Certified Legendary Thread Alastair Clarkson II - signs 5 year contract w/ North Melbourne 19 August 2022 - news breaks p360

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SimpkinByTheDockOfTheBay said:
There's no ITKs because we genuinely don't know if he's coming or not.
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The great thing about all this is that those within the club who actually know where things are at are giving absolute donuts.

Not only is that sending this board into an absolute tizz, it's also turning the fart sniffers in the footy media literally insane.

Good times.
 



Trust, power: what Essendon will need to give Clarkson​

By Jake Niall​

August 17, 2022 — 5.00am


If Essendon match the formal terms offered to Alastair Clarkson by North Melbourne, the Bombers will have a significant advantage over the Kangaroos, simply by dint of their size and underlying institutional strength.

The Essendon playing list, while lacking in superstar quality, is closer to finals and premiership contention than that of North, who face at least another two years of rebuilding before September is feasible.

Given a choice, most coaches would fancy that Essendon are the more enticing proposition.

“I think he will go for the club with more resources at their disposal,” predicted Dermott Brereton, one of two board members who voted against Clarkson’s appointment at Hawthorn in 2004. Brereton left the Hawthorn board after Clarkson’s first year because he felt the coach needed a clean slate and only directors who had backed him.

Assuming Essendon come to the party with a similar deal of at least five years - and they will not get Clarkson if they don’t - North will only have a couple of selling points in comparison with the more powerful club.


One is that the Kangaroos will give Clarkson as much control as a coach can have in 2022, making him Denis Pagan redux. While handing a coach near-total control is often unhealthy, it is hard to see how Clarkson wouldn’t exercise that power at Arden Street.

North are approaching Clarkson on bended knee. The relationship will therefore be on his terms.

The other positive point of difference North can offer - and the romance of returning to his old club won’t count for much - is lower expectations. Clarkson would be expected to lift Essendon into finals immediately; at North, he will have a two- or three-year amnesty.

Based on his Hawthorn history, Clarkson will want to be sure that key figures at Essendon have his back. At Hawthorn, he had club legend Jason Dunstall, on the board from 2004 until 2013, in his corner and acting as human shield against Jeff Kennett.

Further, for most of his reign at Hawthorn, Chris Fagan was not only a rock in support, but also a voice who could temper Clarkson’s domineering excesses.
Essendon, thus, will need to demonstrate to Clarkson that his career won’t founder on club instability, divisions - such as those that have been exposed this week - or blunders in list management, conditioning and player welfare.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...sion-on-his-future-looms-20220816-p5ba5g.html​

If true to his Hawthorn ways, people who worked with Clarkson at the Hawks reckon he will need to be assured that there are sufficient people he can trust, staff who will back him against all foes - foreign and domestic.

He would know that the Bombers have already treated their coach Ben Rutten shabbily and is entitled to know that if expectations aren’t met by the middle of 2024, that the Dons won’t diminish his authority. It is quite remarkable that Operation Clarko is in train while Rutten is the coach and contracted for 2023.

Essendon will need to earn Clarkson’s trust and hand him power. The club has not succeeded with any coach since Kevin Sheedy, having failed to date with two outsiders with Richmond pedigrees (Rutten and Matthew Knights), a big-name premiership coach (John Worsfold, imported in a crisis) and a deified favourite son (James Hird) whose tenure was undone by the drugs saga.

To land Clarkson, Essendon will need to hand him more authority than any coach since Sheedy (possibly excepting Hird). In effect, this means facilitating his choice of assistants, his fitness/conditioning man (he’s worked at Hawthorn with Essendon incumbent Sean Murphy) and, not least, he will want a say in the person managing the list. Some assistants, such as Blake Caracella, are contracted for next year.

Todd Viney is viewed as a probable Clarkson lieutenant. Viney worked at Melbourne with football boss Josh Mahoney, whom Clarkson knows from their time at Port Adelaide.

New Essendon chairman David Barham, is a veteran TV sport producer.Credit:The Age

If Clarkson lands at Tullamarine, it will be fascinating to see whether he is willing to work with the charismatic, yet contentious list boss Adrian Dodoro, who is heavily aligned to Sheedy, now on the board and a paid consultant/ambassador with institutional clout.

If Clarkson and/or Viney want someone other than Dodoro, I doubt that Sheedy or any influential supporters - or even the board - would be able to veto his wish.
For the new president David Barham, the Clarkson equation is as follows: To get him, you hand him the keys and other forces within the club - coteries, past players and legends - will see their voices muted.
 

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Chadwiko said:
I have literally been saying this for weeks. People just keep getting sucked into the fake ITK stuff being put out there by others.
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To be fair you also said the Noble would coach out the season, whereas I had very credible information that this wasn't going to be the case. In fact I knew from a very reliable source that "operation Clarko" started weeks before the Noble sacking. I got that info on July 6. So it could have started even earlier for all we know.

So it's not true to say that your information is the only source of truth here
 
roos_tt29 said:
Everything he’s saying lines up with what we know about Clarko - takes his time, is meticulous and will not be rushed.

I think we need to relax a little - the process Sonya has gone through us exactly how Clarko would want it to go. I’m confident in her approach and doubt she could do much more


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Great point.

Clarko has been preaching that a club needs to be aligned, Essendon as a club could not be more unaligned, where we have run a long and considered process behind closed doors.

His other motto is to eliminate greed, forgetting how many coaches have been sacked at Essendon because their coteries are factional and impatient, how about the greed of generating a board spill and targeting another coach when you still have one in the chair?
 
SimpkinByTheDockOfTheBay said:
What they don't get is by the time Clarko walks in, the blood and guts of the rebuild is done.

He gets that three/four year list bubble of multiple high picks, mostly through the midfield, already in place.

And he gets a quality young KPD and KPF. As well as some nice icing on the cake players like Zurhaar and Paul Curtis.

What our list needs is a gameplan and pissing off the likes of Turner, Hall and Walker. Maybe Walker stays as a break glass tall emergency.

The Bomber list can make finals, but it lacks the genuine star quality of what TT and JHF can become.
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As painful as the last two/three years has been, I’m glad we had Nobel in charge, he never waded from the fact you build a team midfield out;
He put kids in the middle well before their time and kept them there.

* fans will laugh but they should go after someone like Nobel, a knowledgable football person who basically sacrificed his career on football principle and we’ll be in good shape now because of it…
they’ll continue to be one new shimmery toy away from success, until they bite the bullet and rebuild properly. Oh and remove dodo because he’ll continuously pick up undersized players
 
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Cool Kangas said:
This is dragging out too long.
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That’s my main fear, if we miss Clarko and then have to scramble to get another coach before exit reviews, contract talks and trades etc we could be in for a world of hurt.
Sure we could still get a good coach but missing some of the above deadlines could put us back another year or 2 depending on what transpires list wise.
 
giantroo said:
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Weirdly, the things he says Essendon would need to guarantee Clarson are the things they seem unlikely to be able to deliver - internal unity, no interference from directors or coteries.
 
 

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Trust, power: what Essendon will need to give Clarkson​

By Jake Niall​

August 17, 2022 — 5.00am


If Essendon match the formal terms offered to Alastair Clarkson by North Melbourne, the Bombers will have a significant advantage over the Kangaroos, simply by dint of their size and underlying institutional strength.

The Essendon playing list, while lacking in superstar quality, is closer to finals and premiership contention than that of North, who face at least another two years of rebuilding before September is feasible.

Given a choice, most coaches would fancy that Essendon are the more enticing proposition.

“I think he will go for the club with more resources at their disposal,” predicted Dermott Brereton, one of two board members who voted against Clarkson’s appointment at Hawthorn in 2004. Brereton left the Hawthorn board after Clarkson’s first year because he felt the coach needed a clean slate and only directors who had backed him.

Assuming Essendon come to the party with a similar deal of at least five years - and they will not get Clarkson if they don’t - North will only have a couple of selling points in comparison with the more powerful club.


One is that the Kangaroos will give Clarkson as much control as a coach can have in 2022, making him Denis Pagan redux. While handing a coach near-total control is often unhealthy, it is hard to see how Clarkson wouldn’t exercise that power at Arden Street.

North are approaching Clarkson on bended knee. The relationship will therefore be on his terms.

The other positive point of difference North can offer - and the romance of returning to his old club won’t count for much - is lower expectations. Clarkson would be expected to lift Essendon into finals immediately; at North, he will have a two- or three-year amnesty.

Based on his Hawthorn history, Clarkson will want to be sure that key figures at Essendon have his back. At Hawthorn, he had club legend Jason Dunstall, on the board from 2004 until 2013, in his corner and acting as human shield against Jeff Kennett.

Further, for most of his reign at Hawthorn, Chris Fagan was not only a rock in support, but also a voice who could temper Clarkson’s domineering excesses.
Essendon, thus, will need to demonstrate to Clarkson that his career won’t founder on club instability, divisions - such as those that have been exposed this week - or blunders in list management, conditioning and player welfare.

Clarkson withdraws from Giants race, open to talking to Essendon​

If true to his Hawthorn ways, people who worked with Clarkson at the Hawks reckon he will need to be assured that there are sufficient people he can trust, staff who will back him against all foes - foreign and domestic.

He would know that the Bombers have already treated their coach Ben Rutten shabbily and is entitled to know that if expectations aren’t met by the middle of 2024, that the Dons won’t diminish his authority. It is quite remarkable that Operation Clarko is in train while Rutten is the coach and contracted for 2023.

Essendon will need to earn Clarkson’s trust and hand him power. The club has not succeeded with any coach since Kevin Sheedy, having failed to date with two outsiders with Richmond pedigrees (Rutten and Matthew Knights), a big-name premiership coach (John Worsfold, imported in a crisis) and a deified favourite son (James Hird) whose tenure was undone by the drugs saga.

To land Clarkson, Essendon will need to hand him more authority than any coach since Sheedy (possibly excepting Hird). In effect, this means facilitating his choice of assistants, his fitness/conditioning man (he’s worked at Hawthorn with Essendon incumbent Sean Murphy) and, not least, he will want a say in the person managing the list. Some assistants, such as Blake Caracella, are contracted for next year.

Todd Viney is viewed as a probable Clarkson lieutenant. Viney worked at Melbourne with football boss Josh Mahoney, whom Clarkson knows from their time at Port Adelaide.

New Essendon chairman David Barham, is a veteran TV sport producer.Credit:The Age

If Clarkson lands at Tullamarine, it will be fascinating to see whether he is willing to work with the charismatic, yet contentious list boss Adrian Dodoro, who is heavily aligned to Sheedy, now on the board and a paid consultant/ambassador with institutional clout.

If Clarkson and/or Viney want someone other than Dodoro, I doubt that Sheedy or any influential supporters - or even the board - would be able to veto his wish.
For the new president David Barham, the Clarkson equation is as follows: To get him, you hand him the keys and other forces within the club - coteries, past players and legends - will see their voices muted.
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Reads like a * fan wrote it.
 
giantroo said:



Trust, power: what Essendon will need to give Clarkson​

By Jake Niall​

August 17, 2022 — 5.00am


If Essendon match the formal terms offered to Alastair Clarkson by North Melbourne, the Bombers will have a significant advantage over the Kangaroos, simply by dint of their size and underlying institutional strength.

The Essendon playing list, while lacking in superstar quality, is closer to finals and premiership contention than that of North, who face at least another two years of rebuilding before September is feasible.

Given a choice, most coaches would fancy that Essendon are the more enticing proposition.

“I think he will go for the club with more resources at their disposal,” predicted Dermott Brereton, one of two board members who voted against Clarkson’s appointment at Hawthorn in 2004. Brereton left the Hawthorn board after Clarkson’s first year because he felt the coach needed a clean slate and only directors who had backed him.

Assuming Essendon come to the party with a similar deal of at least five years - and they will not get Clarkson if they don’t - North will only have a couple of selling points in comparison with the more powerful club.


One is that the Kangaroos will give Clarkson as much control as a coach can have in 2022, making him Denis Pagan redux. While handing a coach near-total control is often unhealthy, it is hard to see how Clarkson wouldn’t exercise that power at Arden Street.

North are approaching Clarkson on bended knee. The relationship will therefore be on his terms.

The other positive point of difference North can offer - and the romance of returning to his old club won’t count for much - is lower expectations. Clarkson would be expected to lift Essendon into finals immediately; at North, he will have a two- or three-year amnesty.

Based on his Hawthorn history, Clarkson will want to be sure that key figures at Essendon have his back. At Hawthorn, he had club legend Jason Dunstall, on the board from 2004 until 2013, in his corner and acting as human shield against Jeff Kennett.

Further, for most of his reign at Hawthorn, Chris Fagan was not only a rock in support, but also a voice who could temper Clarkson’s domineering excesses.
Essendon, thus, will need to demonstrate to Clarkson that his career won’t founder on club instability, divisions - such as those that have been exposed this week - or blunders in list management, conditioning and player welfare.

Clarkson withdraws from Giants race, open to talking to Essendon​

If true to his Hawthorn ways, people who worked with Clarkson at the Hawks reckon he will need to be assured that there are sufficient people he can trust, staff who will back him against all foes - foreign and domestic.

He would know that the Bombers have already treated their coach Ben Rutten shabbily and is entitled to know that if expectations aren’t met by the middle of 2024, that the Dons won’t diminish his authority. It is quite remarkable that Operation Clarko is in train while Rutten is the coach and contracted for 2023.

Essendon will need to earn Clarkson’s trust and hand him power. The club has not succeeded with any coach since Kevin Sheedy, having failed to date with two outsiders with Richmond pedigrees (Rutten and Matthew Knights), a big-name premiership coach (John Worsfold, imported in a crisis) and a deified favourite son (James Hird) whose tenure was undone by the drugs saga.

To land Clarkson, Essendon will need to hand him more authority than any coach since Sheedy (possibly excepting Hird). In effect, this means facilitating his choice of assistants, his fitness/conditioning man (he’s worked at Hawthorn with Essendon incumbent Sean Murphy) and, not least, he will want a say in the person managing the list. Some assistants, such as Blake Caracella, are contracted for next year.

Todd Viney is viewed as a probable Clarkson lieutenant. Viney worked at Melbourne with football boss Josh Mahoney, whom Clarkson knows from their time at Port Adelaide.

New Essendon chairman David Barham, is a veteran TV sport producer.Credit:The Age

If Clarkson lands at Tullamarine, it will be fascinating to see whether he is willing to work with the charismatic, yet contentious list boss Adrian Dodoro, who is heavily aligned to Sheedy, now on the board and a paid consultant/ambassador with institutional clout.

If Clarkson and/or Viney want someone other than Dodoro, I doubt that Sheedy or any influential supporters - or even the board - would be able to veto his wish.
For the new president David Barham, the Clarkson equation is as follows: To get him, you hand him the keys and other forces within the club - coteries, past players and legends - will see their voices muted.
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blackshadow said:
The secret to a great lasagne is the bechamel sauce.
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Unless you're making a Calabrian lasagne.

Sub out the bechamel for layers of ham and sliced boiled egg. It's insanely good.
 
giantroo said:



Trust, power: what Essendon will need to give Clarkson​

By Jake Niall​

August 17, 2022 — 5.00am


If Essendon match the formal terms offered to Alastair Clarkson by North Melbourne, the Bombers will have a significant advantage over the Kangaroos, simply by dint of their size and underlying institutional strength.

The Essendon playing list, while lacking in superstar quality, is closer to finals and premiership contention than that of North, who face at least another two years of rebuilding before September is feasible.

Given a choice, most coaches would fancy that Essendon are the more enticing proposition.

“I think he will go for the club with more resources at their disposal,” predicted Dermott Brereton, one of two board members who voted against Clarkson’s appointment at Hawthorn in 2004. Brereton left the Hawthorn board after Clarkson’s first year because he felt the coach needed a clean slate and only directors who had backed him.

Assuming Essendon come to the party with a similar deal of at least five years - and they will not get Clarkson if they don’t - North will only have a couple of selling points in comparison with the more powerful club.


One is that the Kangaroos will give Clarkson as much control as a coach can have in 2022, making him Denis Pagan redux. While handing a coach near-total control is often unhealthy, it is hard to see how Clarkson wouldn’t exercise that power at Arden Street.

North are approaching Clarkson on bended knee. The relationship will therefore be on his terms.

The other positive point of difference North can offer - and the romance of returning to his old club won’t count for much - is lower expectations. Clarkson would be expected to lift Essendon into finals immediately; at North, he will have a two- or three-year amnesty.

Based on his Hawthorn history, Clarkson will want to be sure that key figures at Essendon have his back. At Hawthorn, he had club legend Jason Dunstall, on the board from 2004 until 2013, in his corner and acting as human shield against Jeff Kennett.

Further, for most of his reign at Hawthorn, Chris Fagan was not only a rock in support, but also a voice who could temper Clarkson’s domineering excesses.
Essendon, thus, will need to demonstrate to Clarkson that his career won’t founder on club instability, divisions - such as those that have been exposed this week - or blunders in list management, conditioning and player welfare.

Clarkson withdraws from Giants race, open to talking to Essendon​

If true to his Hawthorn ways, people who worked with Clarkson at the Hawks reckon he will need to be assured that there are sufficient people he can trust, staff who will back him against all foes - foreign and domestic.

He would know that the Bombers have already treated their coach Ben Rutten shabbily and is entitled to know that if expectations aren’t met by the middle of 2024, that the Dons won’t diminish his authority. It is quite remarkable that Operation Clarko is in train while Rutten is the coach and contracted for 2023.

Essendon will need to earn Clarkson’s trust and hand him power. The club has not succeeded with any coach since Kevin Sheedy, having failed to date with two outsiders with Richmond pedigrees (Rutten and Matthew Knights), a big-name premiership coach (John Worsfold, imported in a crisis) and a deified favourite son (James Hird) whose tenure was undone by the drugs saga.

To land Clarkson, Essendon will need to hand him more authority than any coach since Sheedy (possibly excepting Hird). In effect, this means facilitating his choice of assistants, his fitness/conditioning man (he’s worked at Hawthorn with Essendon incumbent Sean Murphy) and, not least, he will want a say in the person managing the list. Some assistants, such as Blake Caracella, are contracted for next year.

Todd Viney is viewed as a probable Clarkson lieutenant. Viney worked at Melbourne with football boss Josh Mahoney, whom Clarkson knows from their time at Port Adelaide.

New Essendon chairman David Barham, is a veteran TV sport producer.Credit:The Age

If Clarkson lands at Tullamarine, it will be fascinating to see whether he is willing to work with the charismatic, yet contentious list boss Adrian Dodoro, who is heavily aligned to Sheedy, now on the board and a paid consultant/ambassador with institutional clout.

If Clarkson and/or Viney want someone other than Dodoro, I doubt that Sheedy or any influential supporters - or even the board - would be able to veto his wish.
For the new president David Barham, the Clarkson equation is as follows: To get him, you hand him the keys and other forces within the club - coteries, past players and legends - will see their voices muted.
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That poor keyboard, you can feel the anger being punched with every letter typed
 
HELLSBELLS said:
SEN wont take my call to Gerard or answer my SMS to ask the weasel what's up his arse and why he clearly hates the idea of Clarko to North and why he's pushing Essendon.

Weak as piss.
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Gerard 'Here's one off the SMS from HellsBells they're asking, what's up my arse?'
 
Hearts to hearts said:
Weirdly, the things he says Essendon would need to guarantee Clarson are the things they seem unlikely to be able to deliver - internal unity, no interference from directors or coteries.
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Exactly.
 
The Filth Wizard said:
Unless you're making a Calabrian lasagne.

Sub out the bechamel for layers of ham and sliced boiled egg. It's insanely good.
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Hmmm now that does sound enticing... might look into it next batch of lasagne.

Still going to be hard to top the traditional with cheesy, nutmeggy bechamel.
 
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