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[TheGrizz]

Isn't the NFL ruling the top teams can't acquire free agents? we should be doing something the NFL does smartly, not dumb s**t like broadcast a players fart because America does it

No, that's not true at all.

The Cincinnati Bengals just handed out $100m worth of contracts after just making the super bowl this year.

The only limit to FA spending in the NFL is your cap space.

 

[foj1]

My discontent is not necessarily directed towards us but at the competition as a whole

that is wasted energy
rutten gone and campbell gone are good things
review will share uncomfortable truths and the coaching appointment will have been made with process this time
i think this is the first time in a long time the bombers are living in reality
we need dodoro dismissed
Sheedy off the board and hope that pick 4 turns into a generational player

 

[Yoda_]

No, that's not true at all.

The Cincinnati Bengals just handed out $100m worth of contracts after just making the super bowl this year.

The only limit to FA spending in the NFL is your cap space.

Yep, thought I heard it somewhere, obviously got that one wrong.

 

[ant555]

I think they've got it wrong. Between 2001 and 2007 15 teams made a prelim. Last 7 years only 11 teams have. Partially the new teams to blame, but the AFL can't expand to the detriment of some clubs and then bring in mechanisms like FA to enrich others.

Personally I think they need to be more liberal with the allocation of priority picks to compensate and also make teams pay full price for father sons/academies.

I would agree it could use fine tuning. I would not mind if bottom sides got a mid first round priority pick. So a side like North that wins 2 games gets a pick at 10. Obviously it would not apply to sides that have a big fall like the Pies last year or the Eagles this year. Would have to be based on a couple of seasons.
Would also not argue if sides that finished bottom 5 for a few seasons got an extra second round pick.

 

[Vindicater]

The way to stop free agency taking from the poor to give to the rich is changing how the compensation happens.

 

[ant555]

The way to stop free agency taking from the poor to give to the rich is changing how the compensation happens.

It is not really FA that people are most concerned about I suspect. It is more the likes of Bruhn nominating Geelong or Taranto and Hopper nominating Richmond . The non FA factor but seems to have been grouped in with FA.

 

[citizen-erased]

It is not really FA that people are most concerned about I suspect. It is more the likes of Bruhn nominating Geelong or Taranto and Hopper nominating Richmond . The non FA factor but seems to have been grouped in with FA.

Tigers I get. Theyre mid table, window is closing. Teams have historically attracted in that range. Player sees a good jump to a club with cash as ageing playera retire, structures still in place and low teens picks can be involved.

We've snagged a bit in that range.

FA comp could change to deduct the points from the club signing the player. I.e pies lose equivalent points of mcstay from their draft picks. If they've traded out of that round, comes off the following years.

Bruhn/henry to geelong is hard to stop. But id argue thats where, in time, when GWS and GCS no longer have the luxury of pick packages to lean on they'll be a little more conservative with the pick trades.
Its also where i think players shouldnt be able to nominate for the psd unless delisted.

 

[ant555]

Isn't the NFL ruling the top teams can't acquire free agents? we should be doing something the NFL does smartly, not dumb s**t like broadcast a players fart because America does it

So how does stopping the top clubs from taking free agents from the bottom ones stop Geelong from getting Bruhn and Bowes or Richmond from getting Taranto and Hopper ? Or Cameron to Geelong for that matter. That has all been trade.
Last years FA moves.
Kelly to Essendon.
Hewett to Carlton.
Chol to GC
O'Brien to WB
Dunstan to Saints
Greenwood to North
2020
Atkins to GC
Crouch to Saints
Daniher to Brisbane
Williams to Carlton
Smith to Geelong
Corr to North
McKernan to the Saints

Most of the stuff you have been questioning have been trades.

 

[Zach Package]

If the Cats do want to go all in with Bowes and Henry and whoever else I’d try to nick Menegola.

Highly, highly underrated footballer in a position we lack. Strong mark, strong runner, strong defensive mindset.

 

[Yoda_]

If the Cats do want to go all in with Bowes and Henry and whoever else I’d try to nick Menegola.

Highly, highly underrated footballer in a position we lack. Strong mark, strong runner, strong defensive mindset.

Id almost argue Parfitt is as under rated as Menegola, defensive mid who could help pad out the midfield

 

[Zach Package]

Id almost argue Parfitt is as under rated as Menegola, defensive mid who could help pad out the midfield

But we have small mids in spades, we don’t have aerobic animals that can patrol a wing and invert inside if required.

In terms of needs it’s Menegola, daylight, then more daylight then Parfitt.

 

[naraku]

Ratouglea, Narkle, Menegola are possibly up for grabs , might be able to get involved with the Bruhn move unless GWS want any of those included.

 

[crackers65]

But we have small mids in spades, we don’t have aerobic animals that can patrol a wing and invert inside if required.

In terms of needs it’s Menegola, daylight, then more daylight then Parfitt.

Geelong don’t let good players go. Menegola is not that good and is very selective about going hard. Takes a lot of short steps.

 

[Mikevk123]

Sacking the recruiters and list management team should be our first priority. Awful contracts to average players, weird speculative picks and failure to get value from our players at there peak.

 

[Vindicater]

Ratouglea, Narkle, Menegola are possibly up for grabs , might be able to get involved with the Bruhn move unless GWS want any of those included.

Of those I would want Narkle most.

 

[Godzke]

Sacking the recruiters and list management team should be our first priority. Awful contracts to average players, weird speculative picks and failure to get value from our players at there peak.

I don't think we've given out awful contracts when you consider some of the fire sales other clubs have been forced to go through. I'm certainly not lauding our recruiting department, but in fairness we have never better the farm. Even with Shiel we chose not to match higher offers from other clubs and back ourselves in to land him. So we need to give our list management team credit for that. Hence why we have as much salary cap space now as any club.

 

[Vindicater]

Get into Logan McDonalds ear...

 

[Godzke]

But we have small mids in spades, we don’t have aerobic animals that can patrol a wing and invert inside if required.

In terms of needs it’s Menegola, daylight, then more daylight then Parfitt.

Yes I'd agree Menegola is someone we should go after, albeit has a year to run at Geelong.

Not sure if he'd want to leave though. Geelong had a healthy list at the end of the year and he was basically the next sub option after Parfitt

 

[Mikevk123]

I don't think we've given out awful contracts when you consider some of the fire sales other clubs have been forced to go through. I'm certainly not lauding our recruiting department, but in fairness we have never better the farm. Even with Shiel we chose not to match higher offers from other clubs and back ourselves in to land him. So we need to give our list management team credit for that. Hence why we have as much salary cap space now as any club.

We just re-signed Langford for four years when he’s only played more than 18 games once in his career. We would have gotten decent compensation if he took Hawthorns offer. We also signed Laverde for another three years. He’s lucky to even be in our best 22. We gave Kelly three years last year and he’s at best average.

Smiths contract extension when he was Clearly cooked, Stewart getting two years. Not getting value out of Ham and Francis at peak value are also common practices which has cost us.

 

[Godzke]

We just re-signed Langford for four years when he’s only played more than 18 games once in his career. We would have gotten decent compensation if he took Hawthorns offer. We also signed Laverde for another three years. He’s lucky to even be in our best 22. We gave Kelly three years last year and he’s at best average.

Smiths contract extension when he was Clearly cooked, Stewart getting two years. Not getting value out of Ham and Francis at peak value are also common practices which has cost us.

Questionable tenors for some, yes, but at what cost? How much per annum? Have we bet the house on them? No we haven't.

Once again ... not great decisions but not "awful" decisions when you look at what has happened at Collingwood, Gold Coast and GWS. Or even Carlton wtih Zac Williams.

 

[Mikevk123]

Questionable tenors for some, yes, but at what cost? How much per annum? Have we bet the house on them? No we haven't.

Once again ... not great decisions but not "awful" decisions when you look at what has happened at Collingwood, Gold Coast and GWS. Or even Carlton wtih Zac Williams.

Langford deserved two years at best or he should have walked. Laverde only one. Another second rounder would have helped us get another first in front of the Davey pick.

Thought we were rebuilding, which seems the club has backflipped on. We won’t get anywhere with the recruiters and people running the show.

 

[cAsEy_18]

Zaharakis the only really notable “bad” contract I think we’ve had recently.

Remember thinking he was just starting to show signs of beginning the downwards slope, and we’ve gave him 4 years (Might be a bit of revisionist history, might’ve been after the first year of that deal - but 4 years was too long).

Somewhat on topic, and again relevant watching Geelong today. Our “older” guys of recent years have aged terribly.
Heppell looks near finished as has only just ticked past 30. Zaharakis looked done by 30. Hurley an exception, many reasons there. Hooker, the finish came quickly.
We struggle to have guys still actually being contributing players pretty much as soon as they tick over 30, if not earlier.

 

[footyfanatic111]

Zaharakis the only really notable “bad” contract I think we’ve had recently.

Remember thinking he was just starting to show signs of beginning the downwards slope, and we’ve gave him 4 years (Might be a bit of revisionist history, might’ve been after the first year of that deal - but 4 years was too long).

Somewhat on topic, and again relevant watching Geelong today. Our “older” guys of recent years have aged terribly.
Heppell looks near finished as has only just ticked past 30. Zaharakis looked done by 30. Hurley an exception, many reasons there. Hooker, the finish came quickly.
We struggle to have guys still actually being contributing players pretty much as soon as they tick over 30, if not earlier.

We need Fletcher back probably still show the boys how to do it

 

[MattyB3150]

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Zaharakis the only really notable “bad” contract I think we’ve had recently.

Remember thinking he was just starting to show signs of beginning the downwards slope, and we’ve gave him 4 years (Might be a bit of revisionist history, might’ve been after the first year of that deal - but 4 years was too long).

Somewhat on topic, and again relevant watching Geelong today. Our “older” guys of recent years have aged terribly.
Heppell looks near finished as has only just ticked past 30. Zaharakis looked done by 30. Hurley an exception, many reasons there. Hooker, the finish came quickly.
We struggle to have guys still actually being contributing players pretty much as soon as they tick over 30, if not earlier.

een thinking that gif years. Heppell is younger then most of that premiership winning team.

 

[eth-dog]

Zaharakis the only really notable “bad” contract I think we’ve had recently.

Remember thinking he was just starting to show signs of beginning the downwards slope, and we’ve gave him 4 years (Might be a bit of revisionist history, might’ve been after the first year of that deal - but 4 years was too long).

Somewhat on topic, and again relevant watching Geelong today. Our “older” guys of recent years have aged terribly.
Heppell looks near finished as has only just ticked past 30. Zaharakis looked done by 30. Hurley an exception, many reasons there. Hooker, the finish came quickly.
We struggle to have guys still actually being contributing players pretty much as soon as they tick over 30, if not earlier.

It is. The year he signed the extension he had arguably his career best year and the year after he was pretty good too. The last 3 years were a slope downhill.