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[Yoda_]

Well

Well clubs need to get their s**t in order to be players .
Blues finally managed to attract players. Saints attracted players.
I personally do not think it I an issue.
Not like one side is winning the comp every year .

Carlton underperformed significantly this year so probably a counter intuitive argument there after spending 23 weeks in the 8.


As mentioned, this was not a directive at us, just a directive at another equalisation measure the AFL supposedly has in place.

 

[faible]

How many 200 cm back flankers are playing the game ?
Even if he does play flank he will out mark anyone he does play on .

Nick Blakey closest type?

 

[Yoda_]

Agree 100% we missed out big time the last few years at addressing our inside mid stocks. Went for the shiny item in Dunkley while missing out on Hewett, Brodie and Dunstan who were all dirt cheap.

Also messed up the maximum value of countless players we could have traded which has bitten us. Francis, Ham and Langford are the three latest we should have got value from.

Not a huge fan of our 2020-2021 drafting either tbh.
Happy with Hobbs and Perkins although I don’t believe either of the two will be elite A grade players. Reid I have hopes for but his still developing and has struggled with injury. Looking back at it now we should have picked O’Driscoll which many on this board were calling for.

Cox, has talent but seems to be another back flanker which we have an over abundance off. Can he play second Ruck?

Eyre and Brand are developing slowly due to the lack of our midfield at VFL level. Brand has shown signs as both have cemented places in the backline. Was a mistake drafting Reid/Cox while we had these two connected to our academy. Not sold on Alistair Lord yet but has shown glimpses. McDounagh was a useless pick and we all knew it.

We’ve since taken Voss and Baldwin as further possible key position talent in the rookie draft. Both showed talent at VFL level.
Have been impressed with our recruitment during the mid season draft. Durham and Ambrissio both look like talents while menzie has potential.

For 2023 we have to make maximum value from Zerk-Thatcher and Parish come trade time. If we finish bottom four in 2023, we get a top 5 pick for parish in a stacked draft. Zerks shown improvement but Reid, Cox, Brand and Eyre should all be vying to play key defence by 2024. We need to continue bringing in talent but we need to get in a new set of eyes in recruitment.

Wishlist for the 2022 off season
Jack Bytel St Kilda
Liam Stocker Carlton
Tom Phillips Hawthorn
Toby Bedford Melbourne

4- Harry Sheezel
22- Issac Keeler
40- Alwyn Davey
58- Anthony Munkara
78- Jaden Davey

I feel like you and I are on the same page in regards to where we have managed the list. Zerk is probably the perfect example of how we have managed the list in 2 decades. Zerk is a 5.5/10 key defender, easily replaceable via trade or draft one early. We are so enamoured by good football we are desperate to hold onto the, See Laverde's contract (3 years is to much imho), Langford's locked in 4 years is 1 to much especially for a player who has NEVEr played more than 18 games in a season and only finished highly in our B&F once (2021 - fourth) is a sign of that desperation.


As you so eloquently pointed out, both role players that can easily be replaced via shrewd FA or trades should another club chase there signatures. Parish will be the big one in 2023. I wouldn't match a bid and let him walk, allow us to reset and re balance the midfield but Dodo probably wants to keep him at all costs, cause, he can football.



Anyways, my dream off season would be;

Pick 22 for Bowes and pick 7
Jack Bytel for peanuts
Riley Collier Dawkins for peanuts
Aaron Cadman at pick 4
Elijah Hewitt/ Cam MCKenzie/ Bailey Humphrey at pick 7
Match a bid for Alwyn Davey Jnr
Match a bid for Jayden Davey

Jaxon Binns in the rookie draft

Matt Foley or Anthony Munkara as a Cat B rookie


fill in the rest however more informed than I see fit but that would be a reasonable start.

 

[footyfanatic111]

don't see it.
reckon it's us or North. We'll both pay the coin. 800k is nothing to sneeze at for a couple of years.
North have the additional futures, so could take the salary dump, pick up 7 and have a player (as stipulated)

They’re also bringing in Logue on good money

Tucker and potentially hunter clark who would be on decent money also

 

[Yoda_]

How many 200 cm back flankers are playing the game ?
Even if he does play flank he will out mark anyone he does play on .

If you are good enough, said club finds a role(s) for them

 

[ant555]

Carlton underperformed significantly this year so probably a counter intuitive argument there after spending 23 weeks in the 8.


As mentioned, this was not a directive at us, just a directive at another equalisation measure the AFL supposedly has in place.

Have Carlton been a top side ? No. Have they been in the 8 ? no.
Did they attract players they wanted over the last 2 seasons ? yes.
What they did this year does not come into it as they where not a top side prior to this year.
In the last 20 seasons 14 of the 18 clubs have played in at least 1 GF and there have been 8 sides win a GF.
The other fact is it does not always give you an advantage. Even if the Cats can win this year they have had plenty of chances but have not got it done.
I would say equalization in the AFL is very good compared to other major sports.

 

[ant555]

Nick Blakey closest type?

Probably the closest yes.

 

[Yoda_]

Have Carlton been a top side ? No. Have they been in the 8 ? no.
Did they attract players they wanted over the last 2 seasons ? yes.
What they did this year does not come into it as they where not a top side prior to this year.
In the last 20 seasons 14 of the 18 clubs have played in at least 1 GF and there have been 8 sides win a GF.
The other fact is it does not always give you an advantage. Even if the Cats can win this year they have had plenty of chances but have not got it done.
I would say equalization in the AFL is very good compared to other major sports.

Carlton have obviously used there leverage as a 'big club' like us smartly for once in recent memory.


As I mentioned in the original post about FA, a fair chunk of best 22 players from lower teams seem to want to get to top teams. Them the facts. [this is not directed at us but at the competition as a whole!!].

 

[ant555]

If you are good enough, said club finds a role(s) for them

Not even sure where you are going with that.

He had a good first year. He had an injury interrupted pre season and then was playing in a side playing poor footy and learning to play a tough role.
If they play him back or forward he will be fine.

 

[Yoda_]

Not even sure where you are going with that.

He had a good first year. He had an injury interrupted pre season and then was playing in a side playing poor footy and learning to play a tough role.
If they play him back or forward he will be fine.

sounded like a dig at him playing HB. We are probably on the same page (re Cox), if he is good enough he plays.

 

[ant555]

Carlton have obviously used there leverage as a 'big club' like us smartly for once in recent memory.


As I mentioned in the original post about FA, a fair chunk of best 22 players from lower teams seem to want to get to top teams. Them the facts. [this is not directed at us but at the competition as a whole!!].

And I am saying so what. It has not given 2 or 3 clubs a free ride to dominate the competition in the last 20 years.

 

[Yoda_]

And I am saying so what. It has not given 2 or 3 clubs a free ride to dominate the competition in the last 20 years.

May not have helped top teams but it has certainly kept a foothold of those bottom teams from gaining an advantage back on the teams they are chasing

 

[ant555]

May not have helped top teams but it has certainly kept a foothold of those bottom teams from gaining an advantage back on the teams they are chasing

I think you read too much into it.
There is no way you can give everyone a turn. Sides work their way up or circumstances change. I could even throw the Tigers in that bracket. For years they where a mess. They built a decent list via the draft and small fish and then attracted a few players at the end of 2016 to topped them off.
short of the AFL running all clubs then there will always be basket cases.
Prior to the current blow up North looked like attracting players with the gun coach there despite the being a basket case.
Players will always want to go to top sides. it is up to clubs to make sure they get into the window at some stage.

 

[citizen-erased]

I feel like you and I are on the same page in regards to where we have managed the list. Zerk is probably the perfect example of how we have managed the list in 2 decades. Zerk is a 5.5/10 key defender, easily replaceable via trade or draft one early. We are so enamoured by good football we are desperate to hold onto the, See Laverde's contract (3 years is to much imho), Langford's locked in 4 years is 1 to much especially for a player who has NEVEr played more than 18 games in a season and only finished highly in our B&F once (2021 - fourth) is a sign of that desperation.


As you so eloquently pointed out, both role players that can easily be replaced via shrewd FA or trades should another club chase there signatures. Parish will be the big one in 2023. I wouldn't match a bid and let him walk, allow us to reset and re balance the midfield but Dodo probably wants to keep him at all costs, cause, he can football.



Anyways, my dream off season would be;

Pick 22 for Bowes and pick 7
Jack Bytel for peanuts
Riley Collier Dawkins for peanuts
Aaron Cadman at pick 4
Elijah Hewitt/ Cam MCKenzie/ Bailey Humphrey at pick 7
Match a bid for Alwyn Davey Jnr
Match a bid for Jayden Davey

Jaxon Binns in the rookie draft

Matt Foley or Anthony Munkara as a Cat B rookie


fill in the rest however more informed than I see fit but that would be a reasonable start.

Surely binns isnt slipping to the rookie draft?

 

[ant555]

Surely binns isnt slipping to the rookie draft?

Not from what I have seen.

 

[Yoda_]

I think you read too much into it.
There is no way you can give everyone a turn. Sides work their way up or circumstances change. I could even throw the Tigers in that bracket. For years they where a mess. They built a decent list via the draft and small fish and then attracted a few players at the end of 2016 to topped them off.
short of the AFL running all clubs then there will always be basket cases.
Prior to the current blow up North looked like attracting players with the gun coach there despite the being a basket case.
Players will always want to go to top sides. it is up to clubs to make sure they get into the window at some stage.

Isn't the NFL ruling the top teams can't acquire free agents? we should be doing something the NFL does smartly, not dumb shit like broadcast a players fart because America does it

 

[Yoda_]

Surely binns isnt slipping to the rookie draft?

pipe dream I know, dream off season

 

[ant555]

Isn't the NFL ruling the top teams can't acquire free agents? we should be doing something the NFL does smartly, not dumb s**t like broadcast a players fart because America does it

NFL does have a decent spread of Super Bowl winners but they also have plenty of perennial losers.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I think you read too much into it.
There is no way you can give everyone a turn. Sides work their way up or circumstances change. I could even throw the Tigers in that bracket. For years they where a mess. They built a decent list via the draft and small fish and then attracted a few players at the end of 2016 to topped them off.
short of the AFL running all clubs then there will always be basket cases.
Prior to the current blow up North looked like attracting players with the gun coach there despite the being a basket case.
Players will always want to go to top sides. it is up to clubs to make sure they get into the window at some stage.

I think they've got it wrong. Between 2001 and 2007 15 teams made a prelim. Last 7 years only 11 teams have. Partially the new teams to blame, but the AFL can't expand to the detriment of some clubs and then bring in mechanisms like FA to enrich others.

Personally I think they need to be more liberal with the allocation of priority picks to compensate and also make teams pay full price for father sons/academies.

 

[Godzke]

We did Gold Coast a favour by taking Peter Wright's contract off their hands. They owe us.

Bowes + $300k pa salary contribution and #7 for Pick #40

 

[Yoda_]

We did Gold Coast a favour by taking Peter Wright's contract off their hands. They owe us.

Bowes + $300k pa salary contribution and #7 for Pick #40

Gold Coast already have picks 25, 31, 34 so doubt they want another second/third rounder

 

[Godzke]

Gold Coast already have picks 25, 31, 34 so doubt they want another second/third rounder

so package a deal
still scratching my head at how we were never interested in Will Brodie

 

[doug85]

Every time a player that goes to another club and ends up being good = we weren’t interested in them

 

[mike14]

Isn't the NFL ruling the top teams can't acquire free agents? we should be doing something the NFL does smartly, not dumb s**t like broadcast a players fart because America does it

I don't follow NFL closely, but this doesn't sound like something American sports would embrace, especially for unrestricted free agents. The whole point is to make it UFA status so you can get paid the big $$ while choosing where you play. If you put limiters on what teams could sign players it would throw the whole CBA out the window

 

[Bjchan13]

Not on that salary. If he does it will not involve pick 7 as GC will be paying a decent part of his wage.

If Bowes does want to join Geelong though they can just restructure his deal and spread out the money over more years. He has to take a pay cut long term in this situation as Geelongs pay structure is notoriously strict, but some may choose success and lifestyle over money. Id hope we are in his managers ear and offering not only to take on his full wage but extend it by another 2 years and 900k. Would end up being restructured to 4 x 650k.

GC- Bowes, 7, 34
Ess- F2, F3