing in hindsight is irrelevant when talking about the draft. It's what return you get from the players drafted, not mixing and matching all the best results from other clubs to suit your argument.

What if Freo drafted Matt Lloyd instead of trading away that #1 priority pick for example.

To compare, this is Sydney's top 20 draft picks/first pick return over the same period:

2002: #5 McVeigh
2003: #16 Josh Willoughby
2004: #31 Jarred Moore
2005: #51 Matt Laidlaw
2006: #15 Daniel O'Keefe

Just some food for thought...

 

[whirl]

What if Freo drafted Matt Lloyd instead of trading away that #1 priority pick for example.

They never had that pick. It was a pick in a special 16 year old draft (as opposed to being a minimum of 17 for eligiblility in the normal draft at the time iirc) given by the AFL as compensation for losing an uncontracted player to Fremantle under the special rules of their introduction to the AFL. Any club that lost a player got a pick in the compensatory draft and then ladder position determined the order for clubs as it does in the regular draft. We also did a deal with Freo to not to take any players from teams ranked below us, and snared the pick (#4) that nabbed Scott Lucas as a bonus in the national draft. Freo never had access to this draft however.

 

[FandangoDingo]

Here here!

Where where??

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I've got this bookmarked

you're going to store a bookmark for two years?

You sad little man

 

[The Donners]

Dodoro's drafting of top 20 players over the last 5 years is thus:

2002: #10 Laycock, #11 Winderlich
2003: #6 Bradley, #13 Stanton
2004: #14 Monfries
2005: #7 Ryder, #19 Dempsey
2006: #2 Gumbleton, #18 Jetta, #20 Hislop


I implore you to find any Essendon supporter who is not happy with that return. Dealing in hindsight is irrelevant when talking about the draft. It's what return you get from the players drafted, not mixing and matching all the best results from other clubs to suit your argument.

What if Freo drafted Matt Lloyd instead of trading away that #1 priority pick for example.

To compare, this is Sydney's top 20 draft picks/first pick return over the same period:

2002: #5 McVeigh
2003: #16 Josh Willoughby
2004: #31 Jarred Moore
2005: #51 Matt Laidlaw
2006: #15 Daniel O'Keefe

Just some food for thought...

Those highlighted have done very little. Not to say they won't turn into top AFL players, but I'm not going to get on the wagon that quickly.

You failed to mention that Sydney picked up:

2002: #64 Nick Malceski, trade for Nick Davis
2003: #45 Amon Buchanan, PSD #3 Craig Bolton
2004: trade for Darren Jolly
2005: trade for Ted Richards, Essendon picked Courtney Dempsey
Courtney Dempsey = 6 games for Essendon
Ted Richards = 46 games for Sydney
2006: trade for Peter Everitt

Might be an argument for who has done better. Sydney also won a premiership in 2005 which backs up that claim.

Essendon:

2000: #17 James Davies, #32 Sam Hunt, #47 Jordan Bannister, #63 Marc Bullen, #74 Michael Davis, PSD #6 Barry Young
2001: #18 Shane Harvey, #31 Joel Reynolds, #34 Simon O'keefe, #47 Andrew Welsh, #50 Paul Salmon, #64 Daniel McAlister

Only Andrew Welsh remains on our list!!!

Sydney:

2000: #24 Luke Ablett, trade for Paul Williams
2001: #28 Matthew Powell, #29 Lewis Roberts-Thompson, #53 Daniel Hunt, #60 Adam Schneider, trade for Barry Hall, trade for Nick Daffy

Ablett, Roberts-Thompson, and Barry Hall still remain on their list and all 3 played in their 2005 premiership team!

 

[Oggy's cousin]

They never had that pick. It was a pick in a special 16 year old draft (as opposed to being a minimum of 17 for eligiblility in the normal draft at the time iirc) given by the AFL as compensation for losing an uncontracted player to Fremantle under the special rules of their introduction to the AFL. Any club that lost a player got a pick in the compensatory draft and then ladder position determined the order for clubs as it does in the regular draft. We also did a deal with Freo to not to take any players from teams ranked below us, and snared the pick (#4) that nabbed Scott Lucas as a bonus in the national draft. Freo never had access to this draft however.

Freo had a priority pick which they traded to Essendon in return for Todd Ridley, Dale Kickett et al.

Which uncontracted playter did Essendon lose? We offloaded a pack of duds.

Delaney was another I think.

 

[Oggy's cousin]

Those highlighted have done very little. Not to say they won't turn into top AFL players, but I'm not going to get on the wagon that quickly.

You failed to mention that Sydney picked up:

2002: #64 Nick Malceski, trade for Nick Davis
2003: #45 Amon Buchanan, PSD #3 Craig Bolton
2004: trade for Darren Jolly
2005: trade for Ted Richards, Essendon picked Courtney Dempsey
Courtney Dempsey = 6 games for Essendon
Ted Richards = 46 games for Sydney
2006: trade for Peter Everitt

Might be an argument for who has done better. Sydney also won a premiership in 2005 which backs up that claim.

Essendon:

2000: #17 James Davies, #32 Sam Hunt, #47 Jordan Bannister, #63 Marc Bullen, #74 Michael Davis, PSD #6 Barry Young
2001: #18 Shane Harvey, #31 Joel Reynolds, #34 Simon O'keefe, #47 Andrew Welsh, #50 Paul Salmon, #64 Daniel McAlister

Only Andrew Welsh remains on our list!!!

Sydney:

2000: #24 Luke Ablett, trade for Paul Williams
2001: #28 Matthew Powell, #29 Lewis Roberts-Thompson, #53 Daniel Hunt, #60 Adam Schneider, trade for Barry Hall, trade for Nick Daffy

Ablett, Roberts-Thompson, and Barry Hall still remain on their list and all 3 played in their 2005 premiership team!

Good points, well made.

However, we are talking about drafting though. You have named Paul Williams, Barry Hall, Peter Everitt, Nick Daffy, Darren Jolly, Nick Davis and Ted Richards, who were all traded for. They have done this alot better than any other clubs.

But Essendon have also had rookie elevations in Mark Johnson, Dean Rioli, Damien Peverill, Courtney Johns and Heath Hocking next year to name a few

I think this just highlights Sydney's use of additional salary cap space. It is a recruitment policy that will lead to a Carlton type period in not too long. No kids coming through at all, old midfield, key fwds > 30 yrs, key defenders > 30.

 

[windyhill]

Freo had a priority pick which they traded to Essendon in return for Todd Ridley, Dale Kickett et al.

Which uncontracted playter did Essendon lose? We offloaded a pack of duds.

Delaney was another I think.

No Oggy, Freo could never get their hands on Lloyd, Hawwforn had him lined up all summer after they lost Ben Allan to freo and then we came in at the death with the ridley/kickett/delaney deal.

 

[Sanj]

I'm starting to think along the lines that we have got a fair few midfielders that will be pretty good for us and don't necessarily need to draft em for the sake of it.

We have a core group currently of Watson, Stanton, McVeigh, Winderlich, Lovett + Pev or JJ for more grunt and experience next year if need be.

We then have Slattery, Monfries, Dempsey, Hislop, Houli, Reimers, Lonergan, Hocking coming through.

Maybe our recruiting staff think the midfielders in this draft won't be as good as a Hislop or Houli or Dempsey or Reimers...

Maybe they are backing in our young midfielders and will give them game time and are trying to plug holes in other areas.

I for one won't be disappointed if we don't draft a midfielder with our first pick.

I'm also confident that in 2 years time a midfield of Watson, Stanton, Slattery, Winderlich, Lovett, Dempsey, Monfries, Hislop, Houli, Reimers will be considered one of the leagues best.

Jimmy Bartel, Gary Ablett Jnr, Joel Corey, David Wojcinski, Cameron Ling, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and after all these names Joel Selwood cream on top.

Chris Judd, Ben Cousins, Daniel Kerr, Michael Braun, Andrew Embley, Chad Fletcher, Adam Selwood and after all these names Matthew Priddis the cream on top.

Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell, Jordon Lewis, Chance Bateman, Shane Crawford, Brad Sewell, Grant Birchall and put in a Campbell Brown.

These group of players is what you call midfielders.

The players you mention doesn't even come on the same list. If you think those (highlighted) players will win you a premiership, just have to tell you this mate. You are dreaming...

Stanton, Winderlich and McVeigh can never get to the standard of Judd, Cousins, Mitchell, Hodge, Bartel and Ablett catergories. (They are all explosive midfielders who turn games in a 5 minute period). Maybe those three can be 5th, 6th and 7th choice. My god, you even had Pevrill in this group.

Watson is really good at clearances, Hislop and Houli can turn out to be anything. But Lovett and Dempey don't have the body to play out and out midfield position. Davey and Jetta don't have the body or the motor to play in the midfield. All four can be used as link players in burst. But that's about it.

I am not sure about Monfries, he lacks pace. I have a feeling Reimers will play a Mercury type of a role.

So who is our top four midfielders, who we can hope will takes us to a premiership? Hislop, Houli and Watson...we desperately need a couple more Palmer/Masten/Ebert to start off with.

Don't just put a group of hacks and say we have a lot of midfielders. WE NEED EXPLOSIVE RUNNING MIDFIELDERS, WITH A BIT OF SKILL.

(Sorry this midfield issue is really sensitive to me. Ever since that Bloody Bradley got picked up...).

 

[ant555]

Jimmy Bartel, Gary Ablett Jnr, Joel Corey, David Wojcinski, Cameron Ling, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and after all these names Joel Selwood cream on top.

Chris Judd, Ben Cousins, Daniel Kerr, Michael Braun, Andrew Embley, Chad Fletcher, Adam Selwood and after all these names Matthew Priddis the cream on top.

Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell, Jordon Lewis, Chance Bateman, Shane Crawford, Brad Sewell, Grant Birchall and put in a Campbell Brown.

These group of players is what you call midfielders.

The players you mention doesn't even come on the same list. If you think those (highlighted) players will win you a premiership, just have to tell you this mate. You are dreaming...

Stanton, Winderlich and McVeigh can never get to the standard of Judd, Cousins, Mitchell, Hodge, Bartel and Ablett catergories. (They are all explosive midfielders who turn games in a 5 minute period). Maybe those three can be 5th, 6th and 7th choice. My god, you even had Pevrill in this group.

Watson is really good at clearances, Hislop and Houli can turn out to be anything. But Lovett and Dempey don't have the body to play out and out midfield position. Davey and Jetta don't have the body or the motor to play in the midfield. All four can be used as link players in burst. But that's about it.

I am not sure about Monfries, he lacks pace. I have a feeling Reimers will play a Mercury type of a role.

So who is our top four midfielders, who we can hope will takes us to a premiership? Hislop, Houli and Watson...we desperately need a couple more Palmer/Masten/Ebert to start off with.

Don't just put a group of hacks and say we have a lot of midfielders. WE NEED EXPLOSIVE RUNNING MIDFIELDERS, WITH A BIT OF SKILL.

(Sorry this midfield issue is really sensitive to me. Ever since that Bloody Bradley got picked up...).

You dont have to have an all star midfield to win a premiership. Just one that will work hard for each other. Sydney made two GF with infearior midfields to a number of sides in the comp.

And another one going on about the 2003 draft!!!!! So you think that Tenace and Watts would have been better than Bradley and Stanton ? becasue that is what we would have had if we went midfield first.
Bradley would have been a decent enough player if he was asked to play in a position he had never played in before. Rather than give him time to develop into a good half forward/winger we use him at CHB. On top of this becasue he shows a little form early we decide to play him on every gun forward around and completly destroy him. You can balme the coach for Bradley. He is the one ****ed him.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Jimmy Bartel, Gary Ablett Jnr, Joel Corey, David Wojcinski, Cameron Ling, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and after all these names Joel Selwood cream on top.

Lets see what do those guys have in common.. hmm 23+ and over 100 games each.

Most aren't quick and a few aren't even midfielders.

Prior to this year Ablett was considered a forward flanker and only averaged around 16 possessions.

Don't see your point as the Geelong side is made up of eveness instead of out and out quality.

Chris Judd, Ben Cousins, Daniel Kerr, Michael Braun, Andrew Embley, Chad Fletcher, Adam Selwood and after all these names Matthew Priddis the cream on top.

First two are gone so that makes their midfield look pretty shaky.

Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell, Jordon Lewis, Chance Bateman, Shane Crawford, Brad Sewell, Grant Birchall and put in a Campbell Brown.

Mitchell, Hodge, Bateman, Crawf bring a lot of experience and games to the table. Much more than our group.

Stanton, Winderlich and McVeigh can never get to the standard of Judd, Cousins, Mitchell, Hodge, Bartel and Ablett catergories. (They are all explosive midfielders who turn games in a 5 minute period). Maybe those three can be 5th, 6th and 7th choice. My god, you even had Pevrill in this group.

Not sure why you think this way. A few years ago Bartel was considered as trade bait and a bit one paced.

Ablett was only a good forward flanker prior to this year where he stepped up in the midfield.

Collingwood, North, Sydney and others have proved that you need a good even core of midfielders to be competitive and maybe even jag a flag like the swans

Watson is really good at clearances, Hislop and Houli can turn out to be anything. But Lovett and Dempey don't have the body to play out and out midfield position. Davey and Jetta don't have the body or the motor to play in the midfield. All four can be used as link players in burst. But that's about it.

You will find it a very rare case that a kid can come in and have a motor to play AFL midfield. It takes years to develop and in Abletts case it took 6 years.

I am not sure about Monfries, he lacks pace. I have a feeling Reimers will play a Mercury type of a role.

So does Bartel, Ling, Mitchell and a lot of midfielders that you mentioned above.

Heck you look at the Geelong side this year and there is not a lot of pace there.

So who is our top four midfielders, who we can hope will takes us to a premiership? Hislop, Houli and Watson...we desperately need a couple more Palmer/Masten/Ebert to start off with.

Watson, Stanton, Winderlich, McVeigh. The first 3 are on the verge of getting to the 23+ age and 100 games. That's where they play their best footy as Geelong showed this year.

Don't just put a group of hacks and say we have a lot of midfielders. WE NEED EXPLOSIVE RUNNING MIDFIELDERS, WITH A BIT OF SKILL.

Once again its not all about pace. See Geelong again.

The skill part I agree. We need improvement but we showed at the start fo the year when Winderlich, Stanton and a few kids got us rolling that we are getting to the required levels.

(Sorry this midfield issue is really sensitive to me. Ever since that Bloody Bradley got picked up...).

Bradley was best available at the time. I have no issues with the Bradley selection. Tenace was next and if you look at that draft it is a pretty poor one.

 

[The Donners]

Jimmy Bartel, Gary Ablett Jnr, Joel Corey, David Wojcinski, Cameron Ling, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and after all these names Joel Selwood cream on top.

Chris Judd, Ben Cousins, Daniel Kerr, Michael Braun, Andrew Embley, Chad Fletcher, Adam Selwood and after all these names Matthew Priddis the cream on top.

Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell, Jordon Lewis, Chance Bateman, Shane Crawford, Brad Sewell, Grant Birchall and put in a Campbell Brown.

These group of players is what you call midfielders.

The players you mention doesn't even come on the same list. If you think those (highlighted) players will win you a premiership, just have to tell you this mate. You are dreaming...

Stanton, Winderlich and McVeigh can never get to the standard of Judd, Cousins, Mitchell, Hodge, Bartel and Ablett catergories. (They are all explosive midfielders who turn games in a 5 minute period). Maybe those three can be 5th, 6th and 7th choice. My god, you even had Pevrill in this group.

Watson is really good at clearances, Hislop and Houli can turn out to be anything. But Lovett and Dempey don't have the body to play out and out midfield position. Davey and Jetta don't have the body or the motor to play in the midfield. All four can be used as link players in burst. But that's about it.

I am not sure about Monfries, he lacks pace. I have a feeling Reimers will play a Mercury type of a role.

So who is our top four midfielders, who we can hope will takes us to a premiership? Hislop, Houli and Watson...we desperately need a couple more Palmer/Masten/Ebert to start off with.

Don't just put a group of hacks and say we have a lot of midfielders. WE NEED EXPLOSIVE RUNNING MIDFIELDERS, WITH A BIT OF SKILL.

(Sorry this midfield issue is really sensitive to me. Ever since that Bloody Bradley got picked up...).

Those highlighted up the top are midfielders and easily beat Essendon's current midfield of Watson, Stanton, Peverill, Lovett etc. (I'm not including players who have done NOTHING yet!).

The highlighted part below that... all true!

Since when does Monfries lack pace? He lacks size! He is only 20! He'll be an out and out star!!!

As for the rest you've mentioned from other teams, they don't play midfield. As for the other Essendon players you've mentioned, they've done NOTHING!

 

[Burzum]

I don't get why Monfries lack of pace is a big issue. If he can get the ball and use it well, it will make up for it.

 

[TheDon35]

I don't get why Monfries lack of pace is a big issue. If he can get the ball and use it well, it will make up for it.

What happens when we don't have the ball??? you need to be able to find a player quickly.

Same problem with Watson. Great when we've got it, or in Watson's case winning it. Problem is we have no complete players.... or players anywhere near complete playing in our midfield. This is why we've finished bottom handful for the past few years.

I'm confident, Houli and Hislop will turn into complete midfield players and am also confident that Dempsey, Jetta and to a lesser extent Reimers will have enough positives to become bloody good players for the dons.

Don't get me wrong, I like Monfries, but that is a small issue.

 

[Longy413]

I don't get why Monfries lack of pace is a big issue. If he can get the ball and use it well, it will make up for it.

I don't reckon he lacks pace either.

He's not slow, he just doesn't have burst speed.

Bartel is no quicker.

 

[whirl]

Freo had a priority pick which they traded to Essendon in return for Todd Ridley, Dale Kickett et al.

Which uncontracted playter did Essendon lose? We offloaded a pack of duds.

Delaney was another I think.

I don't recall which of that group was the actual uncontracted player, but that whole group was part of the deal. An uncontracted player that gets us into the special draft, plus the don't recruit anyone from a club lower on the ladder sweetener at the trade table. If Freo had of grabbed anyone from a club below us as an uncontracted player that club would have got the first pick and we the second, but Freo itself did not have access to that draft. It certainly wasn't a priority pick as such, the 16 year old draft wasn't even held on the same day as the National Draft.

Though I think I may have to take back what I said about pick 4, that simply may have been the pick we got for finishing where we did.

edit: just seen windy's post, that's right, they ended up with David McEwen because Geelong also got in there as well.

1995 Pre-Season Draft
Compensation Picks (losing an uncontracted player)
1. Mathew Lloyd Essendon Western (U18)
2. Adam Houlihan Geelong Murray (U18)
3. Steven King Geelong Murray (U18)
4. David McEwan Hawthorn Northern (U18)
5. David ****.-Collins Melbourne Port Adelaide
6. Stuart Cochrane North Melbourne Central Districts
7. Chad Morrison West Coast Southern (U18)

 

[GoldenboyHird_5]

Can we stop this 'BASH Monfires' season that we alsoseem to have

Leave the kid alone until next year and see what he does

He's only 20 people!