Coach Alastair Clarkson III - new NMFC senior coach until at least end 2027 - NMFC board approved AC to start 1/11 amid ongoing HFC racism investigation

[DocSholl]

Yes, but the allegations in at least two of these stories go much further than that.

Also a big difference between telling someone to cut bad influences out and telling someone to cut a partner out, especially someone who may not have the same support networks as others.

 

[DuckYeah]

I’ll give the bloke a ****ing chance to see what comes out

 

[benbanjo]

I agree it's not good, and if his position is untenable then so be it. I am extremely proud of our club and it's stance against racism, gambling, support for refugees, and the like and would not like us deviate from that as an entire organisation (and to be honest I don't think Sonja would allow it).

My point is related to people can change though, and wrongs can be righted. I feel like everyone deserves that opportunity and they are more likely to take that opportunity in a better environment.

But I get your point, you don't let a child molester start work at a primary school because they have stopped the behaviour of child molestation (sorry about the crap analogy, I just didn't have another one come to mind).

 

[Makeshift Park]

Its bleak but I'm not sure what an AFL investigation is going to uncover that hasn't already been published.
Ian, Zac and Liam will have their accounts of those conversations, the coaches will have theirs.
Hard to see how this one gets resolved.

 

[DuckYeah]

Also a.big difference between telling someone to cut bad influences out and telling someone to cut a partner out, especially someone who may not have the same support networks as others.

Depends? Ive had mates with partners ive suggested should ****ing ditch the … I have a brother who I warned and ****ing said many things about having kids with said maniac, which today tells me.. “yeh, should of listened to ya”

Just so people know exactly what I said to my brother.

“You should seriously consider whar you are doing, having tin lids is a serious and important decision where by you should have all ypur ducks in a row before you bring life into this world. ****s sake campaigner, if our lives weren’t ****ing hard enough, you want kids without being financially secure, you’re smoked campaigner”

 

[Kanga Glory]

Seriously the pile on is at * levels. Hawthorns report says one thing , our man says another.
Do you really think a man in that position like Clarko would do that knowing the consequences. I’m not assuming but Clarko has come out and said that’s not happened on his watch.
Sad that they have said it happened but we need to understand the process and leave it

 

[DuckYeah]

I agree it's not good, and if his position is untenable then so be it. I am extremely proud of our club and it's stance against racism, gambling, support for refugees, and the like and would not like us deviate from that as an entire organisation (and to be honest I don't think Sonja would allow it).

My point is related to people can change though, and wrongs can be righted. I feel like everyone deserves that opportunity and they are more likely to take that opportunity in a better environment.

But I get your point, you don't let a child molester start work at a primary school because they have stopped the behaviour of child molestation (sorry about the crap analogy, I just didn't have another one come to mind).

Yeh thats a poor analogy, probably beyond poor

 

[Smoocher]

Right here . High horse? Yeah ok mate the scary ABC has nothing better to do than not check legally their content

I guess we look at things differently.

I'm a staunch supporter of innocent until proven guilty.

If it comes out to be true than I'd be first in line to say sack Clarko but until then I'm in the Clarko camp.







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[Brian Fontana]

Im feeling better about this from a club standpoint, since the clarkson refute's allegations as well as Fagan's story.
Honestly in your heart does anyone actually believe the journalist headline "Clarkson told me to kill my unborn son". Tell me that is not sensationalism? When players like Jed who I posted earlier were in the exact same boat, and maybe even more as a high draft pick having kids from the same background yet thanking the club for it's amazing support. At one point does an adult take responsibility for their actions.There is no way it was coming from a bad place. There's no doubt there would have been conversations on their life choices, much that happens with ALL background in the AFL and about what they want to be and what path they want to take. I'm sure Chris Fagan and Clarko didn't MAKE anyone have an abortion or act the way they have been portrayed having seen them speak and the praise for them from all walks of life for the last 15 years. No dount there are some truths to some of their stories but there's an element of how someone portrays an event thats ten years old to another

 

[Kangaroos techno]

Its bleak but I'm not sure what an AFL investigation is going to uncover that hasn't already been published.
Ian, Zac and Liam will have their accounts of those conversations, the coaches will have theirs.
Hard to see how this one gets resolved.

I agree. For this reason, i think it comes down to public perception - which the media will play a big role in. The spanner for the AFL is brisbane. They've come a long way from where they were a few years ago. If it didn't involve an AFL franchise I think Hawthorn and North would be thrown under the bus by the AFL.

How the AFL media reports all of this will give us a good idea of how it's going to go imo. Calculated leaks etc. No doubt Caro and Kane will go after Sonja but that's a surprise to no one.

 

[Le Grille]

I guess we look at things differently.

I'm a staunch supporter of innocent until proven guilty.

If it comes out to be true than I'd be first in line to say sack Clarko but until then I'm in the Clarko camp.







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I never said he wasnt in fact I’ve gone to lengths to explain that minimising the allegations and persecution without proof are equally bad. I hope it isn’t true but at this stage it’s certainly enough to require an investigation

The article was written as it was detailed to the reporter.

I was merely quibbling regarding the comments made that it’s been sensationalised and that it’s the ABCs MO.

I think the content itself created the sensation, any explosive parts were the quotes from the people not the reporter.

 

[Psicosis]

I’m confident he will be coaching next year. The media narrative has already changed since his statement was released.

Unfortunately I don’t think we will ever know exactly what is the truth.

 

[Sticksphat]

You’re telling me that if the coach told you to get your gf an abortion, you wouldn’t be going to one of the senior indigenous players about it?

You can’t tell me that Burgoyne, Hill or Rioli wouldn’t be open to hear any issue that a young indigenous player would have regardless of where it came from.

I don't know, I'm not a young indiginous man whose only real chance of financial sucess reste on complying with the prevailing culture of an AFL club seeking success at almost any cost. Would players put aside their own personal doubts to keep in with the prevailing culture, ask essendon.

 

[blackshadow]

I wonder if Hawthorn disclose the information to north when we were after him as a coach…Whether he did it or not…Jonathan Hay

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all over again…Either way it goes it is bad for football…Hope all involve have support around them…


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I’d says no as from what I’ve read hawthorn has only had the report for a couple of weeks.

 

[DuckYeah]

I’m confident he will be coaching next year. The media narrative has already changed since his statement was released.

Unfortunately I don’t think we will ever know exactly what is the truth.

I am too, I also suspect a monster defamation case.

How many times has this bloke stood down the barrel and called out racism? I find it very difficult to hang this bloke out

 

[Passmore]

I’m confident he will be coaching next year. The media narrative has already changed since his statement was released.

Unfortunately I don’t think we will ever know exactly what is the truth.

The player’s feelings will need to be taken into account.

 

[Samsquanch]

So he hasn’t read the report but he denied all wrong doing

He would be denying the claims in the media report which are supposed to be greater in scope than the official report.

 

[Scottroo]

Also a big difference between telling someone to cut bad influences out and telling someone to cut a partner out, especially someone who may not have the same support networks as others.

Not everyone is an angel mate. That partner could have previous issues (speculation)

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I’m confident he will be coaching next year. The media narrative has already changed since his statement was released.

Unfortunately I don’t think we will ever know exactly what is the truth.

I'm also worried about the impact of this on our Jy, TT, etc and attracting quality people/players to the club.

 

[SammyRoo]

I agree it's not good, and if his position is untenable then so be it. I am extremely proud of our club and it's stance against racism, gambling, support for refugees, and the like and would not like us deviate from that as an entire organisation (and to be honest I don't think Sonja would allow it).

My point is related to “ people can change” though, and wrongs can be righted. I feel like everyone deserves that opportunity and they are more likely to take that opportunity in a better environment.

 

[justroyal]

The reporter is just reporting what’s in the Hawks report. Unless it’s not in the report, what he’s done is just report facts.

Yeah just considering he is going to be the name that has broken this story and has had interviews with those involved via the ABC (?) - you would imagine that both his and Clarksons credentials are on the line here. (I’m not swaying towards who may be right or wrong) just that there would be serious ramifications for either. One breaking the story and the other straight out disputing any wrong doing via a press release. It’s going to be ugly

 

[DuckYeah]

Yeah, fair call. Was trying to get to a point, guess the analogy should have been left off.

End of the day, just wanted to say people can change particularly in the right environment.

Does he need to change? Was this Hawthorns way of dealing with serious welfare concerns? Was this ticked off by health professionals if that was the case? Which ****ing player? The longer the identity is anonymous the more I believe Clarkson.

Is Kennet a ****ing racist dog.. ABSO****INGLUTELY.

Clarkson? ****in, MASSIVE ACCUSATION.

 

[Psicosis]

I'm also worried about the impact of this on our Jy, TT, etc and attracting quality people/players to the club.

Without speaking to the players, I’m not. The fact that Jy’s mate Hill wants to come play for Clarkson, speaks for itself.

 

[DuckYeah]

Massive massive accusations

 

[Psicosis]

Without going full Tef…

What I will say… It’s curious that a hawthorn commissioned report that was brought on due to racist allegations against Kennett, has resulted in the public sacrificing of only ex hawthorn employees.



Meanwhile this bloke isn’t mentioned & happens to be overseas.

I’m not one to buy into conspiracies, but as I said… curious.