'AFL Discretion'

[QPower]

Given our results over the last 5 years it is a bit of a no brainer we'll get a first round PP if the AFL are serious about an even comp in the same way the Hawks, Collingwood, St Kilda, Melbourne, Carlton and the WB have had when they were at the bottom like we are now.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

If we win 7 games, playing the old spuds that we currently have in the side, it would be an absolute disaster. We NEED top-end talent. The Dees have their compo pick as well, so we will drop down another slot.

I would like to point out that whilst it may be 'admirable' to not tank, the best 2 teams in the league right now have elite players as a result of tanking. Winning the spoon is another story entirely though.

You play to win. We are not going to get rid of 15 players at the end of the year. We also have a shit load of injuries. You play the best available side. If "old spuds" are out of form they don't play. Losing to the GWS and Melbourne will be a disaster and do more harm than good. If we win those 2 then you play to win to beat Brisbane and you play to upset Richmond if they are playing for a finals birth in Rd 23. Imagine the benefit the group gets if they knock off Richmond in a 4 quarter effort at the MCG and Richmond are playing for 8th spot. And if Chaplin plays a boomer and Richmond are interested in him then his trade value goes up as a by product.

A theoritcal good pick is meaningless until you have a player that the recruiters don't **** up and is a genuine top pick. Winning 7 games probably means we get pick 6 instead of pick 4. I don't trust the AFL to give us a decent priority pick. If you don't know what the pick is, why would you tank for an unkown? Carlton tanked for Kruezer not a maybe.

 

[Gillian Batty]

The landscape of the game has changed with the 2 new teams coming in and everyone has been beating up on them so I understand the AFL scrapping the old PP system.

I didn't really make this thread to discuss whether we should tank or not. I would just like to know what 'AFL's discretion' means and whether we would meet the requirements they would be looking for to hand out a PP. I think GC and GWS being anchored to the foot of the ladder is good for us in terms of getting one.

If we continue to play like we did on Saturday night, then we will not beat Melbourne.

 

[ploppy]

We should be making a case to the afl right now saying we have been down the bottom 3 years in a row and hardly got within cooee of any of the elite talent with all the gc,gws conessions. how about some picks or your killing port.

 

[S.Patrol.G]

Given our results over the last 5 years it is a bit of a no brainer we'll get a first round PP if the AFL are serious about an even comp in the same way the Hawks, Collingwood, St Kilda, Melbourne, Carlton and the WB have had when they were at the bottom like we are now.

Th fixture shows this is of no concern to the AFL. The AFL are serious about a profitable competition. They can achieve this without providing Port with a PP. I expect we'll get zilch.

As for the OP- it's a stretch to expect any of us know what constitutes "AFL discretion" when they haven't even decided.

 

[QPower]

Th fixture shows this is of no concern to the AFL. The AFL are serious about a profitable competition. They can achieve this without providing Port with a PP. I expect we'll get zilch.

As for the OP- it's a stretch to expect any of us know what constitutes "AFL discretion" when they haven't even decided.

Well then hopefully they prefer giving us a PP rather than an annual $3m bailout.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The landscape of the game has changed with the 2 new teams coming in and everyone has been beating up on them so I understand the AFL scrapping the old PP system.

I didn't really make this thread to discuss whether we should tank or not. I would just like to know what 'AFL's discretion' means and whether we would meet the requirements they would be looking for to hand out a PP. I think GC and GWS being anchored to the foot of the ladder is good for us in terms of getting one.

If we continue to play like we did on Saturday night, then we will not beat Melbourne.

No one on here knows what the AFL are going to do. I suspect the AFL don't at this stage. They will make it up after the home and away is finished so that nobody tries to tank to take advantage of the new formula.

We played discgracefully shit footy Rd 20, 21 and the first quarter of Rd 22 last year. Add up the margins of those 9 quarters and its probably an AFL record. As bad as we have been since the Carlton we haven't been as bad as those 9 quarters. We turned it around and the next 11 quarters of 2011 and we were more than competitive. We have to do the same thing this year and worry about the PP after the season is completed.

 

[Waspy79]

This. If we win another game then under the old system we wouldn't get a pick but under the new system we still might, and if we don't win another game then surely 'AFL discretion' will lead to us getting a priority pick, because that would mean we'd lost to Melbourne, GWS and Brisbane at home.

Winning 5 games despite statistically having the 3rd hardest draw and given our mid-season injury run will not help us secure a priority pick. I doubt we will get one.

 

[Comettski_1]

You play to win. We are not going to get rid of 15 players at the end of the year. We also have a shit load of injuries. You play the best available side. If "old spuds" are out of form they don't play. Losing to the GWS and Melbourne will be a disaster and do more harm than good. If we win those 2 then you play to win to beat Brisbane and you play to upset Richmond if they are playing for a finals birth in Rd 23. Imagine the benefit the group gets if they knock off Richmond in a 4 quarter effort at the MCG and Richmond are playing for 8th spot. And if Chaplin plays a boomer and Richmond are interested in him then his trade value goes up as a by product.

A theoritcal good pick is meaningless until you have a player that the recruiters don't **** up and is a genuine top pick. Winning 7 games probably means we get pick 6 instead of pick 4. I don't trust the AFL to give us a decent priority pick. If you don't know what the pick is, why would you tank for an unkown? Carlton tanked for Kruezer not a maybe.

Disagree with this mentality - in 5 years who remembers beating a few dud teams to make a whopping 6-7 wins in a season. In 5 years if we have *insert name of any gun top ten draft pick* Mk 2 running around with 80 plus games under his belt that's what matters (unless you've tanked in which case sh*t's weak)

However I agree with the second bold bit - our ability to develop players is woeful - clone a hybrid of Fos and Russell in a lab and we'd turn that little bastard child into a hack in no time.

 

[Andre]

Well then hopefully they prefer giving us a PP rather than an annual $3m bailout.

$3m a year is chump change to how much more TV rights are worth with the likes of Collingwood, Carlton, Hawthorn etc. likely to be in finals action over a 5 year TV deal. The AFL is 100 times better for us as a club than the SANFL, but never mistake that for them giving one-fifth of **** all about us outside of first and foremost maximising their revenue (and KPI's) and secondly getting good press of being a strong competition Australia wide to beat up on Rugby and Soccer.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Winning 5 games despite statistically having the 3rd hardest draw and given our mid-season injury run will not help us secure a priority pick. I doubt we will get one.

We probably wouldn't, but it's better than the old system in which we definitely wouldn't.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Disagree with this mentality - in 5 years who remembers beating a few dud teams to make a whopping 6-7 wins in a season. In 5 years if we have *insert name of any gun top ten draft pick* Mk 2 running around with 80 plus games under his belt that's what matters (unless you've tanked in which case sh*t's weak)

However I agree with the second bold bit - our ability to develop players is woeful - clone a hybrid of Fos and Russell in a lab and we'd turn that little bastard child into a hack in no time.

You answered your own question somewhat. 3 extra wins is the differerence between pick 6 and pick 4. If this is another Superdraft there will be very little difference between picks 4 and 6. We have no idea what the AFL formula will reward us with - if anything at all. I want wins over a maybe.

There are a whole lot of kids who are borderline Port supporters. Get well beaten by the GWS and we might lose them for life because they get teased about being Port supporters and we are hopless and can't beat a bunch of kids. Lose to the GWS and our crowds and membership might drop away by 3,000 and there is a cost of less revenue coming in which means less ability to do things. Keep losing $3mil a year before grants means and we might not be around in 5 years time to see that kid play 80 games for us.

 

[tribey]

You answered your own question somewhat. 3 extra wins is the differerence between pick 6 and pick 4. If this is another Superdraft there will be very little difference between picks 4 and 6. We have no idea what the AFL formula will reward us with - if anything at all. I want wins over a maybe.

There are a whole lot of kids who are borderline Port supporters. Get well beaten by the GWS and we might lose them for life because they get teased about being Port supporters and we are hopless and can't beat a bunch of kids. Lose to the GWS and our crowds and membership might drop away by 3,000 and there is a cost of less revenue coming in which means less ability to do things. Keep losing $3mil a year before grants means and we might not be around in 5 years time to see that kid play 80 games for us.

I'm leaning towards your thinking, REH. I remember in the aftermath of the Gold Coast debacle last year my Facebook feed lit up with snide/negative/stacks-on comments from friends and acquaintances of mine who don't even follow football in the slightest.

If we were to lose to GWS - with Williams, Cornes and Brogan front and square in the subsequent celebrations - it would be a short, medium and long-term disaster of Hiroshima proportions.

 

[Powerade 08]

We already have Boak, Gray, Hartlett, Butcher, Moore, Wingard, Broadbent, Ebert, Pittard, Trengove, Carlile, pick 6 this year + more.

 

[Zahara]

We picked the absolute worst time to be playing like schoolgirls. GC took our picks. Happy to have taken Wingard, though.

We already have Boak, Gray, Hartlett, Butcher, Moore, Wingard, Broadbent, Ebert, Pittard, Trengove, Carlile, pick 6 this year + more.

How many of them consistently play well and hardly get injured?

 

[Puddy]

If we were to lose to GWS - with Williams, Cornes and Brogan front and square in the subsequent celebrations - it would be a short, medium and long-term disaster of Hiroshima proportions.

It would almost be the end of our club, and it would be our own fault

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

As I've said somewhere else, the games won against new clubs shouldn't count this year, when determining priority pick qualification. Cos they are easy beats and do not reflect where a club is at. If they didn't exist we would be second bottom on 3 wins. That's the true reflection.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I'd love a PP even with 7 wins but i'd prefer 7 wins and no PP than 4 wins and a PP.

What will be awful is if Melbourne somehow get one when they've already got 3 picks inside the top 12 or whatever it is.

You'd think there would be no way in hell GC or GWS will get one given what they've already had.

We are the only team who wouldn't be undeserving if we got one.

 

[philthy05]

we definitely dont need to try to lose games. we will have a hard enough time winning as is and part of our young guys development will be able to get out of a slump and start winning.

 

[FishingRick04]

we definitely dont need to try to lose games. we will have a hard enough time winning as is and part of our young guys development will be able to get out of a slump and start winning.

The problem is that our senior players are inept and getting the odd token win isn't going to help us as a club going forward.

I know most of us our too proud to tank, but I would play the young kids. Ditch the old serial under performers and if we don't win another game so be it! That means Redden and Lobbe play out the season. Newton Ahchee, Pttard etc come in, Moore stays in.

We need an extra draft PP moreso than two more wins IMO. This is crucial too us (This is all based on the assumption we will get one)

If that enabled us to get for example Stringer and Toumpas and a shot of Kennedy it's too good to pass.

 

[tryonthis]

If that enabled us to get for example Stringer and Toumpas and a shot of Kennedy it's too good to pass.

I agree. Short-term pain for long-term gain.

 

[philthy05]

its all a balance.

if there is a guy in the 22 who isnt performing consistantly well, and there is a young player that may be ready to step up than i dont have a problem giving them a run.

but you also just dont ditch every average player for any kid on your list. thats a good way to lose all respect, even with-in the club.

so its a bit of balance really.

to be honest i think in one way we are so far away but in another we are so close.

the passing of time, with a structured program can see us develop into a good side with these kids we have.

 

[Freomaniac]

Remember when the AFL concocted a reason to give Fremantle pick #5 in 1999 as compensation for trading Jeff White two years before? Hilarious. They effectively got more for White than West Coast did for Judd.

If the AFL want to give us the pick, there is no rule or reason to stop them except not wanting to.

Funny you mentioned that.... Jeff White was the number 1 pick in the 1994 draft (one of the rare high draft picks freo didnt trade if you dont mind). Funny How Freo also got picks 2 and 4 for finishing with 15th with 5 wins. So Freo had picks 2,4 and 5 in the 1999 draft. So who did Freo get with those Picks?

Pick 2: Paul Hasleby

Pick 4: Matthew Pavlich

Pick 5: Leigh Brown.

Since your mob is on 4 wins... You guys could win another 2-4 games potientially getting 6-8 wins considering its better than last season when you got 3 wins.

Still as bad as it is for Port Now, you guys should bounce back up the ladder very quickly and heres my reasons why...

1. Lets say Port get 6 wins and get 15th spot and finish above Giants, Suns and Demons. What would be the best pick? Pick 7 or 8?

2.Travis boak. Say if Boak leaves and does head to Geelong. Would it be Fair if the cats offered their 1st round pick and one of their players?

3. GWS. The giants still havent pinched an uncontracted player from Port. they gave you guys picks 48 and 69 for Chad cornes and Dean Brogan. Say if Danyle Pearce signs with GWS. Under the compo rule, wouldnt you guys get a mid to late 1st round pick around pick 15?



So potientially Port Could have 3 1st round picks and get the players they need to grab the players you need. So on the bright side things should get better.

 

[FishingRick04]

Cats pick is what 11? Lose for Boak
Pearce 15

so we get 7 11 and 15?

Not good enough, we need the top end where it's less speculative. We can't be trusted with mid teen picks.

For all their failing Pearce and Boak are worth top 10 picks IMO

 

[Freomaniac]

You answered your own question somewhat. 3 extra wins is the differerence between pick 6 and pick 4. If this is another Superdraft there will be very little difference between picks 4 and 6. We have no idea what the AFL formula will reward us with - if anything at all. I want wins over a maybe.

There are a whole lot of kids who are borderline Port supporters. Get well beaten by the GWS and we might lose them for life because they get teased about being Port supporters and we are hopless and can't beat a bunch of kids. Lose to the GWS and our crowds and membership might drop away by 3,000 and there is a cost of less revenue coming in which means less ability to do things. Keep losing $3mil a year before grants means and we might not be around in 5 years time to see that kid play 80 games for us.

Hahahaha dont be so dramatic. Dude Im a Freo fan and Fremantle have only played finals 3 times in 18 seasons..Richmond has made finals only twice since 1982 and they have lots of fans. Freo get 30,000 people at their home games in a stadium thats more Horrible than AAMI. at least with AAMI stadium you got 51,515 sets compared to subiacos 43,000 seats.


As I said Port will be around for a few years yet...