AFL to take the NRL's lead and take a game to the US?

[3207]

You know what I mean, I’ll rephrase, the top flight of uk football. Or Formula 1 for that matter.

The world is considerably smaller today than it was 30 years ago mate.

Australia, however, is still just a far away land with strange accents and sharks according to Americans.

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

The AFL would be there for the exact same reason the NRL are.

As they should. Don't try convert them to fans. Convert them to punters

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Absolutely.

But the ultimate reason would be to use that money for the same gains back home - to grow the sport domestically using money made internationally

Absolutely. I’m not criticising the NRL, just calling a spade a spade.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

As they should. Don't try convert them to fans. Convert them to punters

Sure, no problem there per se, although I do have qualms with gambling industry

 

[PhatBoy]

I can see why others have that point of view - especially as it was being played in Vegas which helps this narrative somewhat.

But the game would either have to:absolutely explode in the hearts and minds of the American people in order for them to gamble on it in huge numbers to recover the investment.

If they’re getting $10c on the dollar and $10,000,000 upfront from an agency - that’s a hell of a long play to just break even.

Just because we can bet on the Dutch handball league here - it doesn’t necessarily mean that we bet on it in numbers that will financially benefit the league as a whole

The NRL is backed and owned by the Murdochs and is run by a guy who has run Racing NSW.

If you don’t think they’ve done their sums on the investments and the likelihood of getting a return or at the very least breaking even and getting a PR boost at home - which they already have - you haven’t been paying attention.

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

Sure, no problem there per se, although I do have qualms with gambling industry

So do i. Insidious stuff, but somebody has to do it

 

[3207]

As they should. Don't try convert them to fans. Convert them to punters

You think that the NFL’s success here is built on punters and not on watching the game and learning the rules and enjoying it for the spectacle it is?

I’ve watched every Super Bowl since 1993.

Gambling has got nothing to do with it.

And I would say that the majority of Aus NFL fans are in the same boat.

Why is this about gambling but the NFL isn’t?

 

[3207]

The NRL is backed and owned by the Murdochs and is run by a guy who has run Racing NSW.

If you don’t think they’ve done their sums on the investments and the likelihood of getting a return or at the very least breaking even and getting a PR boost at home - which they already have - you haven’t been paying attention.

I’m saying they aren’t doing this solely for gambling revenue.

I’m not saying they haven’t done a great job by going there?

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

You think that the NFL’s success here is built on punters and not on watching the game and learning the rules and enjoying it for the spectacle it is?

I’ve watched every Super Bowl since 1993.

Gambling has got nothing to do with it.

And I would say that the majority of Aus NFL fans are in the same boat.

Why is this about gambling but the NFL isn’t?

Nothing to do with punters. Especially with me.

I followed it because I knew Americans who followed it. I put the time in to learn the rules and watch every game.

US market is different. We're a small market of US obsessed people who love US sports.

 

[3207]

Nothing to do with punters. Especially with me.

I followed it because I knew Americans who followed it. I put the time in to learn the rules and watch every game.

US market is different. We're a small market of US obsessed people who love US sports.

Exactly. We’re a small market!

How are we going to generate the millions via gambling revenue to recoup?

Thats why this isn’t just about the gambling dollar.

Thank you !!

 

[Jim Prideaux]

So do i. Insidious stuff, but somebody has to do it

That’s another thing to, the government s both state and federal have been murmuring for years about a crack down, time to find new markets

 

[My Tilly]

Tried it already and it was not successful.

Unless players are willing to sit out for 6-8 weeks and adopt the bump, the Yanks love their high contact sports which is why the NRL did well this past weekend.

Also, today's game lacks in various departments. The spectacular high mark is becoming a thing of the past and players are poor kicks.
Imagine showing up to a stadium where NFL kickers have a kicking efficiency of 85% and you have our blokes averaging 55%.

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

That’s another thing to, the government s both state and federal have been murmuring for years about a crack down, time to find new markets

Happy for our backyard to be protected.

 

[Gough]

Sure, no problem there per se, although I do have qualms with gambling industry

I don't give a shit about rugby league but I would hope that if they're trying to break America for gambling purposes they have some pretty rigid safeguards. We've already seen the example of Ryan Tandy and the sad way that that ended up and that was for an Australian pot, it's not hard to imagine with global money on offer players might be tempted to think that they can beat the system too.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

I don't give a s**t about rugby league but I would hope that if they're trying to break America for gambling purposes they have some pretty rigid safeguards. We've already seen the example of Ryan Tandy and the sad way that that ended up and that was for an Australian pot, it's not hard to imagine with global money on offer players might be tempted to think that they can beat the system too.

I don’t mind a bit of league, prefer Union, but yes, agree. It could open up a whole can of worms.

 

[PhatBoy]

I’m saying they aren’t doing this solely for gambling revenue.

I’m not saying they haven’t done a great job by going there?

Fair enough

 

[3207]

I don't give a s**t about rugby league but I would hope that if they're trying to break America for gambling purposes they have some pretty rigid safeguards. We've already seen the example of Ryan Tandy and the sad way that that ended up and that was for an Australian pot, it's not hard to imagine with global money on offer players might be tempted to think that they can beat the system too.

Died owing the Clovelly Hotel $10,000.

Pub would’ve been in a whole lot of trouble had that come out around the time of his death.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Exactly. We’re a small market!

How are we going to generate the millions via gambling revenue to recoup?

Thats why this isn’t just about the gambling dollar.

Thank you !!

We are not, they are, that’s the whole point. No one is saying it’s only gambling, but it is certainly a large part. If it does ok there will be subscription services (need to watch what your betting on), some advertising- travel etc you’d imagine.

 

[3207]

We are not, they are, that’s the whole point. No one is saying it’s only gambling, but it is certainly a large part. If it does ok there will be subscription services (need to watch what you’re betting on), some advertising- travel etc you’d imagine.

You saying America is the small market?? I’m confused mate. In every way they are larger than us?

The subscription numbers are what I’m super keen to see. If they announce them, that is.

Unless you mean they’re an insular market? In which case I wholeheartedly agree !

 

[00Stinger]

Even the field size on Sunday wasn’t exactly the right dimensions needed.

They just don’t have oval shaped grounds there. Unsure if you can play it at a baseball venue though?

Would love to see Giants v Pies at Fenway if that was feasible.

taking the game to India, South Africa or Uk would be easier imo

 

[Jim Prideaux]

You saying America is the small market?? I’m confused mate. In every way they are larger than us?

The subscription numbers are what I’m super keen to see. If they announce them, that is.

Unless you mean they’re an insular market? In which case I wholeheartedly agree !

No, they will be the ones betting on it. They are a huge market, even a fraction of their gambling pie could be lucrative.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Aussie rules would succeed in the USA if they try to hit the college market, not the mainstream market.
Remember, colleges there play professional Frisbee!

 

[Aussie in exile]

Yeah Giants and Essendon is what i heard too.

Its 100% the Giants leading the charge, and Essendon probably fit the bill from an opposition perspective.

I thought the idea behind giving GWS a license was to grow the game in Western Sydney, not Canberra or the US i was obviously wrong.

 

[Xtreme]

Aussie rules would succeed in the USA if they try to hit the college market, not the mainstream market.
Remember, colleges there play professional Frisbee!

Rock Paper Scissors to be an Olympic event in 3.. 2.. 1

 

[Aussie in exile]

China and India are better best, they don't have a large entrenched set of sports. Yes, they do have large entrenched sports but its a couple not like the crowded American market. And along with large, rapidly growing in India's case less so China's these days, emerging or new middle classes and leisure time that has not previously been there. The working classes and rural (for lack of a better word, peasants) don't have time or money; a more urbanised middle class will have - eventually, if not in the early periods of urbanising - something more like a weekend and regular hours.
The case could be made that there is space for a more physical ball sport than Cricket, Field Hockey or Association Football filling a gap in those nations. I wouldn't necessarily agree, but can see an argument that such a gap exists.

US patterns are long established and could be a nation in decline.
Patterns in India and China are in flux over the next couple of decades as the wealth per capita builds. Even there, I don't see a sport from a minor-to-no power such as Australia (I'm including RL in that, even though it has British origin its stronger here) getting much of a look-in. American Football has had the power of Hollywood and not made major strides anywhere, Australian Football and RL have the power of well, nothing, as free marketing.

And I freely admit this is thought bubbling, without solid numbers or a good knowledge of the cultures, so hardly persuasive.

Forget China.
India a possibility, but what time of year what you play games there?
To hot to play games there in the Indian summer, and in Winter Cricket is king.