Recruiting AFL Draft Watch 2024 - Check out our haul

[Nuggs Bunny]

All over for this year!

Check out our new picks from the draft:
Pick #13 (matched): Isaac Kako - Small Forward, Calder Cannons
Pick #37: Kayle Gerreyn - Ruck/Forward, West Perth
Pick #39: Angus Clarke - Defender, Glenelg
Pick #61: Rhys Unwin - Small Forward, Greater Western Victoria
Pick #70: Zak Johnson - Midfielder, Northern Knights
Pick #6 RD: Archer Day-Lewis - Forward, Bendigo Pioneers
Cat B Rookie: Jayden Nguyen - Defender, Calder Cannons

 

[eth-dog]

Unpopular opinion but the very real possibility of losing at least two is very real. If Vigo is more a fwd than he is a ruck then that adds more questions to the ruck order.

Why wouldn't we feasibly add to the depth, it's not like they will come in and play from round 1, 2025 anyway. Would be 2 years away and by that stage Goldstein is gone, we should be rubber stamped with/without Bryan and who knows if Drapers head is turned if you put enough 0000's behind a number.

Can argue all you like about how many rucks a club has, each one is unique, even ours. How many have 3 capable, AFL ready number 1 rucks on the list?

Losing two at the end of the year next year is easy to replace. None of us think it's no chance, in fact most of us think it's close to a monty. However you're either drafting:

1. A mature ager who will be fourth in line and likely get very few minutes in the VFL
2. A kid who will get very few minutes in the VFL

So it's really no benefit to us or to them. And at the end of next year we can draft Crossley or Flockhart or Cooper Keogh or any of them.

As far as the last question, it's us, Freo and Geelong. We don't need the ruck. In fact there's an argument that we're too ruck heavy.

 

[Keystone agony]

There is no point drafting an 18 yr old kid thats a ruck

Goldstein will not play many games at all next year if we got a ruck in, i hardly think thats the plan either way

Vigo is still quite skinny isnt he?

It isnt about 2025, its about 2026 when we dont have a contracted ruck. Tell me which other club is like that... maybe Adelaide (Which is even a bigger concern) and thats it

2025 has already been said to be a year of step back

Why put yourself in a position where you can be held to ransom

Worst case scenario you bring in a dirt cheap ruck, everyone stays and hes the R3 in 2026 and pretty much the same in 2025 with Goldstein coaching

Im also not wedded to a ruck. I said in the opening statement id prefer Reef Mcinness over him if available

 

[dank420_]

I think you’re missing the point Keystone agony

You can recruit your 4th ruck. Just not ****ing Preuss

 

[Duckworth]

1. Most of the guys i mentioned have been picked up in the trade period

2. The reality is were going to be picking up atleast 1 delisting, its hard to not see that being the case, although im all gor throwing several late darts in an apparent deep draft to the experts

3. A backup ruck is someone that can hold down the fort for 8-12 weeks straight if need be. Cox cant do that

4. A 3rd ruck would be needed in 2026

1. I don't hate myself enough to go through your posting history to form a case against it.
2. We agree
3. So Wright is backup, not Cox. Can live with that.
4. The actual thing we were talking about. List spots are so tight, is why it won't happen. We don't get another year to see if Davey would have worked, Ditto Baldwin, Ditto Hunter, Ditto Wanganeen. We can't even fit Stringer in the list. For these reasons, I tell you we will not waste a list spot in 2025 for a 4th ruck in Preuss, so that he can be a backup in the VFL in 2026.

It's been a week, and I'm still replying to this argument. Maybe I do hate myself...

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[Keystone agony]

I think you’re missing the point Keystone agony

You can recruit your 4th ruck. Just not ****ing Preuss

As i said at the very start. Doesnt have to necessarily be Preuss

 

[Keystone agony]

1. I don't hate myself enough to go through your posting history to form a case against it.
2. We agree
3. So Wright is backup, not Cox. Can live with that.
4. The actual thing we were talking about. List spots are so tight, is why it won't happen. We don't get another year to see if Davey would have worked, Ditto Baldwin, Ditto Hunter, Ditto Wanganeen. We can't even fit Stringer in the list. For these reasons, I tell you we will not waste a list spot in 2025 for a 4th ruck in Preuss, so that he can be a backup in the VFL in 2026.

It's been a week, and I'm still replying to this argument. Maybe I do hate myself...

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Joe Richards
Harry Sharp
Finn Maginness
Kreuger
Reef Mcinness
Kostanty
Prior
Peatling
Cumming
Perryman
Preuss
Harry Morrison

Have been the guys ive mentioned

Your probably right with tight list spots, although theyre not that tight for us. We have 7 spots available. We will likely get ROB or Soldo in 12 months time if Draper leaves, lets just hope Bryan has signed by then

 

[eth-dog]

There is no point drafting an 18 yr old kid thats a ruck

Goldstein will not play many games at all next year if we got a ruck in, i hardly think thats the plan either way

Vigo is still quite skinny isnt he?

It isnt about 2025, its about 2026 when we dont have a contracted ruck. Tell me which other club is like that... maybe Adelaide (Which is even a bigger concern) and thats it

2025 has already been said to be a year of step back

Why put yourself in a position where you can be held to ransom

Worst case scenario you bring in a dirt cheap ruck, everyone stays and hes the R3 in 2026 and pretty much the same in 2025 with Goldstein coaching

Im also not wedded to a ruck. I said in the opening statement id prefer Reef Mcinness over him if available

There's no point in doing it, period.

You want to waste a list spot on a mature ruck that we don't need for next year. If both Draper and Bryan leave (which is extremely unlikely) then we will be able to bring in someone like Soldo or Reidy or whoever via trade. If only one leaves we can still draft a mature aged ruck next year. There are plenty in the VFL if needed.

It's beyond stupid. If there's one position that we.should have crossed off the list for this draft it's a ruck.

 

[faible]

There is no point drafting an 18 yr old kid thats a ruck

Goldstein will not play many games at all next year if we got a ruck in, i hardly think thats the plan either way

Vigo is still quite skinny isnt he?

It isnt about 2025, its about 2026 when we dont have a contracted ruck. Tell me which other club is like that... maybe Adelaide (Which is even a bigger concern) and thats it

2025 has already been said to be a year of step back

Why put yourself in a position where you can be held to ransom

Worst case scenario you bring in a dirt cheap ruck, everyone stays and hes the R3 in 2026 and pretty much the same in 2025 with Goldstein coaching

Im also not wedded to a ruck. I said in the opening statement id prefer Reef Mcinness over him if available

Finding a ruck is easy.

If for some strange reason both Bryan and Draper left, which makes little sense for their careers, then you'd just trade in whoever's got a 2nd ruckman crying out for game-time.

There's no reason whatsoever to bring in a mature ruck this year, and give them a 2 year contract, because maybe, possibly, perhaps, next year two ruckmen might leave.

 

[King Patty]

The lack of a market for Grundy leaving pies and leaving Dees showed how little of a market there is for rucks.
If Draper left as a free agent AFL probably only give us a second rounder.
Would be hard for Crows to be paying him a massive salary given the issue pies/Dees had with Grundys salary.
Getting in a number 2 ruck is usually easy enough, Port brought in Soldo last year and another.

 

[Keystone agony]

The lack of a market for Grundy leaving pies and leaving Dees showed how little of a market there is for rucks.
If Draper left as a free agent AFL probably only give us a second rounder.
Would be hard for Crows to be paying him a massive salary given the issue pies/Dees had with Grundys salary.
Getting in a number 2 ruck is usually easy enough, Port brought in Soldo last year and another.

Port had to give up 2 x 2nd rounders and a F4 for Soldo

Such was their desperation. Bet they wish they had those picks now for this draft

But my preference has always been a 5th late dart in the draft, Reef Mcinness if delisted over Preuss. I can just see an avenue there where it makes sense seeing as Rosa has said 4 picks which would very likely mean 2 DFAs

 

[Zach Package]

The lack of a market for Grundy leaving pies and leaving Dees showed how little of a market there is for rucks.
If Draper left as a free agent AFL probably only give us a second rounder.
Would be hard for Crows to be paying him a massive salary given the issue pies/Dees had with Grundys salary.
Getting in a number 2 ruck is usually easy enough, Port brought in Soldo last year and another.

The market for ruckman and what we would get for Draper as compensation have little to do with each other.

 

[ant555]

 

[King Patty]

The market for ruckman and what we would get for Draper as compensation have little to do with each other.

I Can't see Draper leaving eprsonally, but Imagine AFL love any chance to screw us, they were raising queries over Daniher being worth a first rounder. in compensation...and then you have the McKay and Battle compensation, who were lesser players and less fan fare from afl media.

 

[faible]

I Can't see Draper leaving eprsonally, but Imagine AFL love any chance to screw us, they were raising queries over Daniher being worth a first rounder. in compensation...and then you have the McKay and Battle compensation, who were lesser players and less fan fare from afl media.

Quality of player and 'media fanfare' aren't part of the Free Agency Compensation Calculations.

 

[Call Me Cake]

I Can't see Draper leaving eprsonally, but Imagine AFL love any chance to screw us, they were raising queries over Daniher being worth a first rounder. in compensation...and then you have the McKay and Battle compensation, who were lesser players and less fan fare from afl media.

They're not worth it but if a club is willing to pay the amount that triggers it - usually as a response to wanting to beat other clubs to them, including the original club - then in that case it's something called supply and demand, and so be it.

 

[Keystone agony]

They're not worth it but if a club is willing to pay the amount that triggers it - usually as a response to wanting to beat other clubs to them, including the original club - then in that case it's something called supply and demand, and so be it.

Comes back to the thresholds needing to be severly increased based on Perryman and Battle recieving the highest compensation

Because its essentially buying draft picks aswell. You get the player but keep your draft hand whereas in trade that is not the case

 

[Call Me Cake]

Comes back to the thresholds needing to be severly increased based on Perryman and Battle recieving the highest compensation

Because its essentially buying draft picks aswell. You get the player but keep your draft hand whereas in trade that is not the case

Disagree. You'll get elite players like Daicos early on getting 1.1 mill for example but because you increased the threshold if he leaves the club is compensated with Band 2.

These players you mentioned wouldn't be getting such payments if one, the clubs wanting them weren't in the midst of scarcity when it came to FA's, and/or if said players weren't rated more by them as important to their team's future, and/or if the hunting teams in question didn't manage their cap strategically enough until then to fit it.

The compensations you saw were not the result of the players but the circumstantual environment that bred it. It is much easier to base it on the circumstance and hence allow the teams to deal in that temporary situation as the survival of the fittest, rather than changing everything and running the risk of having clubs be sucked dry of their stars even when they're paid what they're relatively worth at the time just because some clubs threw absurd amounts of money to get a foot in a competitive situation a few or so years ago.

 

[Keystone agony]

Disagree. You'll get elite players like Daicos early on getting 1.1 mill for example but because you increased the threshold the club is compensated with Band 2.

These players you mentioned wouldn't be getting such payments if one, the clubs wanting them weren't in the midst of scarcity when it came to FA's, and/or if said players weren't rated more by them as possible game changers to their team's future (and hence the payments), and/or if the hunting teams in question didn't manage their cap strategically enough until then to fit it.

The compensations you saw were not the result of the players but the circumstantual environment that bred it. It is much easier to base it on the circumstance and hence allow the teams to deal in that temporary situation as the survival of the fittest, rather than changing everything and running the risk of having clubs be sucked dry of their stars even when they're paid what they're relatively worth at the time just because some clubs threw absurd amounts of money to get a foot in a competitive situation a few or so years ago.

Naicos is already getting his 1.1

If he leaves he is leaving for significantly more

Im not sure exactly what youve said above, seems a whole lot of ramble that doesnt really mean anything?

But clubs are overypaying for players because they get them for free from a draft capital perspective ie keep draft hand. Free agents are super important because they give you greater chance to win for the now but dont compromise the future as elite talent can still be drafted

A fair bit of the issue is also the signifcant increase in player payments from 2024 onwards. So what a player is paid in these 6 year deals ie till 2030 is being compared to contracts that started in ~2020. The markets are completely different to determining the 5% as the start and end of a contract can be 10 years apart in which TPP have signifcantly stepped up over this time

I can assure that neither Perryman or Battle in 2030 or 2031 whichever is there last year of contract will be in the top 5% by then

I just think some adjusting of the numbers needs to occur to the secret 'herbs and spices' because most football fans certainly dont consider Battle or Perryman in the top 5% of players

 

[eaglevision]

Just wondering what Bombers fans see the club doing with pick 28 and 31 this year. Likely to have plenty of points for Kako so are you looking to shift those picks into next year or somehow get an early selection after a Kako bid goes though? Hope you guys have an injury free offseason, particularly for the elder brother of one of our players.

 

[Vindicater]

Just wondering what Bombers fans see the club doing with pick 28 and 31 this year. Likely to have plenty of points for Kako so are you looking to shift those picks into next year or somehow get an early selection after a Kako bid goes though? Hope you guys have an injury free offseason, particularly for the elder brother of one of our players.

I think we will likely look to shift them into future picks at first. Then potentially use our group of future picks to move back into this draft after the Kako bid.

 

[eaglevision]

I think we will likely look to shift them into future picks at first. Then potentially use our group of future picks to move back into this draft after the Kako bid.

What sort of level of the draft were you thinking? Saw a nice trade between our clubs that gets you back into the draft at 26 but is that lower than you’d hoped? Apart from North (which is understandable) and our total stupidity with pick 3 teams are generally valuing their top picks pretty highly this year. Those later picks you’d need to match the bid if you traded 28, 31 out before a bid was matched.

 

[boncer34]

What sort of level of the draft were you thinking? Saw a nice trade between our clubs that gets you back into the draft at 26 but is that lower than you’d hoped? Apart from North (which is understandable) and our total stupidity with pick 3 teams are generally valuing their top picks pretty highly this year. Those later picks you’d need to match the bid if you traded 28, 31 out before a bid was matched.

Yes a 2 pick upgrade is lower than what we hope.

 

[eth-dog]

Just wondering what Bombers fans see the club doing with pick 28 and 31 this year. Likely to have plenty of points for Kako so are you looking to shift those picks into next year or somehow get an early selection after a Kako bid goes though? Hope you guys have an injury free offseason, particularly for the elder brother of one of our players.

I think we try to combine them into a likely late F1 and then use that to trade back into the first round. Or something like that. Ideally one of these:

1: Trade 28/31 to GC for Pies/Port F1 and 51 then trade that F1 to Richmond/GWS/Sydney at the back end of the first round.
2: Trade 31 and F2 to GC for same pick. Trade 28 for F2 and F3 for anyone who wants back in. Trade same pick into a late first.

 

[eaglevision]

I think we try to combine them into a likely late F1 and then use that to trade back into the first round. Or something like that. Ideally one of these:

1: Trade 28/31 to GC for Pies/Port F1 and 51 then trade that F1 to Richmond/GWS/Sydney at the back end of the first round.
2: Trade 31 and F2 to GC for same pick. Trade 28 for F2 and F3 for anyone who wants back in. Trade same pick into a late first.

I think Richmond’s pick 23 and 24 could be for sale to the highest bidder which would no doubt have to include a F1. Maybe GWS and Swans pick 21 and 22. Can’t see GCS trading out their F1s when they have enough points this year and their NGAs next year needing a lot of points.

Obviously you guys will just take the best deal but if there’s no takers before our pick 26 there’s a bit to work with there if you’re looking to get back into the early second round. Having Matty Rosa pulling the strings is helpful too.

 

[Agronomus]

Makes you wonder what position some of these guys would play now if they'd grown up in this era.
Gary Ablett Sr 185cm
Glenn Archer 182cm
Dermott Brereton 186cm
Wayne Carey 192cm
Terry Daniher 188cm
Jason Dunstall 188cm
Ross Glendinning 188cm
Tony Lockett 191cm
Tony Modra 188cm
Paul Roos 188cm
Stephen Silvagni 191cm

Steph Wales is 188cm. Same height as John Nicholls