Recruiting AFL Draft Watch 2024 - What do we do, we have a top 10 pick?

[Red Black and Blue]

How does Rosa have strong links with Bo Allen?

Peel thunder.

 

[mIKe9441]

I reckon it’s quite plausible we trade up to 3 with 9 and our future first and select Tauru.

Tauru at 3. Yuck

 

[Donflicted]

Against trading back if Saints are going to bid Trade our Future first and Pick 9 and move ahead

This is a deep draft someone around the 1-5 mark could go number one in any other year if we want someone next year we can trade futures to get back in like Melb

 

[jdstorm]

Against trading back if Saints are going to bid Trade our Future first and Pick 9 and move ahead

This is a deep draft someone around the 1-5 mark could go number one in any other year if we want someone next year we can trade futures to get back in like Melb

That’s not what they are saying at all Deep means lots of good players.

Most people are saying there aren’t any stars in this draft as good as Harley Reid ect

 

[ant555]

How does Rosa have strong links with Bo Allen?

He is a Peel Thunder junior and Rosa was the GM of football operations at Peel so he would have known about Allen in the junior pathways.

 

[Donflicted]

That’s not what they are saying at all Deep means lots of good players.

Most people are saying there aren’t any stars in this draft as good as Harley Reid ect

I respect most of your views on here tbh this isnt a go at you or anything

We should be aiming to walk away with 2 first rounders and Jayden N and then maybe some late sliders

 

[jdstorm]

I respect most of your views on here tbh this isnt a go at you or anything

We should be aiming to walk away with 2 first rounders and Jayden N and then maybe some late sliders

For sure

Deep = good players up to 30 maybe more. That’s why every team is trying to get a top 30 pick.

What complicates things is Kako. Because getting FS/NGA players for cheap via bid matching is a huge advantage that’s going away. So gotta take advantage of it while we can.

So ideally we’d like to take our first get a player at 10/11 and then match Kako with meaningless points. Getting 2 first rounders for the price of 1.

Problem is other teams know this and know we lose our FRP aka free FRP if we have to match Kako before our first is used…

So right now we’re hoping that Kako slides past our pick and we get a 2nd player….

The tricky thing is what happens if a bid comes on Kako before our pick by either Melbourne or St kilda

That where most of the hand wringing is

 

[Chief Hopper]

Looking at the Saints dire forum, they're going on as if our pick 9 is already a done deal in their hands.

Do we really need Kako right now? I dont think any fwd would have done any good with the awful supply our mids were kicking to them. Hawks got their Wizard on top of an impressive looking young midfield list. Not something I think we can compare to as yet.

And trade radio seems to suggest every man and his dog are trying to get into this draft, nothing about teams wanting future pics.
Maybe if we had a stash of F1, we could cobble that together for a Harley Reid pic, maybe I could see the point.

 

[ghostdog]

Everyone wants us to have a pick before a Kako bid comes in. We're simply saying that if a bid comes in before our pick, we're better off live trading our pick into next year so we can still have three first round picks over this year and next year.

It's not that strong at the pointy end, it's the depth that is impressive. A lot of people have Lalor as the best, or Smith, or Hotton, or FOS. Yet if Dyson Sharp was available now, nearly all recruiters would take him.

Okay, so there's a reason I try not to involve myself in this stuff.

Why wouldn't we try to turn 9 into 15 and 16 if we match a bid for Kako, if this is such a deep draft.

Or, given we don't know the quality of next year's draft, play it safe by trading up in this draft, F1 + 9 for 2 or 3, to get ahead of the Kako bid?

 

[eth-dog]

Okay, so there's a reason I try not to involve myself in this stuff.

Why wouldn't we try to turn 9 into 15 and 16 if we match a bid for Kako, if this is such a deep draft.

Or, given we don't know the quality of next year's draft, play it safe by trading up in this draft, F1 + 9 for 2 or 3, to get ahead of the Kako bid?

Okay. If a bid for Kako comes in before 9 and we trade in 15 and 16 we will need to use those to match the bid. If we trade up, it also defeats the point of having three first round picks in 2 years.

Essentially, our best bet is to sit on it and wait. If a bid comes, we trade into next year. If it doesn't, we take a player and match after.

 

[Keystone agony]

How does Rosa have strong links with Bo Allen?

Both were at Peel Thunder

 

[Skipper_]

Okay. If a bid for Kako comes in before 9 and we trade in 15 and 16 we will need to use those to match the bid. If we trade up, it also defeats the point of having three first round picks in 2 years.

Essentially, our best bet is to sit on it and wait. If a bid comes, we trade into next year. If it doesn't, we take a player and match after.

Or we proactively trade up to get in front of a potential bid and take a selection this year.

But I do agree that the best call is to keep our pick for the time being as the best offers will likely come on draft night.

 

[Keystone agony]

Or we proactively trade up to get in front of a potential bid and take a selection this year.

But I do agree that the best call is to keep our pick for the time being as the best offers will likely come on draft night.

but it might be pointless and there is a chance that our guy could be there at 9 as much as they could be there at 3

It also cost our F1

 

[Old Campaigner]

Okay, so there's a reason I try not to involve myself in this stuff.

Why wouldn't we try to turn 9 into 15 and 16 if we match a bid for Kako, if this is such a deep draft.

Or, given we don't know the quality of next year's draft, play it safe by trading up in this draft, F1 + 9 for 2 or 3, to get ahead of the Kako bid?

Because those later picks will get used up matching the Kako bid.

IN the event there is an early bid on Kako the only way to play it and still get a first round pick in addition to Kako is to trade out into next year, match the Kako bid (using up our 2nd round pick), and then trade our newly acquired F1 to get back in later in the first round.

A club with a pick in the 10-13 range might be a good candidate for something like that because the net effect is a free pick upgrade for someone in exchange for letting us get a first round pick.

 

[FootyGuru]

Do we think Tauru has midfield chops in the degoey mould, where he can go through mids but also be a damaging forward?

 

[ghostdog]

Because those later picks will get used up matching the Kako bid.

IN the event there is an early bid on Kako the only way to play it and still get a first round pick in addition to Kako is to trade out into next year, match the Kako bid (using up our 2nd round pick), and then trade our newly acquired F1 to get back in later in the first round.

A club with a pick in the 10-13 range might be a good candidate for something like that because the net effect is a free pick upgrade for someone in exchange for letting us get a first round pick.

But we've still got Stringer, Laverde and Shiel to shake out. I would have thought it was likely we bring in later picks with these that, combined with our second pick, help us match for Kako.

We should be able to have 9 + Kako and keep our F1.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

But we've still got Stringer, Laverde and Shiel to shake out. I would have thought it was likely we bring in later picks with these that, combined with our second pick, help us match for Kako.

We should be able to have 9 + Kako and keep our F1.

If the bid comes before pick 9 we can't match it with later picks. It has to go in order, so pick 9 will get dissolved in the Kako bid. So when the bid comes, you get 5 minutes to accept the bid. During the 5 minutes you can live trade picks. So we could trade out pick 9 for a future pick in the 2025 draft, which means our next pick in succession is our pick 29 and subsequent picks we've traded in for those players. Meaning we've retained the same amount of first round picks but it's been essentially moved into next year.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

My feeling of the industry buzz is people like this draft so much they would be willing to pay overs next year to get into it. Meaning we could leverage the unfortunate position of an early Kako bid into a better hand next year. I think a supposed contender next year (Geelong, Freo, GWS, Swans, Port, WB) if they find themselves with an extra future first would be willing to offer up 2 to get into the top 10 here.

 

[ghostdog]

If the bid comes before pick 9 we can't match it with later picks. It has to go in order, so pick 9 will get dissolved in the Kako bid. So when the bid comes, you get 5 minutes to accept the bid. During the 5 minutes you can live trade picks. So we could trade out pick 9 for a future pick in the 2025 draft, which means our next pick in succession is our pick 29 and subsequent picks we've traded in for those players. Meaning we've retained the same amount of first round picks but it's been essentially moved into next year.

Okay then. I was under the impression we could choose which picks to nominate to add up the points.

Does St Kilda actually dislike us that much that they would try to force us to lose a pick in this draft, even when they get to pick before us?

I probably still see the value of staying on the safe side and trading up to get ahead of the bid on Kako + WC's pick. It's a high quality draft now vs. a draft of unknown quality next year. I get the logic of waiting for the live trade if St Kilda bid, but the prospect of having 2 R1 picks in a weak draft is then a reality, isn't it? Add that to our weak haul from the 2020 draft.

We're turning the list over. I reckon we'll find ourselves with a first rounder next year anyway. As Corleone said, maybe Draper goes. Parish maybe?

 

[Old Campaigner]

My feeling of the industry buzz is people like this draft so much they would be willing to pay overs next year to get into it. Meaning we could leverage the unfortunate position of an early Kako bid into a better hand next year. I think a supposed contender next year (Geelong, Freo, GWS, Swans, Port, WB) if they find themselves with an extra future first would be willing to offer up 2 to get into the top 10 here.

The risk is we don't know where the F1 pick will land, we could end up trading out pick 9 in a great draft for pick 17 in a weak draft depending on the ladder order next year.

 

[Keystone agony]

The risk is we don't know where the F1 pick will land, we could end up trading out pick 9 in a great draft for pick 17 in a weak draft depending on the ladder order next year.

Its the only way to do it with a pre pick 9 bid

We dont have much choice

Unless we think the top 30 is that crazy and we just match pick 9 bid with pick 10. Keep 30 and draft someone else

But we should be able to get a demons, saints or dogs Future 1st so in that 5-15 range

I doubt the 30 pick this years is going to equal pick ~10 next year