AFL to take over Sydney

[LebaneseForces]

Soccer is here to stay, but RL,

Rugby League DUMBEST GAME OF ALL

LOL... I was having a bad day until i read this post... Keep up the jokes you Clown!!!

 

[ARES]

LOL... I was having a bad day until i read this post... Keep up the jokes you Clown!!!

Doesn't take much to cheer simple people

 

[harmesy 37]

I don't know why you waste your time with these rugby league fanatics. The best way for them to go away is to ignore them.


Their minds are already cluttered and they can't use rational thoughts - it is the next generation that we should be concerned with...not people like Little Duck, who says the same things over and over again. If he is so passionate about league then good and well, there are plenty like him and congratulations and enjoy your game...



but...If only they took time out to think rationally and not via the propoganda that they have been fed since they were 5 years old..


you know the stuff " afl is a girl's game, afl is victorian etc.." then they would clearly see that AFL is a worthy of their support. Yet they are like a computer that can't stop repeating the same things over and over again.

They should analyse their thoughts - not be sheep.


The FACTS are

1) australian rules is australian

2) australian rules highlight reel from 2006 leaves league for dead.
name the highlights of the league season?
a tackle here, a break there.

think back to the marks, goals, thrills, tackles, hits, speed etc of afl this year and it there is no comparison.

3) rugby league gets a lot of support from the tele and channel 9.

 

[Tigger Please!]

3) rugby league gets a lot of support from the tele and channel 9.

LMAO!
this is by far the funniest thing i've read in these forums!
and as for the comment about marks, goals, thrills, tackles, hits, speed etc being exclusive to afl, i suggest you actually watch an nrl highlights package.

 

[littleduck]

I don't know why you waste your time with these rugby league fanatics. The best way for them to go away is to ignore them.


Their minds are already cluttered and they can't use rational thoughts - it is the next generation that we should be concerned with...not people like Little Duck, who says the same things over and over again. If he is so passionate about league then good and well, there are plenty like him and congratulations and enjoy your game...



but...If only they took time out to think rationally and not via the propoganda that they have been fed since they were 5 years old..


you know the stuff " afl is a girl's game, afl is victorian etc.." then they would clearly see that AFL is a worthy of their support. Yet they are like a computer that can't stop repeating the same things over and over again.

They should analyse their thoughts - not be sheep.

I support the Brisbane Lions...

The FACTS are

1) australian rules is australian

So too is Rugby League having been enjoyed by millions spanning generations for the past 99 years.

2) australian rules highlight reel from 2006 leaves league for dead.
name the highlights of the league season?
a tackle here, a break there.

No point going down that road.. its too subjective!

think back to the marks, goals, thrills, tackles, hits, speed etc of afl this year and it there is no comparison.

Great. It's what 'you' enjoy. It's not the objectively better combination of highlights than other codes.

3) rugby league gets a lot of support from the tele and channel 9.

*nearly chokes*

 

[ARES]

LMAO!
this is by far the funniest thing i've read in these forums!
and as for the comment about marks, goals, thrills, tackles, hits, speed etc being exclusive to afl, i suggest you actually watch an nrl highlights package.

You mean, chucks and throws and stacks on, and men groping men, and 3-4 men tackling one man with a ball, and more chucks and plenty more throws, and stacks on with the man on the bottom kicking his legs in the air like a little girl and throws and more chucks and a couple of fingers being shoved up clackers and plenty more throws....

Wow, that is one for the highlights!

Rugby League Dumbest Game Of All

 

[harmesy 37]

Little Duck, can you let me know where the following footballers were recruited from?

Mal Michael

Wayne Carey

Nick Davis

Terry Daniher

Lenny Hayes

Mark McVeigh

Greg Stafford

Jamie Charman



See - it is perfectly possible to come from a NSW club or a QLD club and make the top echelon of football.

Mal Michael - Morningside - Brisbane

Nick Davis - St George -Sydney

Wayne Carey - Wagga

Terry Daniher - Ungarie - central nsw

John Longmire - corowa - nsw

Lenny Hayes - Pennant Hills - sydney

Mark McVeigh - Pennant Hills - sydney

Greg Stafford - western suburbs - sydney

Charman - northern eagles - brisbane

etc etc etc.

or do you have a problem with nsw and qld people playing the australian code of football? as per what the media has advised you to think since you were 5? The reason i ask is that i think this is central to your thought process about football. You believe there is some huge iron gate around syndey and brisbane protecting them from playing the australian code... for some reason i thought we lived in australia.. .or are Sydney and brisbane an outcrop of leeds, hull and bradford?

 

[1908]

Where do their family roots come from? I would bet that 99% are first generation New South Welshmen or Queenslanders.

 

[littleduck]

I think this post is the best question that you've ever asked me! Keep it up!

Little Duck, can you let me know where the following footballers were recruited from?

Mal Michael

Wayne Carey

Nick Davis

Terry Daniher

Lenny Hayes

Mark McVeigh

Greg Stafford

Jamie Charman

See - it is perfectly possible to come from a NSW club or a QLD club and make the top echelon of (AFL) football.

Mal Michael - Morningside - Brisbane

Nick Davis - St George -Sydney

Wayne Carey - Wagga

Terry Daniher - Ungarie - central nsw

John Longmire - corowa - nsw

Lenny Hayes - Pennant Hills - sydney

Mark McVeigh - Pennant Hills - sydney

Greg Stafford - western suburbs - sydney

Charman - northern eagles - brisbane

etc etc etc.

No doubt!

or do you have a problem with nsw and qld people playing the australian code of football?

No, I dont! I think Aussie Rules is a great game for anybody to play & follow from anywhere in the nation. I do have a problem with those who seek to argue Aussie Rules is Australian and therefore somehow playing & following Rugby League is somehow un-Austrlaian... that argument is non-sensical... and even if you phrased it to make sense, I dont believe being home-grown is a competitive advantage for AFL in its expansion efforts in NSW QLD ACT/

as per what the media has advised you to think since you were 5?

The reality is a city/region/state embrace overall the traditionally followed football code... and in Oz that means 2 different brands of football.

If you're trying to argue that people should move beyond that brand of football which they were brought up on at home and at school and elsewhere and also embrace other codes... then I'm on your side!!!

As I've said many times... the future in all cities is multi-code following.

The reason i ask is that i think this is central to your thought process about football. You believe there is some huge iron gate around syndey and brisbane protecting them from playing the australian code...

No, not at all... I recognise the growth of the so-called "southern code" in the north... but I disagree strongly with the portrayal of the "southern code" as the Australian game but the prefereed "northern code" is somehow un-Australian. Why can't all codes co-exist everywhere?

for some reason i thought we lived in australia.. .or are Sydney and brisbane an outcrop of leeds, hull and bradford?

The reality is Aussie Rules is a Victorian game thats gone national over the past century or more... it went west fairly early on.. but only recently has there been a serious attempt to promote the game in the north!

I don't think its fair to paint Aussie Rules as the truly Australian game... sure its Australian, but not truly Australian, coz its heartland is Victoria and not nationally.

 

[cos789]

I don't think its fair to paint Aussie Rules as the truly Australian game... sure its Australian, but not truly Australian, coz its heartland is Victoria and not nationally.

FFS Littleprick . Just how many times have you started this idea and got shot down in flames . We've given you a thousand history lessons which you take is in fact but then slink away to repost the same drivel thinking you'll somehow confince people the by repeating over and over and over again that somehow they'll agree with you . Well the only person you've confinced is yourself .

You know that by any measure Australian Football is the truly Australian game , played throughout Australia almost from it's inception and it's heartland is Australia .


.

 

[1908]

Is this the reason people follow it? No. Trying to convert northerners because of this arguement will get you nowhere as it is irrelevant.
Thank god RL, soccer etc aren't confined to Australia as we would have missed out on a wonderful dimension to these sports.

 

[cos789]

So 1908 you'd have a problem with saying Lacross , baseball , basketball and gridiron are truly American sports ; that hurling and Gaelic football are truly irish sports ;that Sumo is a truly Japenese sport ; that soccer and rugby are truly english sports ?

I'd say someone's little jealousy is showing .

.

 

[1908]

I'd say someone's a little deluded.

 

[cos789]

So 1908 you do have a problem with saying Lacross , baseball , basketball and gridiron are truly American sports ; that hurling and Gaelic football are truly irish sports ;that Sumo is a truly Japenese sport ; that soccer and rugby are truly english sports ?

 

[clobba]

Why the hell bother with these threads, time will prove it all & I am sick of clicking on these pointless arguments (no not discussion, it may well start civilly but they inevitably end up as arguments) by mistake. WHO THE HELL F***ING CARES other than insecure little twerps who consistantly feel the need to say "My codes better than yours & is winning in the fight", damn it I was sick of the my father could woop your father arguments in primary school.

 

[littleduck]

FFS Littleprick . Just how many times have you started this idea and got shot down in flames . We've given you a thousand history lessons which you take is in fact but then slink away to repost the same drivel thinking you'll somehow confince people the by repeating over and over and over again that somehow they'll agree with you . Well the only person you've confinced is yourself .

You know that by any measure Australian Football is the truly Australian game , played throughout Australia almost from it's inception and it's heartland is Australia .


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Yeah, AFL is "truly Australian", but not "truly national" in its support. COs, my point was that in your attempt to paint AFL as "truly Australian" your implying Rugby League is somehow un-Australian, which is codswallop. That's the issue I'm taking you up on!

 

[Tigger Please!]

You mean, chucks and throws and stacks on, and men groping men, and 3-4 men tackling one man with a ball, and more chucks and plenty more throws, and stacks on with the man on the bottom kicking his legs in the air like a little girl and throws and more chucks and a couple of fingers being shoved up clackers and plenty more throws....

Wow, that is one for the highlights!

Rugby League Dumbest Game Of All

once again, i suggest you watch an NRL highlights package.

 

[ARES]

once again, i suggest you watch an NRL highlights package.

"thugby sucks"
"i agree"
"lol lol afl is sydney land now!"

 

[TheSaviour]

I have a better chance of gettign a Bj from Alba than AFL taking over Sydney.

 

[cos789]

Yeah, AFL is "truly Australian",

That is a statement and only a statement . .
Any implications seem to be perceived in your head only .

 

[huntos]

I dont think the afl will take over Sydney, sydneysiders are too fickle with supporting a sport, they just love a winner. Its just good for the swans to be recognised as a team of Sydney and nice too see that they can get a record crowd against Freemantle against a rugby league final. Having established the S.C.G as there own ground to share with the speed blitz blues really helps them because they dont have competition to score a venue like rugby league will with soccer in the future (assuming that soccer grows and Sydney gets more teams). Football will always be played in Sydney because of its synergy with cricket, (both using an oval) a huge advantage the swans will have in tough times because the S.C.G will never be knocked down to build a new rectangular stadium just because they are not drawing great crowds. If Sydney gets a second team football will most likely grow, sport grows on rivalry and tradition, too things that a second team could bring. And unlike rugby league teams the afl can support strugling clubs enabling them to survive through the tough times, they will not need to make a profit to be considered a success.
As for australian rules, victorian rules whatever Syndeysiders call what the southern states of Australia call football, why cant it be called Australian rules? It was invented in Australia and has been played all around Australia longer than rugby league and soccer. Just because the game came from a particular part of Australia dosn't make it un-Australian, Melbourne Football Club (Australia's first football club) was just the first football club to write down the rules in 1859, 147 years ago.
I the end i just hope that great footy is continued and we have grand finals with similar intensity to this years for years to come. It dosn't need to be the number 1 sport in Sydney for Sydney to love the sport, if great footy is played then Sydney will learn to love the sport no matter what they want to call it.

 

[Rex]

Footy has the image, the skill and excitement to make it the truly Australian code. Rugby league is a thugs game and it keeps shooting itself in the footy week after week. Watch the Sydney media really get behind footy next year.

 

[akazie]

I dont think the afl will take over Sydney

The only thing you got right

sydneysiders are too fickle with supporting a sport, they just love a winner.

You do realise that Rugby League has been and still is Sydney and NSW's sport for near on 100 years?

Through thick n thin for generations, just like the VFL in Melbourne before the AFL.

Its just good for the swans to be recognised as a team of Sydney and nice too see that they can get a record crowd against Freemantle against a rugby league final.

Sydney supports Sydney's teams, what the problem?

Why mention Rugby League when you talking about the Swans, the Swans have their core support that sticks with them and they have the others who jump on board when things are different, all sport has that.

You're comparing RL support for all of Sydney based on 1 or 2 teams pulling power in a RL semi final?

Having established the S.C.G as there own ground to share with the speed blitz blues really helps them because they dont have competition to score a venue like rugby league will with soccer in the future (assuming that soccer grows and Sydney gets more teams).

The SCG is not the Swans as you call it, the SCG has been there alot longer than that.

RL moved out of there years ago, they don't need it.

Soccer plays in Summer when it's Cricket season, Rugby League has always been a Winter sport in Australia, they have been living together for years, why would anything be different now?

Football will always be played in Sydney

I hope you're talking about Rugby League here, as Rugby League is Footy in Sydney.

because of its synergy with cricket

Yeah RL has always got on well with cricket in Australia, England, NZ, anywhere else they've crossed paths.

(both using an oval) a huge advantage the swans will have in tough times because the S.C.G will never be knocked down to build a new rectangular stadium just because they are not drawing great crowds.

Oh, you're back on about the Swans again huh?

The Swans will be safe as long as they don't harm themselves with debt and fold, as you have seen from the Media over the last 2 years, they have been accepted.

If Sydney gets a second team football will most likely grow, sport grows on rivalry and tradition, too things that a second team could bring.

What, Sydney needs all the help it can get now and you want the AFL pumping millions into another team?

Look, if you want to watch AFL in Sydney, you go and Watch the Swans, if you're a keen fan, you get a season ticket.

Look after what you've got, not go chasing pipe dreams.

The Not So North Kangaroo's already tried and Failed, atleast any failers in RL took a couple of Seasons, not a couple of Rounds.

And unlike rugby league teams the afl can support strugling clubs enabling them to survive through the tough times, they will not need to make a profit to be considered a success.

What the hell would you know about hard times?

Did the AFL have a War with old friends, players, families, supporters, media, TV, Radio?

Did the AFL kick out Teams?

Did the AFL Merg Teams?

Did the AFL have every other code looking at ways to get past the armour?

(they do now though )

As for australian rules, victorian rules whatever Syndeysiders call what the southern states of Australia call football

Well you got one bit right, at last where getting somewhere.

why cant it be called Australian rules?

Because where we come from, it most certainly does not Rule.

It was invented in Australia and has been played all around Australia longer than rugby league and soccer.

And when it was played all over Australia, Rugby League came across and has been NSW-QLD's sport since, simply because it's a better sport, that's why we like Rugby League, it's better.

Your game is full of too many mistakes, you get rewarded for doing things wrong, if you want to reward mediocrity, watch AFL.

Just because the game came from a particular part of Australia doesnt make it unAustralian, Melbourne Football Club (Australia's first football club) was just the first football club to write down the rules in 1859, 147 years ago.

Good luck to them, lets hope they are around in another 147 years.

No one says there un Australian, ffs, it's AFL.

I the end i just hope that great footy is continued and we have grand finals with similar intensity to this years for years to come.

Now you're talking sense.

[It dosn't need to be the number 1 sport in Sydney for Sydney to love the sport, if great footy is played then Sydney will learn to love the sport

It won't ever be number 1 in Sydney.

no matter what they want to call it.

But whatever it is, I'm sure it has a future no matter what it may be.

Good on it, whatever it is.

 

[Tigerland]

I dont think the afl will take over Sydney, sydneysiders are too fickle with supporting a sport, they just love a winner. Its just good for the swans to be recognised as a team of Sydney and nice too see that they can get a record crowd against Freemantle against a rugby league final. Having established the S.C.G as there own ground to share with the speed blitz blues really helps them because they dont have competition to score a venue like rugby league will with soccer in the future (assuming that soccer grows and Sydney gets more teams). Football will always be played in Sydney because of its synergy with cricket, (both using an oval) a huge advantage the swans will have in tough times because the S.C.G will never be knocked down to build a new rectangular stadium just because they are not drawing great crowds. If Sydney gets a second team football will most likely grow, sport grows on rivalry and tradition, too things that a second team could bring. And unlike rugby league teams the afl can support strugling clubs enabling them to survive through the tough times, they will not need to make a profit to be considered a success.

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I agree with most of what you say there huntos - spot on.

I guess the main battle (having being born in melb and moved to sydeny in my teens) is that the majority of people have already made up their minds. They either follow rugby league or aust rules..., and most follow the wallabies when they play internationals in rugby union.
You will get a bit of a percentage that adopt either code and follow it somewhat..., they will always follow their favoured code.
The real battle (and they afl certainl realise it) is that the untaken ground is the juniors in growing areas such as the west of sydeny. Areas like Rouse Hill - apparently by state govt. figures are about to increase the population by 200,000 people.
Although the road infustructure is terrible - that's an amazing oppurtunity for development and growth. Aussie rules is already big in that area.
I can't comment on other areas of Sydney - although the Central Coast is a junior oppurtunity as well.

As much as I hate say it ..., having Eddie here in Sydney will probably bring the code forward a couple of years. He's a smart Guy and he knows how the hit the right buttons with people.

It's abit of a catch 22 with me in the development of AFL. I honestly believe that sooner or later the Vic Clubs will have to be merged in some way. That will be a sad day indeed, regardless of who you go for. Most people know someone who supports another club.

E.g - I support the Tigers.., the day that Fitzroy folded was very sad.
Apart from being a team i admired as underdogs - I had a run with their little league ( aged 10) and during our pre - game pep in the Fitzroy change rooms at princess Park - Rob Walls was bought in unconcious on a stretcher, they laid him out on a table next to us a metre away.
They left him for abit then gave his the smelling salts. After a bit, he awoke finally.
Most of the lads us lads were a little relucatnt to attack the ball after that one!

 

[1908]

Well the AFL better get a wriggle on as earlier this year Collingwood held a coaching clinic in Sydney's west and there were more players than kids.
I don't mind AFL being played in Sydney, but what annoys me is the arrogant attitude that AFL just has to be played for everyone to start supporting it, as though other sports don't have a say, where does this attitude come from?