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Israel gave Gaza to the Paestines? Righto - is that after they took it by force?
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Israel gave Gaza to the Paestines? Righto - is that after they took it by force?
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I keep misreading the thread title as the "AFL knock back Gazza.." and think what Ablett Jr. has proposed that the AFL has knocked back
And this is after I've already posted here
And this is after I've already posted here
Don't let Lunchlady get going on conspiracy theories...
Didn't you know Martin Bryant was just a patsy for the Howard Government?
It used to be part of Egypt I believe (stand to be corrected). Then Israel occupied it from the 6 day war until 2005. Then they withdrew and gave governence to the Palestinians, hence those elections that Hamas became a power.
No, it hasn't. All that's happened is that the IDF have coerced a 'confession' from a Palestinian under interrogation. Hamas have denied any involvement in the kidnappings and considering how forthright they normally are about any attacks on Israelis, and the lack of evidence, it is far from clear cut that they had any involvement in what happened.
The kidnappings were most likely carried out by individuals angered by the killings of two teenaged Palestinian protestors in broad day light by the Israeli forces, killings which were caught on camera by CNN, back in May.
Ahhhh no actually. Both the Jews and the Arabs have been living in the area since.......well since there were Jews and Arabs.
What the situation is more like is that The Palestinian Arabs and the Jews that managed to remain in Palestine/the Levant after the diaspora are the Aboriginals. A large population of former Aboriginals who haven't lived in the area for well over a thousand years (possibly two, can't remember) have returned and taken the place over illegally and by force. These former Aboriginals are culturally European or wherever else they've come from and are very far removed from the land they claim is their historical home/place of origin.
The Palestinian Aboriginals aren't particularly impressed with being dispossessed.
It only gets a whole lot more complicated from there.
wut?
Reading nothing but the Age and Herald sun have you?
Israel uprooted every single Israeli from Gaza in 2005, to give to the Palestinians in a showing for peace (Land that the Arabs lost whilst invading Israel and losing. Israel Subsequently gave land back to Egypt and have had peace ever since), and what did the Israelis get in return? Palestinians elect a terrorist organisation (no different from Al-Queada, Taliban or the bali bombers, action suicide bombings), fired approx 15,000 rockets aimed at civilians, attacks on Israeli cafe's buses etc.
You imply that the Hamas want land and peace? hah that's funny. Go read their charter. In fact they call for the death to all jews (and basically anyone who isn't muslim including christians) much like their ISIS friends terrorizing Iraq. If they want peace, then why did they break every ceasefire?
These are the folk Israel is trying to negotiate with.
Again.. this is a football forum so who cares. Good decision from the AFL to not polarize the fans.
The original partition of Palestine/Israel happened under the auspices of the Brits as far as I can remember. The Israelis didn't give anyone anything.
Terrorist organizations don't create themselves in a vacuum. They are usually a response to a perceived or real injustice, oppression etc.
The Palestinians lost their first war against the Israelis, they ran or were booted off of their land thinking they would get it back one day. This never happened and they have been trying to get it back ever since. Unfortunately employing terrorism.
Either way, trying to blame one side or another is pointless.
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Howard government? Clearly out of your depth.
Sorry you are just plain wrong. The Arab conquests began in the 7th century.
The Jews have been these for thousands of years. No one is really sure from when, but before the Roman Conquests anyway.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Levant
Apart from in 2005
Haha OK. But hand on your heart, you don't think it was Martin Bryant do you?
No I'm not, there have been many peoples living in that area of semitic background for thousands of years. The Hebrews were just one. You're merely mentioning when the Islamisized Arabs moved in. It's often an argument used by those of an Israeli nationalist or Zionist perspective to justify their presence in the area above all others. They claim to be the only people with a constant connection to the land there. It's a load of old cobblers.
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Of course not - it would have been nigh on impossible for Bryant to do it. Any actual reading into the subject confirms this - but it's easier to just eat what you're fed.
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They are happy to place ads where people waste their money gambling rather than placing an ad where people would be encouraged to donate to people in need. Strange to me.
What is also strange is people insinuating that by placing this ad, the AFL is siding with Palestine and are alienating the Jewish community. I am pretty sure that the Jewish community are not offended by Palestinian civilians receiving aid. Their problem was Hamas, not the civilians. By knocking back this proposal though, they have alienated Palestinian supporters of AFL clubs. They might have family affected by the recent altercation and could be offended by the AFL's refusal to place such an ad.
I would personally not give my money to World Vision anyway because I don't trust them, so the organisation being rejected is not my issue. It is the reason why they were refused by the AFL To place ads
What is also strange is people insinuating that by placing this ad, the AFL is siding with Palestine and are alienating the Jewish community. I am pretty sure that the Jewish community are not offended by Palestinian civilians receiving aid. Their problem was Hamas, not the civilians. By knocking back this proposal though, they have alienated Palestinian supporters of AFL clubs. They might have family affected by the recent altercation and could be offended by the AFL's refusal to place such an ad.
I would personally not give my money to World Vision anyway because I don't trust them, so the organisation being rejected is not my issue. It is the reason why they were refused by the AFL To place ads
Gotta admit I'm unsure on that. I think Gaza was occupied territory after the Arab Israeli wars. The Palestinians were there already, but occupied. So the Israelis merely un-occupied it, giving back to the Palestinians land they already occupied, under conditions.....like not trying to destroy Israel.
I totally agree, many cultures have lived in the land. But when it comes to who was there first, it was the Jews.
I was more using that as an example as to why the analogy was stupid in general, not to say it could be right using the correct culture for the aboriginies.
Yeah thats my understandong of it as well.
To add to that, the majority of Jews today are not Semites, meaning they are not from the original line of Abraham (w). This is especially the case for those Jews that are coming to Palestine. The Semites are the Jews that have lived in Palestine for most of the last 2000 years, along with the Palestinian Muslims.
The Israeli government looked at creating a biological weapon to target the Palestinians, until they realised that they have the same genetics as the traditional Jews and to target them would mean wiping out a portion of their own population.
The Jews that are migrating to Israel now are Caucasians, not Semites. They are Ashkenazi, a tribe of people who accepted Judaism a few centuries ago, and come from the Caucus mountains which is north of the Middle East and just south of Russia. They make up over 90% of the Jews in the world today.
These people from the Caucus Mountains are the ones the Bible refers to as the tribes of Gog and Magog, the disobedient tribes of Adam (w). The ones who will spread death and destruction throughout the world. It will only get worse for the middle east
.And there you have it people.
You read something some douchebag posts on the net without a shred of corroborating evidence, but I'm the one just eating what I'm spoonfed?
Humanitarian aid is not political. Helping innocent children is simply helping innocent children. It's only the sickos who politicise it.
Sidra.
And this is the thing, there would be a similar story about the Palestinians there. Many would have heavy Turkish "blood", sprinklings of Arab, Perisan, Hasidic Jew etc. All that jazz. This idea of a spiritual homeland never causes much but trouble (I will reitterate I do not agree with the original formation of Israel, as I have saida couple of times)
And this is the thing, there would be a similar story about the Palestinians there. Many would have heavy Turkish "blood", sprinklings of Arab, Perisan, Hasidic Jew etc. All that jazz. This idea of a spiritual homeland never causes much but trouble (I will reitterate I do not agree with the original formation of Israel, as I have saida couple of times)
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The Age is reporting that the AFL would have accepted a World Vision advertisement, but the benefactor knocked it back because they wouldn't let him have an ad saying 'SAVE GAZA SAVE PALESTINE'.
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the 2 last pages indicate why this was the right decision. too hot, too decisive
Have no idea how Martin Byrant got dragged into this.
Have no idea how Martin Byrant got dragged into this.
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