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[The Devils Advocate]

4 years is downright bizarre and almost asking for him to walk out, which should be a red flag to chasing clubs in and of itself.

Agree with this.

 

[eth-dog]

If we are offering Perryman 800k surely we can offer Stengle more

Who says we're offering Perryman 800k?

 

[ghostdog]

If we are offering Perryman 800k surely we can offer Stengle more

Are we actually?

 

[fairbump_playon]

Who says we're offering Perryman 800k?

It’s ok. Every single Essendon player has a front ended deal and is actually only getting about 10k next year.

 

[eth-dog]

It’s ok. Every single Essendon player has a front ended deal and is actually only getting about 10k next year.

That was a genuine question. I haven't seen it.

 

[Zach Package]

Agree with this.

The other alternative is the Cats are offering him what is a sweetheart deal for them because his manager is not only not a player manager, but also a former Geelong employee’s wife.

 

[doug85]

Is Stengle a FA? I assumed he was

 

[eth-dog]

Is Stengle a FA? I assumed he was

Yes

 

[fairbump_playon]

That was a genuine question. I haven't seen it.

Speculation I reckon. I think it's a fair price but I haven't seen it reported anywhere.

 

[footyfanatic111]

Who says we're offering Perryman 800k?

Here the tradies podcast between McClure and Cleary.

Re: Perryman
Play it from 24.45 mins.

Doesn’t directly say Essendon but says we’re 1 of 4 teams persuing him and he’s getting offers north of 800k by 6 years.


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[eth-dog]

Here the tradies podcast between McClure and Cleary.

Re: Perryman
Play it from 24.45 mins.

Doesn’t directly say Essendon but says we’re 1 of 4 teams persuing him and he’s getting offers north of 800k by 6 years.


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Cheers.

 

[brutus76]

If we get Stengle we can offload the Guelf to Freo or WCE for picks

Maybe our 2nd and Guelf for one of Freo's 3 x 1st rounders (lucky buggers)

 

[Snake Charmer]

Who says we're offering Perryman 800k?

Are we actually?

Someone mentioned it on here a few days ago.

 

[doug85]

If we get Stengle we can offload the Guelf to Freo or WCE for picks

Maybe our 2nd and Guelf for one of Freo's 3 x 1st rounders (lucky buggers)

I’d like to keep Guelfi. He’s played some great lockdown roles on Sicily and Whitfield while also being an offensive threat.

I expect him to tag Stewart out in a few weeks and snag a few goals too.

 

[jdstorm]

Except that Caldwell isn't a run and carry hbf. What small forwards has he played a lockdown role on? He's a very good field kick, yes, who we need in transition and going inside fifty.

I agree that the midfield needs Hobbs on rotation through there as well at the moment, but we're not going to solve the issue with our lack of drive from the back half by shifting a midfield defender back there.

You're right to say Ridley back again will help. We actually need Redman and McGrath, and Hind when he's back there, to take advantage of Ridley's intercepting, get on their bikes and be the first running receiver who Rids releases. They're all capable of running and delivering but they need to actually do it. It's fine to use Martin if he's playing the distribution role (though I'd also prefer he was up the ground), but it feels like these guys trained so hard with Marto back there that they're looking to hand the responsibility of the driving the ball forward to him every time. In part, there's Marto's guaranteed 20 touches in the back half. And another player doesn't have to move back to play Martin's role; Redman is an excellent field kick. Thete's no reason he couldn't take those kicks just as well but wouldn't try to pick off the low percentage ones that Martin does.

I agree we need another big body in the middle, but that fact also underscores the importance of Caldwell staying in the middle, supporting defence through the middle due to our shortage in that area.

The other part of this equation is the coaches' aspiration that we play as a front-half team. We only started playing as a back-half team recently, relying on Ridley and McKay especially and while Ridley was injured, Redman and Hepp, because we've had to carry midfield injuries. Part of that has relied on Caldwell in the middle, together with Duz and Setterfield, and Parish sacrificing part of his game. This is why we looked better against WB and GWS than against North and GC. Don't discount how much better our drive from the back looks when Duursma's there too.

We do need an electric running half back. I'd prefer a medium sized player but I'm not fussed. In the interim, Redman, McGrath and Hind need to be reminded that they have wheels and not to be so Martin-centric. The answer isn't to now switch Caldwell's role. That would undo all that we've trained to do.

Or it would unlock the whole rubix cube as everything slots into place.

Like you said the goal is to be a front half team. The best way to do that is to be able to effectively transition the ball out of the back half. It’s also where you want your safest good kicks because turnovers here will hurt you far more then a chaos ball into the forward line.

Ridley/Redman/McGrath is a solid Trio but you’d ideally like another good user back there Martin/Hepp/Hind have been the three main players used there but each have issues.

Martin: is a much better wing as he’s a goal threat. And he isn’t that when he’s in the back half. Also prone to the odd shank.

Hind: Fast: has been dynamic on wing and applying forward pressure. Prone to the odd head scratching kick.

Hepp: good positioning but slow.

Then there’s caldwell. Has good speed (if not elite) and is more than fast enough for the role. 2nd most reliable kick on the team (after Merrett) and played as a tagger in the front half/middle on attacking HBs and Mids.

Sounds like a decent approximation of Jack Sinclair or Dan Houston. And a massive upgrade on the 3 player’s previously mentioned.

Then the added bonus is having Merrett, Martin, Dursma and possibly hind through the middle/Wings you still have those players who can make good forward entries. Then there’s Gresh/Perkins if the option is to move fast and kick past the midfield.

 

[Donakebab]

Here the tradies podcast between McClure and Cleary.

Re: Perryman
Play it from 24.45 mins.

Doesn’t directly say Essendon but says we’re 1 of 4 teams persuing him and he’s getting offers north of 800k by 6 years.


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To save us listening, who are the Lions?

 

[footyfanatic111]

To save us listening, who are the Lions?

That was the strange thing, I listened to it at the time and it’s very hard to recollect any mention of us into a lion, let alone two.

It was 2 weeks ago so I’m going to assume one was jarrod berry, no idea about the other.
Just feels like a grab headline to hook people in lol.


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[ghostdog]

Or it would unlock the whole rubix cube as everything slots into place.

Like you said the goal is to be a front half team. The best way to do that is to be able to effectively transition the ball out of the back half. It’s also where you want your safest good kicks because turnovers here will hurt you far more then a chaos ball into the forward line.

Ridley/Redman/McGrath is a solid Trio but you’d ideally like another good user back there Martin/Hepp/Hind have been the three main players used there but each have issues.

Martin: is a much better wing as he’s a goal threat. And he isn’t that when he’s in the back half. Also prone to the odd shank.

Hind: Fast: has been dynamic on wing and applying forward pressure. Prone to the odd head scratching kick.

Hepp: good positioning but slow.

Then there’s caldwell. Has good speed (if not elite) and is more than fast enough for the role. 2nd most reliable kick on the team (after Merrett) and played as a tagger in the front half/middle on attacking HBs and Mids.

Sounds like a decent approximation of Jack Sinclair or Dan Houston. And a massive upgrade on the 3 player’s previously mentioned.

Then the added bonus is having Merrett, Martin, Dursma and possibly hind through the middle/Wings you still have those players who can make good forward entries. Then there’s Gresh/Perkins if the option is to move fast and kick past the midfield.

We may have to agree to disagree.

A player of that quality moving to the back half to replace Martin would be a welcome addition, but not Caldwell, sorry. I'd be happy to see him play a role going back to support the defenders to move the ball, which both he and Duz do all ready, but we've being crying out for season upon season for hardness in the middle of the ground; probably sibce the retirements of Watson, Hocking and Howlett. Now we have it, enabling Merrett to have the cracking season he's having. I don't want to muck with that at all. As I said, remind those defenders that they can run and deliver, give them support to do so, and with Martin and Duursma on the wings we'll have that hb bounce.

Re: Martin playing on-ball, I'd prefer if we tinker with his game during preseason but I'm keen to see how he goes.

For that back half role, I'm keen to see a guy like Braeden Campbell brought in. I've mentioned him elsewhere.

I'd see out the season with Caldwell in the middle though. That's working for us.

 

[fairbump_playon]

I found Berry’s 50 late in the GF unforgivable

Dumb, self-centred football

So I don’t want him

However I did think at the time.. I bet he leaves the Lions when his contract is up, because he now owes 22 teammates something he can never repay

 

[footyfanatic111]

I found Berry’s 50 late in the GF unforgivable

Dumb, self-centred football

So I don’t want him

However I did think at the time.. I bet he leaves the Lions when his contract is up, because he now owes 22 teammates something he can never repay

The talk lately is that talks are progressing and berry is looking likely to resigning with the lions. Think you can cross him off the list



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[Nicholas61]

I’d like to keep Guelfi.

Has become a pretty decent kick under pressure as well, some of our other guys look like they don't want the ball in their hands when it is crunch time. Really enjoying 2024 Guelf

 

[Snake Charmer]

Has become a pretty decent kick under pressure as well, some of our other guys look like they don't want the ball in their hands when it is crunch time. Really enjoying 2024 Guelf

I reckon paring him with a legitimate crumbing small will do our forward line wonders

 

[jdstorm]

We may have to agree to disagree.

A player of that quality moving to the back half to replace Martin would be a welcome addition, but not Caldwell, sorry. I'd be happy to see him play a role going back to support the defenders to move the ball, which both he and Duz do all ready, but we've being crying out for season upon season for hardness in the middle of the ground; probably sibce the retirements of Watson, Hocking and Howlett. Now we have it, enabling Merrett to have the cracking season he's having. I don't want to muck with that at all. As I said, remind those defenders that they can run and deliver, give them support to do so, and with Martin and Duursma on the wings we'll have that hb bounce.

Re: Martin playing on-ball, I'd prefer if we tinker with his game during preseason but I'm keen to see how he goes.

For that back half role, I'm keen to see a guy like Braeden Campbell brought in. I've mentioned him elsewhere.

I'd see out the season with Caldwell in the middle though. That's working for us.

We might just have to agree to disagree
I just want to ask these questions

Is Hobbs not that hard inside mid?

Hobbs was a top pick and is in his 3rd season now and you’re at risk of losing him if your planning on asking him to play VFL next season.

Is 50% of caldwell’s mid time going to Hobbs that much of a downgrade in toughness?

 

[Keystone agony]

We might just have to agree to disagree
I just want to ask these questions

Is Hobbs not that hard inside mid?

Hobbs was a top pick and is in his 3rd season now and you’re at risk of losing him if your planning on asking him to play VFL next season.

Is 50% of caldwell’s mid time going to Hobbs that much of a downgrade in toughness?

Id say Hobbs is as tough as Caldwell

Id like to see Hobbs return from injury with full time mid in VFL and go from there based on team result and individual form/injury

I was sure of Hobbs early in his career but have started to doubt that a bit lately

I hope he can get enough games next year where he wants to stay in a building side

Id say long term as we cant carry too many mids. I think him and Caldwell will need to share one starting onball spot and high half fwd entering the front of stoppages

Not sure if its injury and not continuity but Hobbs is starting to look quite slow for a CBA mid, that doesnt mean he cant work and i feel like his first 1-3 step and agility step is still quite good

 

[ghostdog]

We might just have to agree to disagree
I just want to ask these questions

Is Hobbs not that hard inside mid?

Hobbs was a top pick and is in his 3rd season now and you’re at risk of losing him if your planning on asking him to play VFL next season.

Is 50% of caldwell’s mid time going to Hobbs that much of a downgrade in toughness?

I'd say Hobbs is just as tough without being as strong or as skilled.

I'm wouldn't play him purely on ball. I think he's shown enough to be part of a mid/half forward rotation with Perkins. His defensive pressure around the arc has been really valuable, and I'd say he does more work defensively than Perkins, but could still have a role tagging an offensive defender, for example.

It wouldn't hurt if he had the odd run in the VFL to develop more. His kicking is a good example. If he decides he wants to leave because he's not being played as a pure mid, so be it. Caldwell remarked only recently that Brad prefers the players to be versatile enough to be able to play multiple roles. Maybe Caldwell could go back. Maybe Hobbs won't always play midfield.