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Brayshaw is more Zac Merret whilst Darcy Parish is more Will Brodie kelvin_sheedy
 
Red Black and Blue said:
The whole argument shows a flawed understanding of what an effective stoppage player is.

Clearances or contested possessions won is half or less of the equation. It's clearances won + opposition clearances prevented. You can contribute to clearances won by blocking for team mates to create space, or prevent opposition clearances through body contact, supporting in the tackle etc.

Parish has a very singular way of contributing at the stoppage. He barely contributes at all in a direct defensive or supporting in a secondary offensive/defensive manner. He might end up with 6.5 clearances a game but have prevented only 1-2 others the other way. Where as Brayshaw will generate 4 clearances offensively and block for another 5, plus prevent another 6-7 directly and limit the effectiveness of another 6-7, leading to a far greater impact on total number of clearances a game.
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Aka: the reason Jake Stringer cannot be a successful midfielder in a successful side.
 
Zach Package said:
Aka: the reason Jake Stringer cannot be a successful midfielder in a successful side.
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Stringer isn't a true midfielder, he's that 'striker' role they've talked about who moves forward and a true on-baller comes up off the half-forward line. He's a pseudo-midfielder whose offensive value is enough to offer value in a well functioning side. Stringer of the second half of 2021 was more than effective enough offensively at centre bounces to justify the defensive loss.

Richmond used Martin in that role to good effect, largely relying on a guy like Lambert to come up from half-forward to cover his defensive running to allow him to operate offensively. They also had a strong whole-of-team defensive mindset generally.

Parish isn't damaging enough offensively to get away with ignoring the defensive stuff, Stringer (when fit) is.
 

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Mr Mojo Risin said:
So many players are friends with other players across the league that this often means nothing, but if it is something I’d be happy. Parish has some great attributes but we’re in a position where we need to alter the balance of our midfield and he may get us some value.
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Is it something if he has also forfeited a trip to Spain with the group? That makes it sound more like something.
 
Red Black and Blue said:
They also mention directly after this that we are into Narkle but didn’t reference a source just the grapevine.
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Good choice. Tough as nails and can't get a game for Geelong in the middle
 
We should be having a look at Wil Setterfield if he is available (which seems likely). Very highly rated as a junior and very much in the Will Brodie mould. Would be cheap as chips and the potential is there to be unlocked.

If people want a monster at centre clearances then he could be there for the taking.
 
MPMonkeys said:
We should be having a look at Wil Setterfield if he is available (which seems likely). Very highly rated as a junior and very much in the Will Brodie mould. Would be cheap as chips and the potential is there to be unlocked.

If people want a monster at centre clearances then he could be there for the taking.
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Unlike Brodie, Setterfield doesn't really use his size at stoppages. He's tall, but not a beast.
 
owen87 said:
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What is it though?
 
MPMonkeys said:
I don't think he has ever been given a chance to play that role.
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He's tall, but doesn't use his size the way you think he does. Unlike Brodie.

Brodie's issue was never his clearance work, it was his defensive running. Fremantle needed the clearance work and were a strong side for defensive running.

Setterfield's issue is that he doesn't have the weight to match his height, nor does he use his body around clearances the way we need a big midfielder to use their size. Think of how Langford doesn't really use his size despite being tall for a midfielder, whereas someone like Neale or Adams wrench clearances out at will despite being shorter.
 

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kelvin_sheedy said:
And we have recruited Hobbs for that exact part and we have another crack at a top 5 mid. Shiel is at the end so you are effectively saying having Merrett and Parish in the same team is not going to work when you look at the top teams they have lots of players that can go through there of various styles.
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I’d say Shiel has 2 more years minimum - so that’s another two years of that trio playing significant midfield minutes.

Hobbs has some points of difference, as does Caldwell….but there is certainly a sameness to the group. All can play good footy, that’s not the issue, but it’s a poorly constructed cohort.

The question I’d ask re Parish is….is he good offensively enough to be carried as a bloke with minimal work rate going the other way? I think Merrett probably is (just) but that Paz isn’t.
 
Realistically Parish is worth pick 6 and a trade could get done on day 1 of the trade period.

Reality: dodoro will ask for four firsts and newcombe, and then in the last five minutes of the trade period accept pick 6 for parish.

Then we use pick 6 to pick up a 170cm outside mid with no tank and mental demons 😂
 
owen87 said:
Stringer isn't a true midfielder, he's that 'striker' role they've talked about who moves forward and a true on-baller comes up off the half-forward line. He's a pseudo-midfielder whose offensive value is enough to offer value in a well functioning side. Stringer of the second half of 2021 was more than effective enough offensively at centre bounces to justify the defensive loss.

Richmond used Martin in that role to good effect, largely relying on a guy like Lambert to come up from half-forward to cover his defensive running to allow him to operate offensively. They also had a strong whole-of-team defensive mindset generally.

Parish isn't damaging enough offensively to get away with ignoring the defensive stuff, Stringer (when fit) is.
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Agree in principle, Dustin Martin ‘works’ because they get 4 blokes to cover his defensive running for him and they are very aware of the role they play.

If Stringer is Dusty for us (and that’s a stretch) then Parish is Cotchin and Dusty and Cotchin never had any success as a combination until Cotchin swallowed his ego and got his hands dirty. They were similar to us beforehand in that there was no balance.

As far as I’m concerned it’s just a matter of whether whoever coaches us next year unlocks it or if he goes elsewhere and unlocks it because he is absolutely rolled gold as a first possession winner and distributer.
 
owen87 said:
He's tall, but doesn't use his size the way you think he does. Unlike Brodie.

Brodie's issue was never his clearance work, it was his defensive running. Fremantle needed the clearance work and were a strong side for defensive running.

Setterfield's issue is that he doesn't have the weight to match his height, nor does he use his body around clearances the way we need a big midfielder to use their size. Think of how Langford doesn't really use his size despite being tall for a midfielder, whereas someone like Neale or Adams wrench clearances out at will despite being shorter.
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Setterfield. 192 87kg
Brodie . 190 88kg
Problem with Setterfield is he has been used in multiple positions rather than getting a run as an inside midfielder.
 
Red Black and Blue said:
SEN talking about Parish sighted having coffee with Hawks from two different sources.
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he just proposed to his GF in Fiji, so unless they are at a Cafe in Denarau. The sources are crap.
 
ant555 said:
Setterfield. 192 87kg
Brodie . 190 88kg
Problem with Setterfield is he has been used in multiple positions rather than getting a run as an inside midfielder.
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Id say the 2 are pretty similar

Brodie slightly better inside. Setterfield a much better tank and running ability, probably more impactful by foot aswell
 
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