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[eth-dog]

I mean sure, we could - but why?

Make life too difficult they just make the decision to wait next year. Pick 6 is about right, so I wouldn't muck around. If we could get their 3rd (50) as well that is about right.

Adam Cerra got pick 6 and a F3 last year despite being OOC. Parish is better and contracted so pick 6 and 24 is definitely within the scope of being reasonable.

We only trade him if we get more than what we would next year. If we have a similar year next year we get the same pick anyway.

 

[BrunoV]

I think given he's contracted we could spring the second pick out of them as well, trade 22 and 24 for maybe pick 11-15 and a later pick to cover Davey bids. Have four first round picks in essence and maybe Munkara later on.

We may well take the view that we do don't trade other than for a massive haul but that might as well be saying that we won't trade him.

This board is still trying to have its cake and eat it too when it comes to Parish. He can't be the player worth a massive haul if he's the player we're also prepared to get rid of.

We're prepared to get rid of him because he's an accumulator and that style of midfield play is of little relevance to the modern game as it is played by good teams.

To free up the spot and move on I'd take 24 and a future second, or a future first. I dont see Hawthorn putting pick 6 on the table. It might be able to get its hands on something a bit later and/or something which could form part of an exchange.

I reckon the game is still at odds with itself enough that Parish's worth is considered in the range of 12 to 16.

 

[TheGrizz]

Adam Cerra got pick 6 and a F3 last year despite being OOC. Parish is better and contracted so pick 6 and 24 is definitely within the scope of being reasonable.

We only trade him if we get more than what we would next year. If we have a similar year next year we get the same pick anyway.

...Without the benefit of clearing midfield minutes for Caldwell, Hobbs and Perkins and a full year of development into another top 7 pick.

Forget other deals, dick measuring in trade week does nothing for us, if pick 6 is on the table with maybe a 3rd or so as well you take it imo.

 

[faible]

We may well take the view that we do don't trade other than for a massive haul but that might as well be saying that we won't trade him.

This board is still trying to have its cake and eat it too when it comes to Parish. He can't be the player worth a massive haul if he's the player we're also prepared to get rid of.

We're prepared to get rid of him because he's an accumulator and that style of midfield play is of little relevance to the modern game as it is played by good teams.

To free up the spot and move on I'd take 24 and a future second, or a future first. I dont see Hawthorn putting pick 6 on the table. It might be able to get its hands on something a bit later and/or something which could form part of an exchange.

I reckon the game is still at odds with itself enough that Parish's worth is considered in the range of 12 to 16.

Why would we trade contracted Parish for less than we'd get if we let him leave as an uncontracted FA next year?

If the Hawks won't offer 6, then we might as well hang on to him for a year and let him go as a DFA and get the Top-10 compo pick next year.

 

[eth-dog]

We may well take the view that we do don't trade other than for a massive haul but that might as well be saying that we won't trade him.

This board is still trying to have its cake and eat it too when it comes to Parish. He can't be the player worth a massive haul if he's the player we're also prepared to get rid of.

We're prepared to get rid of him because he's an accumulator and that style of midfield play is of little relevance to the modern game as it is played by good teams.

To free up the spot and move on I'd take 24 and a future second, or a future first. I dont see Hawthorn putting pick 6 on the table. It might be able to get its hands on something a bit later and/or something which could form part of an exchange.

We're prepared to offload him because he's the one who nets us the haul.

When Carlisle left it was the same thing. He was the best player, value for money wise, to get traded that year. Yeah, we blew the pick, but the point still stands.

And as far as the Hawks are concerned, if they rocked up without putting pick 6 on the table they would get laughed out of the room. He's a contracted All Australian from 12 months ago who also finished 5th in the Brownlow, who was taken at pick 5.

...Without the benefit of clearing midfield minutes for Caldwell, Hobbs and Perkins and a full year of development into another top 7 pick.

Forget other deals, dick measuring in trade week does nothing for us, if pick 6 is on the table with maybe a 3rd or so as well you take it imo.

Deals that establish a precedence?

It isn't a dick measuring contest. It's a negotiation. If it ends up as pick 6 and 50 I'd be shocked. I'd throw in an F3 or 4 if that gets pick 24 in any case.

 

[eth-dog]

Richmond apparently in the Hopper race. What would you think they'd have to give up to get both? I reckon 12, 19, F1 with maybe 39 going back to them

 

[Zach Package]

The only thing on this, which supports your point anyway, is that Stocker could be genuinely elite by foot.

Look at it this way, 6 footers who are not quick don't play at half back unless they can kick.

Yeah I’m not as complimentary of Stocker by foot but he has good penetration which is more than half the battle I think and he’s not really slow hand to foot.

Has scope, for sure, I can’t really fathom why they would persist with someone like Marchbank or Philp but call time on Stocker’s development.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Darcy Parish

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Darcy Parish

Age

27

Ht

180cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.4

5star

K

9.2

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

3.3

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.0

3star

CL

3.1

4star

D

22.2

5star

K

7.6

3star

HB

14.6

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

is 7th for contested possessions and 10th in clearances this year. If he were just an accumulator he'd be someone like Andrew Brayshaw

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Andrew Brayshaw

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.3

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

2.1

4star

D

18.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

3.1

4star

D

12.6

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

.

I'm not sure what people are thinking, try and replace him with a cross between Cripps/Dangerfield/Judd all in one? Maybe a David Myers

David Myers

Age

35

Ht

191cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.0

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

3.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

14.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.2

5star

with Dangerfield athleticism.

Considering our midfield draftees over the past 10 years have been:

Hobbs
Perkins ( not a mid but what the hell )
McGrath
Parish
Langford : )
Merrett
Melksham
Kavanagh
Myers

The chances of us getting anyone better than him is slim to none.

Good for a laugh though as we've already anointed Hobbs and Caldwell to be superstar midfielders similar to how McGrath was going to be a superstar and Langford was going to be an inside mid, etc, etc

 

[Vander18]

Darcy Parish is 7th for contested possessions and 10th in clearances this year. If he were just an accumulator he'd be someone like Andrew Brayshaw.

I'm not sure what people are thinking, try and replace him with a cross between Cripps/Dangerfield/Judd all in one? Maybe a David Myers with Dangerfield athleticism.

Considering our midfield draftees over the past 10 years have been:

Hobbs
Perkins ( not a mid but what the hell )
McGrath
Parish
Langford : )
Merrett
Melksham
Kavanagh
Myers

The chances of us getting anyone better than him is slim to none.

Good for a laugh though as we've already anointed Hobbs and Caldwell to be superstar midfielders similar to how McGrath was going to be a superstar and Langford was going to be an inside mid, etc, etc

It’s not really about any one player though…..it’s about fixing what is a poorly constructed midfield unit.

Right now the whole is less than the sum of its parts.

 

[BrunoV]

Why would we trade contracted Parish for less than we'd get if we let him leave as an uncontracted FA next year?

If the Hawks won't offer 6, then we might as well hang on to him for a year and let him go as a DFA and get the Top-10 compo pick next year.

How do you know what he gets us next year?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Hawks are not ready to compete for finals next season so why part with pick 6 now when they can wait a year and get him for free?

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Darcy Parish is 7th for contested possessions and 10th in clearances this year. If he were just an accumulator he'd be someone like Andrew Brayshaw.

I'm not sure what people are thinking, try and replace him with a cross between Cripps/Dangerfield/Judd all in one? Maybe a David Myers with Dangerfield athleticism.

Considering our midfield draftees over the past 10 years have been:

Hobbs
Perkins ( not a mid but what the hell )
McGrath
Parish
Langford : )
Merrett
Melksham
Kavanagh
Myers

The chances of us getting anyone better than him is slim to none.

Good for a laugh though as we've already anointed Hobbs and Caldwell to be superstar midfielders similar to how McGrath was going to be a superstar and Langford was going to be an inside mid, etc, etc

Andrew Brayshaw is a far better player than Parish.

 

[Bjchan13]

Hawks are not ready to compete for finals next season so why part with pick 6 now when they can wait a year and get him for free?

Its not as simple as that. A lot can change in a year. If they want him now and see him as gettable now they will go for it. There are no guarantees he's available to them next year.

 

[BrunoV]

Andrew Brayshaw is a far better player than Parish.

Imagine how much more of the ball he'd get if he did nothing but kick chase.

 

[Zach Package]

Imagine how much more of the ball he'd get if he did nothing but kick chase.

Imagine if they swapped placed and Brayshaw was a little pudding and Parish was shredded and armed with by far the best running program in the AFL.

 

[BrunoV]

Imagine if they swapped placed and Brayshaw was a little pudding and Parish was shredded and armed with by far the best running program in the AFL.

Brayshaw would be an overrated plodding accumulator and Parish would be a gun 2-way hard ball specialist with the run to be damaging on the spread?

I'm not sure I understand the point.

Parish doesn't follow instructions based on what ant has been saying. If he could be the player Brayshaw is he would be.

Not everything is the result of Essndon having off field problems. There is also a philosophical issue at play. Brisbane doesn't have any 2 way mids but they also play guys who can stand up in a tackle.

 

[Zach Package]

Brayshaw would be an overrated plodding accumulator and Parish would be a gun 2-way hard ball specialist with the run to play outside?

I'm not sure I understand the point.

Parish doesn't follow instructions based on what ant has been saying. If he could be the player Brayshaw is he would be.

Parish would be weaponised and Brayshaw wouldn’t.

Parish would still have an attitude problem but there wouldn’t be a comparison, the point is essentially nature v nurture.

 

[Bjchan13]

Richmond apparently in the Hopper race. What would you think they'd have to give up to get both? I reckon 12, 19, F1 with maybe 39 going back to them

Never ending cycle with GWS. Id be spewing losing Hopper and Taranto for 12, 19 and lets call it 15. They really have no one to blame but themselves by picking too many inside mids and mismanaging their cap. Pretty sure they're losing Bruhn too.

 

[Mercurial89]

Imagine if they swapped placed and Brayshaw was a little pudding and Parish was shredded and armed with by far the best running program in the AFL.

On that vein, who implemented the Dockers fitness program? Relic from Lyon years or Longmuire?

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Andrew Brayshaw is a far better player than Parish.

Andrew Brayshaw plays outside, similar style to Brent Stanton but better kick and pace.

Darcy Parish plays inside.

 

[BrunoV]

Parish would be weaponised and Brayshaw wouldn’t.

Parish would still have an attitude problem but there wouldn’t be a comparison, the point is essentially nature v nurture.

See my edit.

You can't nurture an average runner into a good runner.

You also can't nurture a build that doesn't have strength and power through the hips.

Parish was never a hard ball specialist (I use the term to differentiate from contested ball because I care not for loose ball gets and ruck sharks).

You can nurture the likes of Bont and Fyfe into dominant stoppage breaking players because they have the natural physical attributes.

Neale and Adams, 2 players Parish is usually compared with, have played the game absorbing physical heat from day 1.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

It’s not really about any one player though…..it’s about fixing what is a poorly constructed midfield unit.

Right now the whole is less than the sum of its parts.

And we have recruited Hobbs for that exact part and we have another crack at a top 5 mid. Shiel is at the end so you are effectively saying having Merrett and Parish in the same team is not going to work when you look at the top teams they have lots of players that can go through there of various styles.

 

[Milanista28]

Gold coast and GWS will have huge draft hands, I can see them both moving up to pick 1 and 2, I think North and West coast will trade their picks.

 

[faible]

If he were just an accumulator he'd be someone like Andrew Brayshaw .

Andrew Brayshaw plays outside, similar style to Brent Stanton but better kick and pace.

Darcy Parish plays inside.

Keep digging kelvin. It's already clear you've never actually watched Fremantle play.

How do you know what he gets us next year?

Parish will almost certainly get a Band 1 compo offer, ergo, we receive a first round selection immediately after ours. Given we're likely to finish outside the 8, that's around a Top-10 selection.

Absolutely no reason whatsoever to trade him for a couple of seconds.

 

[andleanback]

Andrew Brayshaw plays outside, similar style to Brent Stanton but better kick and pace.

Darcy Parish plays inside.

Mate just stop