AFL Evolution - Out May 5 - (Cont in LAUNCH THREAD - link in OP)

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JulianPearce said:
Exactly. The problem with Live 2 was that it was a port of a terrible, terrible game. The graphics, animations, and gameplay were so shocking in comparison to Live 1. The frills of career mode and other leagues (VFL, WAFL etc) didn't make up for the fundamental flaws Live 2 suffered from. Even the career was shitty, I still remember playing Collingwood in a final (as Geelong) at AAMI Stadium.
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So why are we all bashing WW for this ?
They've made a psp game (which surely wouldn't have had much funding) a wii game (which wouldn't have had as much funding when tru blu were also publishing a seperate PS3/360 version) and a 12 month port of an underfunded wii game

sb944 said:
I think WW are in a pretty bad spot. They have to improve graphics, commentary, gameplay, features, etc, etc to keep everyone happy. And the truth is, if they leave anything out of the mix, people will bash them for it. And what do a lot/most of us really want from an AFL game? Just something that is as fun to play as soccer games have been for over 20 years now. I hope that is REALLY high up on their list, but I fear they are more worried about the aforementioned.
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Agree with this 100%

Big Ant came out with Live 1,RLL 1 and DBC 14 and said "it's a base for future games" and everyone was fine with a barebones game but I feel if WW were to do the same they'd cop criticism for it
 
Freo16 said:
Big Ant came out with Live 1,RLL 1 and DBC 14 and said "it's a base for future games" and everyone was fine with a barebones game but I feel if WW were to do the same they'd cop criticism for it
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The key problem being that I don't believe a WW sequel in 2017 can tickle the nutsack of a BigAnt 'base' from 2011.
 

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Quivorir said:
What part of Wicked Witch do you work for Freo16?
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Was waiting for this haha

I just think it's ridiculous how everyone praises big ant but trashes WW when big ant had 4-5 years and a better budget to make Live 1 while WW haven't made a game with a decent amount of dev time and budget behind them

Rather than have an unbiased discussion about the positives and negatives of both games most people just say how perfect Live 1 was and how crap Live 2 was, while any flaws in Live 1 were simply batted away with the statement "it's a foundation for future games" while the flaws in Live 2 were heavily criticised

Why would WW want to have a presence on here right now when every second post would see them told how crap they are and how much better Big Ant are ?
 
JulianPearce said:
I'm not trying to call you out or anything, but I would love to know where you are getting these details from.
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If I can find an article or something I'll post it but I remember reading in 2008 about how big Ant were making an AFL game and how they had signed on for 5 years so they were talking about the future and making 5 games
 

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They've had way more time, with AFL Challenge through to AFL Live 2 to build the basic groundwork. They've failed to come close in all those years to do what Big Ant did in 2. I'd recommend you compare Rugby Challenge 3 gameplay to Rugby League Live 3 gameplay. Look at the vast difference in quality from between the developers.
 
Big Ant made a game with a good engine that felt like it was made by someone who understands footy and was doing the best they could with limited resources. Live 2 felt like a rushed cobbled together piece of crap with little care or understanding in it at all regardless of the limited time they had. If they had time to make all those features they could have spent it on the gameplay.
 
Freo16 said:
Was waiting for this haha

I just think it's ridiculous how everyone praises big ant but trashes WW when big ant had 4-5 years and a better budget to make Live 1 while WW haven't made a game with a decent amount of dev time and budget behind them

Rather than have an unbiased discussion about the positives and negatives of both games most people just say how perfect Live 1 was and how crap Live 2 was, while any flaws in Live 1 were simply batted away with the statement "it's a foundation for future games" while the flaws in Live 2 were heavily criticised

Why would WW want to have a presence on here right now when every second post would see them told how crap they are and how much better Big Ant are ?
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Expect criticism on an AFL forum though, it's where us AFL nerds can talk about this stuff.

There are a lot of people who are also enthusiastic about giving this new game a chance..

A lot of people enjoy AFL Live 2 that don't post on this forum. Particularly the updated iPad edition.

My criticism was that I preferred the depth of the AFL Live 1 gameplay engine and it's really that simple.

Rugby challenge 3, I've played it and I enjoyed the gameplay and engine, so am hopeful to see improved gameplay in evolution...
 
GoldbergsGold said:
Here's an idea of what AFL Evolution could and likely will be
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Hard to know what's sidhes doing and what's WWs when it comes to RC3 but if we get a game that looks like that and plays as well as those games do, as well as the features in RC3 (career,be a pro,fanhub) in evolution then WW will have hit it for six (although I don't know whether to expect this or much, much less)
 
In reality there should be no WW bashing, they are a small company taking on a big responsibility of making a game for the biggest sport in the country. AFL evolution will have to show some sort of potential as the future of AFL video games will look bleak if it is another repeat of AFL Live 2

If there's anyone who should cop criticism it's Tru Blu, for not backing in Big Ant despite them showing real promise as well as passion towards creating a good quality game for all of us fans. If you look at RLL3, Don Bradman cricket etc you will see that Tru Blu made a mistake. Here's hoping WW can produce a playable hame or at least start a foundation, like AFL live 1.
 
saintkildaman said:
In reality there should be no WW bashing, they are a small company taking on a big responsibility of making a game for the biggest sport in the country. AFL evolution will have to show some sort of potential as the future of AFL video games will look bleak if it is another repeat of AFL Live 2

If there's anyone who should cop criticism it's Tru Blu, for not backing in Big Ant despite them showing real promise as well as passion towards creating a good quality game for all of us fans. If you look at RLL3, Don Bradman cricket etc you will see that Tru Blu made a mistake. Here's hoping WW can produce a playable hame or at least start a foundation, like AFL live 1.
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If you're silent, then that gives the impression that the low quality of Football games is acceptable.
 
GoldbergsGold said:
If you're silent, then that gives the impression that the low quality of Football games is acceptable.
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What he is saying is that Tru Blu should be copping the flack for the abandonment of Big Ant and barely giving Wicked Witch any time to put out a game. Wicked Witch might have developed AFL Live 2 and their other games in a bad manner in your opinion. (AFL Live 2 is alright but definitely not as good as AFL Live 2011, AFL (Wii) was a decent game for that system and AFL Challenge was horrible.) but Tru Blu are the ones to blame for bringing those games out to the public when they could have brought back Big Ant.
 
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