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[mIKe9441]

We can thank Adrian and to a lesser extend RFK for the debacle with the current draft hand. If we really are going after these d grade players then we will not progress under this regime either.


Hit the draft, completely bottom out, finish bottom 4 if need be but the pieces are in place to springboard when we finally bite the bullet and cut the shackles off the current list.

If the club was serious, they would listen to offers for Hobbs, Tsatas, and Draper, etc. Get as much draft capital as possible. Gut the list out. Stop adding more D graders to it and hanging on to guys that will just lose value the longer they stay on it. Should have done it with Parish, McGrath and Redman, who all had currency, instead of signing them to long term deals, and have all regressed.

 

[eth-dog]

Why is this so bad? We need depth at his position and we could use a medium defender in the VFL. The medium sized defenders that are certainties to be on our list next year are Ridley and Redman - that's it. Hepps out, Kelly out, writing on the wall for Baldwin and no guarantees that Laverde will be around. Can't exactly be shocking to hear that we're looking for cheap, available defenders in the circumstances.

Because if we're targeting anyone it should be superstars. Only superstars are allowed to be traded in.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Now Ive heard we're looking at Tim Membrey.
HAHAHA!

They mentioned it on Midweek Tackle that we have met with Membrey and looking at him for possible replacement for Stringer.

 

[yodellinhank]

With Jake Kelly retired, he could take that spot - as our most slagged off player.

Has he got it in him to turn his back on live play and kick someone where they lay?

 

[jdBombers3598]

What an absolute disgrace we are. Topping up with more mature aged plodders to scrap into 11TH AGAIN

 

[yodellinhank]

They mentioned it on Midweek Tackle that we have met with Membrey and looking at him for possible replacement for Stringer.

Hasn't kicked 42+ since 2019.

You don't replace Stringer, you get rid of him.

 

[Keystone agony]

Bit disappointed by the names

I dont mind Finn Maginness as long as hes super cheap

Why the hell we arent linked to Peatling interest

Same for Joe Richards, same for Derksen

A large Perryman offer like the pies seem to be doing now

Harry Morrsion and Nathan Odrsicoll shouldve also been on radar... maybe they were

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

Who the fugg is Josh Rotham

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Josh Rotham

Age

26

Ht

193cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.8

2star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

167.2

3star

D

7.5

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.5

3star

MG

157.5

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

168.0

3star

..?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Hasn't kicked 42+ since 2019.

You don't replace Stringer, you get rid of him.

Yeah but we’re severely lacking in the tattoo space though ..this will quadruple our tattoo per square cm of skin ratio. At the same time ridding us of the worst tattoo in the game and all of sports

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

If Maginness is a two-way running mid with a defensive side, I don't get why that would not interest people.
Would have to be cheaply acquired for me. I'm keen on the draft.

Because he’s a hack footballer. Best we could hope for is someone who starts half forward and runs in to tag the opposition’s best mid every week. Can you ply with 5 forwards..?

 

[coastalpipeline]

Now Ive heard we're looking at Tim Membrey.
HAHAHA!

That's dees not us. They're chatting like it's a good thing too, they damm wright more than we do.
Dees would do a straight swap tomlinson for membrey. Deadset.
If only membrey was abit younger though he looks like a player who takes no shit!

 

[Cup_o_Jobe]

Just to play devil's advocate, while from what I can see, Finn can't hit the side of a barn door by foot, maybe we're not coaxing him over for midfield minutes but rather AFL minutes generally? His style of footy and fitness base seem ideal for a lock-down back pocket type (which McGrath seems disinterested in playing, despite his potential aptitude for it). Small forwards are increasingly part of the meta of the top teams, I can get on board finding a few blocks who can play a proper shut down role like that.

 

[Zach Package]

If Maginness is a two-way running mid with a defensive side, I don't get why that would not interest people.
Would have to be cheaply acquired for me. I'm keen on the draft.

The part I like is the ‘Hawthorn are passing us at a rate of knots, best post clearance contested ball side ever, they just out work and out run everyone ra ra ra’ from our own supporters, and then we target a contested ball midfielder who can run like the absolute clappers and also tag as an added bonus and those same supporters do this:

 

[joey_jo_jo]

The part I like is the ‘Hawthorn are passing us at a rate of knots, best post clearance contested ball side ever, they just out work and out run everyone ra ra ra’ from our own supporters, and then we target a contested ball midfielder who can run like the absolute clappers and also tag as an added bonus and those same supporters do this:

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Is he a contested ball mid though or just a pure stopper?
I would love more defensive minded mids like caldwell that can work over an opposition mid and also use the ball themselves (jordon at swans, peatling/bedford at gws probably the best examples) but IMO the reason Finn isn't getting consistent game time for hawks despite them not having any other tagger type players in their best 22 is because he is purely a stopper and you are effectively playing one midfielder down when you have the ball.

 

[ghostdog]

Is he a contested ball mid though or just a pure stopper?
I would love more defensive minded mids like caldwell that can work over an opposition mid and also use the ball themselves (jordon at swans, peatling/bedford at gws probably the best examples) but IMO the reason Finn isn't getting consistent game time for hawks despite them not having any other tagger type players in their best 22 is because he is purely a stopper and you are effectively playing one midfielder down when you have the ball.

He averaged 14 disposals from 13 games this year, so it's not as if he doesn't find the ball.

The problem is that we don't have the currency nor are we at the stage of development where we can afford or attract the kind of high quality player you're thinking about. We can't compete.

We need marks in the field - The guy is 189cm. We need a tall defensive mid - Setterfield is constantly injured. We need players who can run both ways all day - Maginess has a huge engine.

It also seems to me that you've pigeonholed him on the basis of how he was used by Mitchell. This is from his draft notes; "His clean hands at stoppages work well with his core strength as he is difficult to bring down in a tackle and manages to keep composed to get a handball out nearly every time he wins the ball, he is a one touch player who rarely fumbles which makes his work on the inside all the more damaging."

 

[ghostdog]

The part I like is the ‘Hawthorn are passing us at a rate of knots, best post clearance contested ball side ever, they just out work and out run everyone ra ra ra’ from our own supporters, and then we target a contested ball midfielder who can run like the absolute clappers and also tag as an added bonus and those same supporters do this:

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I don't think we'll get him anyway, but it is a frustrating contradiction.

 

[ghostdog]

Because he’s a hack footballer. Best we could hope for is someone who starts half forward and runs in to tag the opposition’s best mid every week. Can you ply with 5 forwards..?

That's how Mitchell used him I think. Doesn't mean he doesn't have other attributes.
What's wrong with a player who has the stamina to run forward and create an option?

 

[ant555]

We can thank Adrian and to a lesser extend RFK for the debacle with the current draft hand. If we really are going after these d grade players then we will not progress under this regime either.


Hit the draft, completely bottom out, finish bottom 4 if need be but the pieces are in place to springboard when we finally bite the bullet and cut the shackles off the current list.

So you think Caddy is a dud and we should not have traded up ?
And you want us to be like North for 8 or so years ?
How about just keep moving on 3 to 5 every year. Take the high draft picks , we look like getting two top 20 this year. Do it again next year and then the next year. So far no side has had success in under 10 years buy simply taking a chainsaw to the list.

 

[eth-dog]

The part I like is the ‘Hawthorn are passing us at a rate of knots, best post clearance contested ball side ever, they just out work and out run everyone ra ra ra’ from our own supporters, and then we target a contested ball midfielder who can run like the absolute clappers and also tag as an added bonus and those same supporters do this:

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The part I love is that he's an extremely limited midfielder who can really only play one role but doesn't really get the ball or damage the opposition but guys like you think "OOH GIMME! It doesn't matter that he's basically the same player as Hobbs, Durham and Caldwell but less damaging I WANT IT!"

He averaged 14 disposals from 13 games this year, so it's not as if he doesn't find the ball.

The problem is that we don't have the currency nor are we at the stage of development where we can afford or attract the kind of high quality player you're thinking about. We can't compete.

We need marks in the field - The guy is 189cm. We need a tall defensive mid - Setterfield is constantly injured. We need players who can run both ways all day - Maginess has a huge engine.

It also seems to me that you've pigeonholed him on the basis of how he was used by Mitchell. This is from his draft notes; "His clean hands at stoppages work well with his core strength as he is difficult to bring down in a tackle and manages to keep composed to get a handball out nearly every time he wins the ball, he is a one touch player who rarely fumbles which makes his work on the inside all the more damaging."

You're saying 14 disposals in a primarily inside mid role is good? Ben Hobbs was shunted to a flank and averaged 13 this year whilst barely playing midfield. Caldwell averaged 23 whilst often playing a run with role. Sam Durham 21 whilst primarily playing a run with role.

I'm not denying he's a good tagger. But this is a classic Essington recruitment in that we see a good player who's potentially available and chasing it despite filling an even bigger logjam than the one we have already.

 

[Snake Charmer]

I have no issue with Maginness if he’s coming for a third rounder or there abouts. Hard running ball winner in the right spot age wise. Still a few years off his peak. I want out midfield to be one that runs both way. Caldwell and Durham do that well. Shiel and Parish aren’t interested in that at all. We need to recruit/draft types that are and put pressure on parish

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[ghostdog]

The part I love is that he's an extremely limited midfielder who can really only play one role but doesn't really get the ball or damage the opposition but guys like you think "OOH GIMME! It doesn't matter that he's basically the same player as Hobbs, Durham and Caldwell but less damaging I WANT IT!"

You're saying 14 disposals in a primarily inside mid role is good? Ben Hobbs was shunted to a flank and averaged 13 this year whilst barely playing midfield. Caldwell averaged 23 whilst often playing a run with role. Sam Durham 21 whilst primarily playing a run with role.

I'm not denying he's a good tagger. But this is a classic Essington recruitment in that we see a good player who's potentially available and chasing it despite filling an even bigger logjam than the one we have already.

No, I'm saying he can find the ball. Calm down.

"Good" is you putting words in my mouth.
You then go on to describe him as "a good player", so I actually don't even know what you're playing at now.

I just see a player who has the potential to do what Setterfield does, but can stay on the park. Plus he's only 23, so has time to grow.

I've also now said repeatedly that I'm only intetested if he's a cheapie and that I'm more interested in the draft.

 

[Snake Charmer]

The part I love is that he's an extremely limited midfielder who can really only play one role but doesn't really get the ball or damage the opposition but guys like you think "OOH GIMME! It doesn't matter that he's basically the same player as Hobbs, Durham and Caldwell but less damaging I WANT IT!"

You're saying 14 disposals in a primarily inside mid role is good? Ben Hobbs was shunted to a flank and averaged 13 this year whilst barely playin midfield. Caldwell averaged 23 whilst often playing a run with role. Sam Durham 21 whilst primarily playing a run with role.

I'm not denying he's a good tagger. But this is a classic Essington recruitment in that we see a good player who's potentially available and chasing it despite filling an even bigger logjam than the one we have already.

the idea behind the interest might mean he can release Durham next season. Duz did a bit of run with stuff and maybe the club thinks next season he’s ready to be a go to mid. Maginness to become a depth mid/tagger. We also need a few blokes that can play mid forward so the club might think he can be apart of that rotation because Hobbs hasn’t come on at all.

 

[Milanista28]

I think we have some members jumping off, so the board will panic, try grab some big fish, give Stringer 2 years and try sneak into finals, probably end up around 10th. Bring me the chainsaw!

 

[FlyingV]

We are a horrible transition football team…. Hobbs, Merrett, Parish, Shiel and McGrath do not cover ground well enough.
We have addressed this recently in Durham, Martin, Duursma… and now maybe Magginess, who is another addition to the 6min 2km club you need to be able to defend transition.

If we are bringing him in to support on a wing, pinch hit/tag in the midfield and help us replace the 15kms a game Kelly/Hepp used to cover for us. I’m all for it.

Still need to prioritise genuine leg speed at some point, but hopefully that can be done in the draft

 

[ant555]

No, I'm saying he can find the ball. Calm down.

"Good" is you putting words in my mouth.
You then go on to describe him as "a good player", so I actually don't even know what you're playing at now.

I just see a player who has the potential to do what Setterfield does, but can stay on the park. Plus he's only 23, so has time to grow.

I've also now said repeatedly that I'm only intetested if he's a cheapie and that I'm more interested in the draft.

Personally I do not think he does actually do what Setterfield does.
Okay he is a big body who can negate but that is about it unless you want to say they are both average to below average kicks. Setterfield beats him in every other area. Clearances. Tackles. Pressure acts. He is even slightly better as far as kicking efficiency goes.