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[Yoda_]

They’re solid B graders I’d say. Would be an upgrade in the middle of our best side.

Perryman can play almost anywhere, good natural footballer. Cumming would slot straight in to half back and is a good kick with good size and speed.

Unlike Hopper both are out of contract and free agents.

They’re probably better than Hopper for what we need.

Perryman is very solid. Can play in a few different spots. He’d be an amazing upgrade on Kelly

Cumming was a border line A grade half back but has been hit very hard by injuries. It would be a risk picking him up

unpopular opinion but I think we are 'ok' for (mature) half backs, I would be looking o invest on the future and bring in a youngster to fill this void.

Redman, Ridley, Heppell, Hind, Martin are all capable back there. We have 0 depth for the future (again) so would like to build with youth thus bypassing Cumming as good as he may be.

Perryman is an interesting case study, maybe he is better than I have given him credit for, a utility that isn't a utility is of interest to anyone. Does his price get driven up in comparison to the players he sits next o at GWS? If the price is right and Harry was good enough to kick 35 goals as a half forward then lets dot it.



The bargain buy from GWS Id look into is James Peatling, manic inside midfielder who has more deffense to offence in his game. Impresses me every time I watch them play. If we wanted depth in the midfield with mature bodies then he'd be one who could replace Setterfield on the list straight away and not cost the world imho

 

[eth-dog]

So Stengle feels isolated out at Geelong and stays with the Betts family quite a bit.

Do they live anywhere near Tulla?

About 40 minutes away from there. Hawthorne, Richmond and Collingwood are the three closest (in that order)

 

[ant555]

unpopular opinion but I think we are 'ok' for (mature) half backs, I would be looking o invest on the future and bring in a youngster to fill this void.

Redman, Ridley, Heppell, Hind, Martin are all capable back there. We have 0 depth for the future (again) so would like to build with youth thus bypassing Cumming as good as he may be.

Perryman is an interesting case study, maybe he is better than I have given him credit for, a utility that isn't a utility is of interest to anyone. Does his price get driven up in comparison to the players he sits next o at GWS? If the price is right and Harry was good enough to kick 35 goals as a half forward then lets dot it.



The bargain buy from GWS Id look into is James Peatling, manic inside midfielder who has more deffense to offence in his game. Impresses me every time I watch them play. If we wanted depth in the midfield with mature bodies then he'd be one who could replace Setterfield on the list straight away and not cost the world imho

I would not say half back is okay. It is average to the point that we have used Martin there to spice it up .

 

[faible]

unpopular opinion but I think we are 'ok' for (mature) half backs, I would be looking o invest on the future and bring in a youngster to fill this void.

Redman, Ridley, Heppell, Hind, Martin are all capable back there. We have 0 depth for the future (again) so would like to build with youth thus bypassing Cumming as good as he may be.

Perryman is an interesting case study, maybe he is better than I have given him credit for, a utility that isn't a utility is of interest to anyone. Does his price get driven up in comparison to the players he sits next o at GWS? If the price is right and Harry was good enough to kick 35 goals as a half forward then lets dot it.



The bargain buy from GWS Id look into is James Peatling, manic inside midfielder who has more deffense to offence in his game. Impresses me every time I watch them play. If we wanted depth in the midfield with mature bodies then he'd be one who could replace Setterfield on the list straight away and not cost the world imho

Cumming can also play Wing if that helps. Perryman can play off a wing, flank or through the midfield.

You'd be looking at replacing guys like Heppell and Kelly with these guys, and they wouldn't be coming in as the bottom half of the 22 selected each week.

It would give us two extra players that are good by foot to help with Merrett or Martin being tagged. I'd be pretty happy if the club managed to bring them in as UFA's.

Stengle is another obvious position of need to pursue.

Peatling is much smaller than Setterfield so not sure he fills the same niche.

 

[Milanista28]

Yep your comparing 2 different things though

One cost a whole lot more, that needs to be considered

If we can afford it, I'm not fussed on the price, if we want to win and improve we need to buy/pay better players.

 

[Zach Package]

Huh?
Do you know a fact that no one else does?
Is he leaving?

Join the dots. He’s the only player in the comp that the AFL have just randomly let someone who’s not a player agent handle his affairs and now the story is apparently he’s just going to take the money despite there being far more to consider in his particular case.

 

[faible]

He’s the only player in the comp that the AFL have just randomly let someone who’s not a player agent handle his affairs

Not quite true

AFL gives Stengle permission to be represented by mentor's wife in new deal negotiations

The AFL has granted the wife of Eddie Betts special dispensation to act on behalf of unrestricted free agent Tyson Stengle towards negotiating for the Geelong forward's next and biggest contract deal....

nit.com.au

Anna Scullie took charge of Betts’ contract talk during the back half of his AFL career at Adelaide and to his return to Carlton

some critics disregard her ability to effectively navigate through the nuances of contracts in spite of being in charge of her husband’s deals across eight seasons while still running their family business.

She did Betts' contracts for 8 years, has been around the AFL industry with Eddie for 16 years, and Stengle obviously has a pretty close relationship with both Betts and Anna. I imagine a number of Aboriginal players might prefer to have someone closer to them represent them as an agent if they had suitable knowledge given the fairly sizeable cultural differences and experiences that community has. The criticism of her seems misguided IMO, she has the relevant skillset. And let's be honest, player agents don't exactly come across as geniuses when they've been on the doco.

 

[Tazdog]

Not quite true

AFL gives Stengle permission to be represented by mentor's wife in new deal negotiations

The AFL has granted the wife of Eddie Betts special dispensation to act on behalf of unrestricted free agent Tyson Stengle towards negotiating for the Geelong forward's next and biggest contract deal....

nit.com.au

She did Betts' contracts for 8 years, has been around the AFL industry with Eddie for 16 years, and Stengle obviously has a pretty close relationship with both Betts and Anna. I imagine a number of Aboriginal players might prefer to have someone closer to them represent them as an agent if they had suitable knowledge given the fairly sizeable cultural differences and experiences that community has. The criticism of her seems misguided IMO, she has the relevant skillset. And let's be honest, player agents don't exactly come across as geniuses when they've been on the doco.

I think for stengle its less about pure money and more about being represented in the best way possible, by people who know him and what his needs are. Obviously hell get a big contract, but if he was with say D'Orazio or Lucas maybe theyd get an extra 50-100k. Im just making this up but yeah i reckon especially with indigenous boys there is still a lack of understanding and having a close family member can help bridge the gap between player and club rather than negotiating a contract purely for the best financial terms. in that case - you can definitely rule Norf out!

 

[joey_jo_jo]

Not quite true

AFL gives Stengle permission to be represented by mentor's wife in new deal negotiations

The AFL has granted the wife of Eddie Betts special dispensation to act on behalf of unrestricted free agent Tyson Stengle towards negotiating for the Geelong forward's next and biggest contract deal....

nit.com.au

She did Betts' contracts for 8 years, has been around the AFL industry with Eddie for 16 years, and Stengle obviously has a pretty close relationship with both Betts and Anna. I imagine a number of Aboriginal players might prefer to have someone closer to them represent them as an agent if they had suitable knowledge given the fairly sizeable cultural differences and experiences that community has. The criticism of her seems misguided IMO, she has the relevant skillset. And let's be honest, player agents don't exactly come across as geniuses when they've been on the doco.

Related to the bold. Saw this news a few weeks back. Im guessing Briggs believes he could offer a similar service, good on him!

Rapper Senator Briggs sets sights on player agency

Indigenous artist and Essendon fan Adam Briggs is seeking AFLPA accreditation

www.afl.com.au

 

[faible]

Related to the bold. Saw this news a few weeks back. Im guessing Briggs believes he could offer a similar service, good on him!

Rapper Senator Briggs sets sights on player agency

Indigenous artist and Essendon fan Adam Briggs is seeking AFLPA accreditation

www.afl.com.au

Good on him, one of ex-GWS AFLW players became a player agent and has done quite well because she can relate to being a female. I assume Aboriginal players might appreciate someone that can understand their cultural experiences and challenges.

 

[ghostdog]

I think for stengle its less about pure money and more about being represented in the best way possible, by people who know him and what his needs are. Obviously hell get a big contract, but if he was with say D'Orazio or Lucas maybe theyd get an extra 50-100k. Im just making this up but yeah i reckon especially with indigenous boys there is still a lack of understanding and having a close family member can help bridge the gap between player and club rather than negotiating a contract purely for the best financial terms. in that case - you can definitely rule Norf out!

I don't think it's as cut and dried that he's going as Zach Package seems to think. The only negative issue is that it's 'isolating,' yet Scullie then goes on to say Geelong is a 'perfect place' for him. Sounds like he'd prefer to stay. Also sounds like the length of the contract is the issue rather than the money.

“It would be ideal if he stays there,” Scullie said.

“He is playing good footy with the team around him.

“We will likely go for a long-term deal.

“But we have to take into consideration that Geelong can be isolating.

“If Geelong is where he stays, it is a perfect place and it’s a great culture, and he’s really well supported on the field.

“He is playing good footy, so we will just see.”

The 25-year-old’s unique family relationship had put her in a position to best manage his affairs after enduring a traumatic family upbringing, with relatives instead of his parents raising Stengle from a young age.

While Stengle and Betts, who are distantly related, played just a season at the Crows, the 350-game icon’s bond quickly became more of a personal mentorship.

Since the couple and their five children returned to Melbourne, the Cats invited Betts to spend more time with Stengle at his third AFL home to keep the new goalsneak focused and on the track.

 

[Keystone agony]

If we can afford it, I'm not fussed on the price, if we want to win and improve we need to buy/pay better players.

Price has to be considered

Because these players may not make us a premiership side

So we will need players that can, so we must be able to afford them, when it comes to that time

Some of the highest paid players that will be over or close to 1.5 in their next offer will be coming out in the next few years. LDU, Harley and JUH

As long as thats ok then all for it

In 2025 there would be some solid paid players at the club

Mckay
Nic Martin
Zerrett
Parish
Langford
Ridley
Caldwell
Gresham
Stengle
Perryman
Zurhaar/Stringer
Mcgrath
Redman

None/not many of those will be sub 700 (probs only Stringer if he stayed)

 

[fanuch]

Don't pay the Perryman. Don't even fix a price.

 

[crackers65]

Perryman is very solid. Can play in a few different spots. He’d be an amazing upgrade on Kelly

Cumming was a border line A grade half back but has been hit very hard by injuries. It would be a risk picking him up

Last thing we need is another injury prone player. The best ability anyone we recruit has is availability.

 

[Yoda_]

I would not say half back is okay. It is average to the point that we have used Martin there to spice it up .

I did say that we were ok for mature depth, I would like to add some youth to build that depth further. Adding mature on mature imho isn't smart list management. Bring a youngster into the system, develop for a year or two whilst Heppell. Kelly, Hind are still going ok and when the kid is ready o explode the aforementioned will be slowing right down.


That aspect of list management is something I fear Dodo has never go right, now that RFK is in charge he is trending in a similar direction.

 

[ghostdog]

I did say that we were ok for mature depth, I would like to add some youth to build that depth further. Adding mature on mature imho isn't smart list management. Bring a youngster into the system, develop for a year or two whilst Heppell. Kelly, Hind are still going ok and when the kid is ready o explode the aforementioned will be slowing right down.


That aspect of list management is something I fear Dodo has never go right, now that RFK is in charge he is trending in a similar direction.

Really? Targeting free agents and keeping our draft picks seems like astute policy to me. Adding mature on mature wouldn't be a continuous practice I wouldn't have thought. Only a stop-gap for role where the mature player we have is doubtful but the youngster isn't ready.

 

[Yoda_]

Really? Targeting free agents and keeping our draft picks seems like astute policy to me. Adding mature on mature wouldn't be a continuous practice I wouldn't have thought. Only a stop-gap for role where the mature player we have is doubtful but the youngster isn't ready.

Bringing in one (mature) HBF probably denies us bringing in another (young) one.


Unless we the club thinks the guys we have at AFL level aren't good enough and will cut them (see Nick Hind the HBF'er, see Jake Kelly the defensive utility) then it would be incongruous of the direction we are going.


The list as a whole still needs some major rectification. 3 small forwards, none of which are ready worries me,
the lack of key position players available at the lower level developing (Weidemann should be cut at years end)
the lack of midfield depth continues to worry me building. Shiel / Setterfield fit dictates Tsatas, Hobbs et al playing VFL midfield minutes. IT hasn't worked out that way this year
Ive mentioned the HBF idiosyncrasy and the big one for me has and will continue to be more marking forward half players. Powerful flankers, small forwards good overhead, wingmen that can push forward and mark. We just don have the cable to do this role well on the list developing.

 

[Snake Charmer]

FA > trading as much as possible. cut the fat replace with FA, and use the picks to keep bringing in good young talent

 

[ghostdog]

Bringing in one (mature) HBF probably denies us bringing in another (young) one.


Unless we the club thinks the guys we have at AFL level aren't good enough and will cut them (see Nick Hind the HBF'er, see Jake Kelly the defensive utility) then it would be incongruous of the direction we are going.


The list as a whole still needs some major rectification. 3 small forwards, none of which are ready worries me,
the lack of key position players available at the lower level developing (Weidemann should be cut at years end)
the lack of midfield depth continues to worry me building. Shiel / Setterfield fit dictates Tsatas, Hobbs et al playing VFL midfield minutes. IT hasn't worked out that way this year
Ive mentioned the HBF idiosyncrasy and the big one for me has and will continue to be more marking forward half players. Powerful flankers, small forwards good overhead, wingmen that can push forward and mark. We just don have the cable to do this role well on the list developing.

Re: HB, after picking up Kelly we went and drafted Lual and now have drafted El Hawli. Both would be considered to be pretty raw, though you could probably make a case for El Hawli. JDavey and Tex have also played back there, so we've got youngsters for that position. If Hind goes or Heppell goes, we do have capacity to choose either youth or experience, but given the current development of the youngers it wouldn't be terrible if we picked up a mature backman either.

I agree though that there are glaring needs on the list. I just don't think the HB mature v. immature issue is the issue you think it is.

 

[Old Campaigner]

I did say that we were ok for mature depth, I would like to add some youth to build that depth further. Adding mature on mature imho isn't smart list management. Bring a youngster into the system, develop for a year or two whilst Heppell. Kelly, Hind are still going ok and when the kid is ready o explode the aforementioned will be slowing right down.


That aspect of list management is something I fear Dodo has never go right, now that RFK is in charge he is trending in a similar direction.

Bringing in a mature player with some sort of track record at AFL level is far more likely to lead to a best 22 player than drafting some kid from beyond the second round

 

[Yoda_]

Re: HB, after picking up Kelly we went and drafted Lual and now have drafted El Hawli. Both would be considered to be pretty raw, though you could probably make a case for El Hawli. JDavey and Tex have also played back there, so we've got youngsters for that position. If Hind goes or Heppell goes, we do have capacity to choose either youth or experience, but given the current development of the youngers it wouldn't be terrible if we picked up a mature backman either.

I agree though that there are glaring needs on the list. I just don't think the HB mature v. immature issue is the issue you think it is.

Actually, completely forgot about Lual, El-Hawli looks far more likely in front of the ball. You are probably right (re HBF being an issue)

 

[Yoda_]

Bringing in a mature player with some sort of track record at AFL level is far more likely to lead to a best 22 player than drafting some kid from beyond the second round

I would only be bringing in a FA if we needed that sort of player right now. a HBF to play right now isn't a need imho.

 

[BuffDog]

Wonder how gettable Treacy would be. From Cohuna so not really a Melbourne boy but I’m a fan

 

[Yoda_]

Haven't done one for a while but here is Yoda_ 's mid June list management update;

Out of contract (as of June 15, 2024)

+ 4 years; Archie Perkins,

+3 years; Jye Caldwell

6

Jye Caldwell

Age

24

Ht

183cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.7

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

14.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.3

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.3

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

13.6

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.8

5star

CL

1.6

4star

,

+ 2 years; Nik Cox, Lewis Hayes, Matt Guelfi

35

Matt Guelfi

Age

27

Ht

184cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

6.1

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.2

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

G

0.0

1star

D

17.2

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.2

3star

+ 1 year; Alwyn Davey Jnr, Jayden Davey, Dyson Heppell, Nick Hind

19

Nick Hind

Age

30

Ht

180cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

3.5

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.9

4star

MG

117.0

2star

D

9.5

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.0

3star

MG

117.0

2star

D

10.2

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

, Saad El-Hawli (Rookie), Vigo Visentini (Rookie)

Retire; Todd Goldstein

17

Todd Goldstein

Age

36

Ht

201cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

5.7

2star

HB

7.5

5star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

32.5

5star

D

16.7

4star

K

9.3

4star

HB

7.4

4star

CL

7.0

5star

HO

32.9

5star

D

5.2

2star

K

2.6

1star

HB

2.6

3star

HO

10.0

5star

Delist; Jake Kelly

29

Jake Kelly

Age

29

Ht

190cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.5

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

157.8

2star

D

8.1

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

104.1

2star

D

14.8

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.2

5star

MG

107.0

2star

, Sam Weidemann, Jaiden Hunter (Rookie), Jye Menzie (Rookie), Tex Wanganeen (Rookie)

Trade; Dylan Shiel

9

Dylan Shiel

Age

31

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.6

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

23.4

5star

K

13.6

5star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.2

2star

T

3.4

4star

CL

6.4

5star

D

19.8

5star

K

8.4

4star

HB

11.4

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

3.8

5star

>> St.Kilda in exchanger pick 47

Free Agent; N/A

DRAFT (currently picks 16, 37, 47)

Pick 16; Isaac Kako (Small fwd, 175cm, Calder Cannons) - Yep, we all know about the little fella but I am well on board with just straight out drafting him if the NGA rules don't change.

If he is gone, I would love LOVE Sam Lalor, the powerful Falcons forward/midfielder

Pick 37; Harvey Langford (Midfielder, 189cm, Dandenong Stingrays) - Really like the Rays midfielder. Big strong, contests well. Would be a nice replacement for Shiel and Setterfield.

Pick 47 + 2 rookie picks; all about filling holes in the lis at this sage. I mentioned him just before but 22 year old Sam Davidson from Richmond's VFL list looks a really appealing prospect. Would fill a really glaring list need imho and has been used in a couple of roles we could fill him in with. Id love Jayden Nguyen to get through, could be another Archie Roberts, neat left footer who could be used behind the ball or up on a wing.

 

[eDPS]

Wonder how gettable Treacy would be. From Cohuna so not really a Melbourne boy but I’m a fan

He is a bit too lumbering for me, gets caught behind any defender with speed