Recruiting AFL Trade & Free Agency X - Club has elected not to fill list spot - Davey returning from injury?

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[doug85]

The only viable ones are the two clubs who need a good year next year for the coach to survive in St. Kilda and Port.

And that shouldn’t be happening in theory. Massive conflict of interest if coaches influence list management to save their skin.

 

[andleanback]

The only viable ones are the two clubs who need a good year next year for the coach to survive in St. Kilda and Port.

No one is going to be doing that for parish when they get him for free next year, they aren’t that desperate.

 

[JayJ20]

The only viable ones are the two clubs who need a good year next year for the coach to survive in St. Kilda and Port.

Geelong is another option if they miss out on Hopper and Grundy. I think Port will land Dunkley so they don’t need Parish.

 

[Milanista28]

Geelong is another option if they miss out on Hopper and Grundy. I think Port will land Dunkley so they don’t need Parish.

And they don't have the picks to satisfy us. Parish will stay, if he leaves it's next year and we'll probably receive band 1.

 

[andleanback]

Geelong is another option if they miss out on Hopper and Grundy. I think Port will land Dunkley so they don’t need Parish.

Geelong isn’t missing on hopper it’s moreorless a done deal.

 

[fishardansin]

What we don't need is a tall forward that will cost us all of our draft capital for the next two years!

De Goey, Brayshaw, and Gunstan as Free agents with our huge war chest, please. Sit the three of them down, explain the role the three of them play in rebuilding this club and how they won't cost us any draft capital.

Then add some mature KPD depth, but keep nursing the young guys for another year in VFL. I'd also like the best state league option for a small forward. A tackling machine who can sneak a goal or two would be nice.

Then keep our pick 5 and get the Davey boys.

I like how that positions us for immediate improvement, but still, a plethora of young talent coming through.

 

[faible]

Brayshaw

Another Dees star signs monster deal as Angus Brayshaw shuns free agency

‘Feels significant’: Dees go ‘all-in’ as star shuns rivals to pen SIX-year mega-deal

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Call Me Cake]

Dunkley
De Goey
McKay

Who else?

 

[bennyg12]

Dunkley
De Goey
McKay

Who else?

Zero chance of any

 

[JayJ20]

Geelong isn’t missing on hopper it’s moreorless a done deal.

Ah right. I thought I read somewhere that he (or maybe it was his manager) was spotted at Punt Road today or yesterday.

 

[andleanback]

Ah right. I thought I read somewhere that he (or maybe it was his manager) was spotted at Punt Road today or yesterday.

Tigers are getting taranto

 

[ant555]

Ah right. I thought I read somewhere that he (or maybe it was his manager) was spotted at Punt Road today or yesterday.

And it sounds like the Cats will get him for a reasonable price .

 

[Bjchan13]

Liam Stocker

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Liam Stocker

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

180.0

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.6

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

180.0

3star

delisted is surprising

 

[Seb78]

Liam Stocker delisted is surprising

Genuinely surprised by this. Didn't they give up a first round for him? I actually thought he was ok.

 

[andleanback]

Get stocker!

 

[ghostdog]

Parish to the Saints
Dunkley to Essendon
#9 to the bulldogs

I've been laughing at suggestions for Dunkley trades, but that could work.

 

[Sporno 4 Pyros]

Genuinely surprised by this. Didn't they give up a first round for him? I actually thought he was ok.

Yeah I thought he was really good in the final match of the year against Jamie Elliot (think he was on the bench when Elliot kicked the winning goal but he hadn’t done much up until then)

Can’t remember the exact deal but I think it was a swap of first round picks in the following year.

Adelaide were expecting to finish top 4 and blues to finish bottom 4 so it may have seemed like a good idea at the time.
I think they both missed the 8 so in theory the blues got the better of the deal (2 first rounders for dropping a few places the next year)

 

[Bjchan13]

Get stocker!

Absolutely worth a list spot

 

[bennyg12]

Absolutely worth a list spot

SOS thought that too

 

[Zach Package]

Stocker is absolutely worth a run for at least a year to see if he can cut it as a genuine on baller.

Might be limited skill wise but a physical footballer who likes the hard stuff

 

[BrunoV]

Just finished watching Geelong v Collingwood…have now watched each of the finals.

It’s dispiriting tbh….don’t even know where to start. We need leadership, endurance runners, power around the ball….you name it, we need it.

I’m tempted to say out first priority should be a captain. Zac ‘ain’t the guy and we don’t even have a Harley/Maxell type to call on.

The midfield is the other obvious starting point - we are so undersized and so lacking running power compared to these teams. I would be open to trading whomever of Shiel, Parish or Merrett gets us the best haul.

I don’t think we would have been vaguely competitive in any of those games other than Brisbane/Richmond which was a level below the others in terms of pressure/physical intensity.

It's an unavoidable conclusion isn't it? That nothing we have done suggests we can withstand that level of pressure.

Our whole set up inside is avoiding the contact and pressure that can't be avoided. It's an effective set up for the 25-30% of centre bounces that break our way. How is that sustainable, how is that supposed to work in finals?

As a little drive by on Rutten he did entrench this bruise free midfield play in his time. He did nothing to try to correct it. He had options which would have at least indicated he was working on changing the culture. Even if it was to play 'blockers'. Funny how of all the players selected to make a point Dylan Clarke was one punted first.

It's one of the areas in which his numerous and significant failings have been underscrutinised because of the way in which his departure was handled.

I've been watching a lot of soccer again and the way that game breaks down the midfield into roles has given me a different perspective or way of thinking about an AFL midfield. It's might also just be another way of highlighting the absurdity of what we are trying to do.

In soccer the midfield is really the central midfielders, whether its the double pivot, or a variation of 3 players, who occupy the space stating from in front of the defenders to the centre of the ground.

The attacking midfielder (#10) and wingers, while playing roles that are accross midfield lines, are more part of an attacking quartet with the striker (depending on formation).

In footy the attack comes from the attacking mids who tend to be the star players (other than at Essendon where they are pedestrian) and the half forwards who form part of the attacking midfield. Our wingmen tend to be more defensive oriented players.

The (central) midfielders in soccer are box to box workhorses. This is really the role of an AFL midfield, exemplified ideally by what Freo is building around Brayshaw, Serong and Brodie, with the only exception being the centre square and maybe even front half stoppages where you need the attacking mids to break the game open (if possible).

We literally play with no pivots, no defensive midfielders. We're trying to play a game with a midfield full of attacking mids, getting reasonable results in the centre square with no answer for what is happening for the remaining 75% of the midfield contest. What compounds this problem is that these same players are so physically weak.

You then look at how we intened to address this issue: Perkins (an attacking mid), Zurhaar (a forward who might be an attacking mid), De Goey (a forward and attacking mid), Caldwell (an attacking mid) and Hobbs (who looks box to box but who is not someone renowned for his defensive work but who at least plays a hard ball contested like Brodie).

This is just an absurdity. It would never happen proactively in soccer. Sure, a squad might get gutted by injury which could throw up unconventional selection, but the signing of attacking mids on top of attacking mids at the expense of the pivot is not a thing. The coach wouldn't survive long enough to drive that sort of selection and directors/gms would be immediately exposed.

 

[Snake Charmer]

Stocker was used as a small back by Carlton. Like Setterfield. Played completely out of position

 

[Corleone]

Stocker should be signed IMO.

 

[BrunoV]

Stocker is absolutely worth a run for at least a year to see if he can cut it as a genuine on baller.

Might be limited skill wise but a physical footballer who likes the hard stuff

Issue is tank and the sameness from a running perspective with 4 or 5 others.

Stocker has the ability to kick the eyes out of a game from the inside. Very rare ability.

 

[andleanback]

Issue is tank and the sameness from a running perspective with 4 or 5 others.

Stocker has the ability to kick the eyes out of a game from the inside. Very rare ability.

He’s way tougher than a lot of the mids that we have, hasn’t got the opportunity to play on ball at Carlton.