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[carnthedons]

doppleFranger..?

 

[Vander18]

how many nominal future #1s in the under age year stay that way the year later and not get overtaken?

Probably a few….but how many of them looked like the best player on the park playing as a bottom ager at the National Champs?

 

[citizen-erased]

Probably a few….but how many of them looked like the best player on the park playing as a bottom ager at the National Champs?

this time last year I seem to recall Wardlaw was already on the radar
And I think there was a bit of hype around Ashcroft too.

Wasn't the strongest crop last year, and I think we did incredibly well to snag Hobbs from it.

 

[The Prosecutor]

As I understand it, there is one guy, Wardlaw, among the top 5 who is renowned for a hard edge and competitiveness.

History suggests Mahoney places a premium on that attribute and that Dodoro doesn't.

Even last year we were almost certainly recruiting Sinn until Port took him. Who knows where we'd be if Hobbs didn't slide.

Lets say the top 5 are all 90/100 prospects. Other than Wardlaw, they largely compound our midfield problem.

It then becomes a question of whether you reach for a guy who might be 85/100 with 4 to get what you want or whether you consider 2 x 80/100 players who will be available later on the draft.

I dont event think the numbers are necessarily an accurate reflection as it is more likely there is an overlapping range.

I'd trade down, every day of the week. It is also how I read what Mahoney said. It's not something Dodoro has ever done. Balance of a team is not something Dodoro has ever done.

The draft documentary the AFL released clearly showed us as the draft was unfolding hoping that Hobbs would continue sliding to us and he was our preference all along.

 

[doug85]

how many nominal future #1s in the under age year stay that way the year later and not get overtaken?

Not sure about #1s, but there’s a few from this list that won’t be near the first round:

 

[Runk]

What did he say about Hawthorn?

No idea?

 

[TheGrizz]

The 'Ken effect' is real, cash is king: Six lessons from the Trade Period

Cal Twomey looks at the key takeouts from the 2022 Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period

www.afl.com.au

Essendon has said it would be aggressive in the market and use its ample salary cap space, and offered to take contracted pair Brayden Fiorini

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Brayden Fiorini

Age

27

Ht

187cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.9

5star

K

13.9

5star

HB

9.1

5star

M

4.7

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

2.9

4star

D

16.3

4star

K

11.0

4star

HB

5.3

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.7

3star

CL

0.7

3star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.2

4star

HB

11.0

5star

M

4.6

5star

T

4.2

5star

CL

3.2

5star

and Alex Sexton

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Alex Sexton

Age

31

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

316.2

4star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.3

3star

HB

2.3

2star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.9

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

off the Suns for pick No.5. But the Suns, having executed the Bowes and pick No.7 deal knowing No.5 was coming through the door, weren't doing that.

So umm...... what?

 

[faible]

The 'Ken effect' is real, cash is king: Six lessons from the Trade Period

Cal Twomey looks at the key takeouts from the 2022 Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period

www.afl.com.au

Essendon has said it would be aggressive in the market and use its ample salary cap space, and offered to take contracted pair Brayden Fiorini and Alex Sexton off the Suns for pick No.5. But the Suns, having executed the Bowes and pick No.7 deal knowing No.5 was coming through the door, weren't doing that.

So umm...... what?

How about this doozy? Except Geelong apparently couldn't afford him given his contract was renegotiated and the amount spread out over extra years...

Gold Coast attached pick No.7 to Jack Bowes and created a market for the player and his back-ended deal, worth more than $1.6 million over the next two years. It meant only clubs with salary cap space could be in the race for him, given the Suns needed to get his money off their books and took this chance to clear the decks.

 

[Lore]

How about this doozy? Except Geelong apparently couldn't afford him given his contract was renegotiated and the amount spread out over extra years...

They paid pick 7 to get the salary and the player off their books... ultimately it doesn't matter to them whether the player is ultimately paid the money owed, as long as they're not paying it. Feels like a problem for the AFLPA tbh.

The AFL's equalisation stuff has a raft of issues beyond this one.

 

[faible]

They paid pick 7 to get the salary and the player off their books... ultimately it doesn't matter to them whether the player is ultimately paid the money owed, as long as they're not paying it. Feels like a problem for the AFLPA tbh.

The AFL's equalisation stuff has a raft of issues beyond this one.

The issue isn't the ex-Gold Coast side of the trade (though I'd argue they could have offloaded Bowes for a hell of a lot less) it's that Geelong were able to take on a heavily lopsided salary dump trade, but not actually have to honour the salary cap implications of the original contract.

 

[citizen-erased]

They paid pick 7 to get the salary and the player off their books... ultimately it doesn't matter to them whether the player is ultimately paid the money owed, as long as they're not paying it. Feels like a problem for the AFLPA tbh.

The AFL's equalisation stuff has a raft of issues beyond this one.

there is an integrity issue if the AFL is going to allow lopsided pick swaps when the salary impose isn't also taken on

Bowes is happy
GCS is happy
Geelong is happy

Rest of the comp need to bang on the AFL's door if they're not. But suspect a few are thinking this may come in handy next year.

 

[ILikeCheese]

RCD delisted by Richmond. Liked him in his draft year

 

[ScrappyCoCo]

RCD delisted by Richmond. Liked him in his draft year

It's a shame. He was from my local club and captained my oldest in U15s so we had an interest in his career. He was a bit of a speculative pick...big bodied mid who was a bit raw (My mate coached him for a bit, and so did leggie Bryce McGain). Clubs looking for the next Bont I guess.

 

[Mootsy]

but who's going to be our dustin martin, our dangerfield if you will..

 

[citizen-erased]

but who's going to be our dustin martin, our dangerfield if you will..

they're not in every draft.
I think there's something in Perkins. Has size, has strength and lateral movement. a bit more Pendles than Danger, but stronger and more a forward threat.

We just need to harness and develop that.

 

[Scottie65]

they're not in every draft.
I think there's something in Perkins. Has size, has strength and lateral movement. a bit more Pendles than Danger, but stronger and more a forward threat.

We just need to harness and develop that.

Nic Martins to obvious choice for me as the bombers next superstar … he has it all in spades…. Needs to be developed … he could be anything

 

[brain taylor]

I'd look at RCD as a cheap, big mid

 

[brain taylor]

The 'Ken effect' is real, cash is king: Six lessons from the Trade Period

Cal Twomey looks at the key takeouts from the 2022 Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period

www.afl.com.au

Essendon has said it would be aggressive in the market and use its ample salary cap space, and offered to take contracted pair Brayden Fiorini and Alex Sexton off the Suns for pick No.5. But the Suns, having executed the Bowes and pick No.7 deal knowing No.5 was coming through the door, weren't doing that.

So umm...... what?

is "the ken effect" thrown in specifically to troll the port board or something?

 

[citizen-erased]

I'd look at RCD as a cheap, big mid

that was Setterfield, who is better than RCD imo.

Outside burning a spot on Bytel, not sure i'd bother with any more off-cut mids.

 

[ILikeCheese]

that was Setterfield, who is better than RCD imo.

Outside burning a spot on Bytel, not sure i'd bother with any more off-cut mids.

Andy Maher mentioning we’re still into Stocker, wonder if it’d be for a train on role and even then midfield depth or tough nut back pocket?

 

[Mikevk123]

I’d trade both 4 and 22.

Melbourne- 4 and 68
Essendon- 13, F1(Melb) and F2(Melb)

GWS- 13(Ess), 22(Ess), 44(Frem), and F3(Ess)
Essendon- 15(GWS), 18(GWS), 31(GWS) and 53(Rich)
Fremantle- 54(Ess), 61(GWS)
Richmond- 62(Ess), 72(Ess)

15 Jacob Konstanty
18 Ollie Hotton
31 Alwyn Davey

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53 Anthony Munkara
F1- Melb
F2- Melb

 

[Corleone]

The only scenario I could accept trading out pick 4 this year would be if North or Hawthorn were silly enough to offer their F1.

As it stands both seem in the gun for the spoon next year and Harley Reid is ... Well ... Crazy. Plus if we did that and Parish left and we received band 1 compensation we'd all of a sudden have three first round picks at the pointy end of a very strong draft.

Sigh ... It won't happen, here's hoping Wardlaw is available or we pick Clarke is he's gone

 

[footyfanatic111]

I’d trade both 4 and 22.

Melbourne- 4 and 68
Essendon- 13, F1(Melb) and F2(Melb)

GWS- 13(Ess), 22(Ess), 44(Frem), and F3(Ess)
Essendon- 15(GWS), 18(GWS), 31(GWS) and 53(Rich)
Fremantle- 54(Ess), 61(GWS)
Richmond- 62(Ess), 72(Ess)

15 Jacob Konstanty
18 Ollie Hotton
31 Alwyn Davey
53 Anthony Munkara
F1- Melb
F2- Melb

You want to slide from 4 to 15? No way.
They havnt almost unanimously been saying the top 5 are a cut above the rest for no reason. Pass for me, best available at 4 even if it’s tsatas.

 

[Mikevk123]

You want to slide from 4 to 15? No way.
They havnt almost unanimously been saying the top 5 are a cut above the rest for no reason. Pass for me, best available at 4 even if it’s tsatas.

Tsatsas seems pretty good but investing into next years draft will most likely be more beneficial longterm. If we can get Tsatsas that’s elite but he’s a mostly an outside midfielder which we seem to have.

Martin, Durham, Langford, McGrath and Heppell all role through that position.

 

[citizen-erased]

Tsatsas seems pretty good but investing into next years draft will most likely be more beneficial longterm. If we can get Tsatsas that’s elite but he’s a mostly an outside midfielder which we seem to have.

Martin, Durham, Langford, McGrath and Heppell all role through that position.

from what I've seen, Tsatas is more inside but gets to the outside and can work there quite well.
Strikes me as your 28 possession, high metres gained/I50 type.
Not an absolute pig in terms of disposal count, but he's not more outside than in.