Coach Alastair Clarkson IV - HFC Racism Investigation Discussion

[Clarke is King]

Okay so what happens next? Is this done or is there more to play out?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Okay so what happens next? Is this done or is there more to play out?

More to play out. Afl have basically wiped their hands of it.

 

[Makeshift Park]

‘Still don’t feel like I belong’: Eddie Betts’ heartfelt plea for all clubs to investigate racism after Hawks report

‘Still don’t feel like I belong’: Betts’ heartfelt plea for all clubs to investigate racism

www.foxsports.com.au

I can't see too much Betts should regret there.

He avoided character assassination and used the opportunity to reflect on broader issues facing indigenous people in footy and in society more generally.

Certainly seemed more circumspect than a lot of other commentary that was made in the 24 hours after the story was released.

 

[Clarke is King]

More to play out. Afl have basically wiped their hands of it.

Can anyone explain what is likely to happen next?

 

[gokangas]

Can anyone explain what is likely to happen next?

Looks like it goes to Human Rights Commission from what I can see. It is far from over. Just the AFL has washed their hands-off the investigation. Tend to agree with some comments here that defamation action by the three would be unlikely as it would them mean all allegations would be tested in open court. Will be interesting to watch next steps. One thing is certain - not finished yet. Feel for everyone involved tbh.

 

[blackshadow]

Okay so what happens next? Is this done or is there more to play out?

 

[DocSholl]

I can't see too much Betts should regret there.

He avoided character assassination and used the opportunity to reflect on broader issues facing indigenous people in footy and in society more generally.

Certainly seemed more circumspect than a lot of other commentary that was made in the 24 hours after the story was released.

Not to mention he ends up having to be the voice of racism every time something happens. It must be exhausting

 

[Makeshift Park]

Not to mention he ends up having to be the voice of racism every time something happens. It must be exhausting

Bloody oath.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

My feeling is that if Clarko feels the need to clear his name, and his lawyers are strongly confident of the evidence and receiving a win, then he should feel free to do it. But if he does it has to be with the understanding he isn't guaranteed the verdict he wants, and that an adverse finding would put him in a worse position than he is now.

I liked Fagan's stance of "******* try me."

This is Fagan after reading the Hawthorn documents:

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

AFL shuts down Hawthorn racism review as First Nations players seek to 'resolve all differences'.

Russell reappears.

Rusty: Can't we all be friends?

 

[NMFC49]

This is what I'm told happened

Kennett leaking the report to a contributor journalist for the ABC.? Give us a break. The leak most likely came from the bloke who hasn't been talked about for a while. The same bloke that's under a police investigation on another matter.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Has anyone questioned him about the timing? They must have. I haven’t paid as much attention to it as others, so I could have missed it.

It’s so on the nose. IIRC The whole reason they did the investigation was because of the fall out with his comments to the Rioli’s, then they exclude the period when he was president, and to cap it off the story was leaked to the ABC while Jeff was conveniently on a cruise and apparently unable to be contacted.

The other aspect of timing is that as I recall, the Jackson article blew this whole thing up when Jeff was overseas.

 

[giantroo]

However should the case advance to the Human Rights Commission, Clarkson, Fagan and Burt, who’ve long denied any wrongdoing but were never formally interviewed on the matter, would need to attend compulsory mediation.

It would require the First Nations families to put their testimonies on record, meaning their identities would be made public for the first time.

“It’s far from the end of this story,” Chief Herald Sun reporter and AFL 360 co-host Mark Robinson said on Tuesday night.

“My information tonight is it is destined for the Human Rights commission.”

If consolidation can’t be reached, the families could sue for discrimination in the Federal Court, while the entire process reportedly could drag out for another couple of years.

 

[czero]

****ing rusty.

As others have mentioned, you read through that article and when it comes to describing the outcome they separate the quotes and content out to make it seem as dodgy as possible.

They try very hard to make sure they never connect that the families agreed that the coaches had no case to answer, instead they agreed to end it. And that the AFL 'terminated' it.

Using single word quote on how the AFL "cleared" the coaches is also another trick to make it seem dodgy. The whole thing is a disgrace from the ABC, still cannot quite understand how Rusty thought his original bullshit article was good to go, and how he probably still thinks he was in the right - he's hurt everyone involved with his carelessness.

 

[czero]

I have my doubts it will ever go there.

You would need to come out from under the protection of anonymity to do that right?

 

[Harris 10]

"It would require the First Nations families to put their testimonies on record, meaning their identities would be made public for the first time."

This is not going to end well for the families, can you imagine the grubby journos lining up to reveal their identities.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Can anyone explain what is likely to happen next?

It will almost certainly be a simple capitulation by Hawthorn and a large amount of money will leave their bank account. Along with apologies and concessions from them. I envisage an agreement between families and coaches not to drag this out further as each knows the other side can destroy reputations forever with what's known. AHRC or Federal Court or defamation will be parked permanently. AFL will slug Hawthorn. It's not going to be a very interesting end. Quite dull in fact.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

I have my doubts it will ever go there.

You would need to come out from under the protection of anonymity to do that right?

It doesn't serve anyone's interest and nothing will be achieved.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

 

[ansonholt]

I've had a quick look at the last few pages of the corresponding thread on the Hawthorn board. Summarising:

• Nervousness amongst many over what the AFL will do
• One poster even suggested forming a breakaway competition and ditching the AFL
• Some think Kennett is a campaigner and is now beyond reach, so it's frustrating
• They demand to know who leaked the report
• Club director Andy Gowers has a presser at 11am

 

[gokangas]

Kennett leaking the report to a contributor journalist for the ABC.? Give us a break. The leak most likely came from the bloke who hasn't been talked about for a while. The same bloke that's under a police investigation on another matter.

That is the strongest rumour (JK leak) - don't know if true but some folk in the media believe so.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I've had a quick look at the last few pages of the corresponding thread on the Hawthorn board. Summarising:

• Nervousness amongst many over what the AFL will do
• One poster even suggested forming a breakaway competition and ditching the AFL
• Some think Kennett is a campaigner and is now beyond reach, so it's frustrating
• They demand to know who leaked the report

• Club director Andy Gowers has a presser at 11am

You missed one point.

- Reaction to danj's drive by post.

 

[utility]

As someone who has raised a complaint via the AHRC, any action is likely to drag out and go nowhere. The AHRC only plays a mediation role.

You need to commence civil (or private criminal) proceedings in court otherwise it's largely a waste of time.

 

[giantroo]

I do find it a little hyperbolic that people are touting the next big step for the complainants is the Human Rights commission, like that’s some thunderbolt from the gods. The routine process there? … conciliation

it’s not a court, and after the HRC you have to go to the federal court. So any legal process is likely to take literally years, which will put the onus on everyone to find a settlement

And if Clarkson and co are named as individual respondents, I’d guess they will cross-sue for defamation

Good times for everyone involved … except of course Jeffery, the only known perpetrator

As above re the HRC.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Kennett leaking the report to a contributor journalist for the ABC.? Give us a break. The leak most likely came from the bloke who hasn't been talked about for a while. The same bloke that's under a police investigation on another matter.

That is still a damnation of the investigation that Kennett and Reeves established as they handed the job to someone without the integrity required to ensure the confidentiality and trust that was promised to the families, and that should have been a given for all current and former employees of the football club.