Coach Alastair Clarkson IV - HFC Racism Investigation Discussion

[DuckYeah]

TBC (in true North circa 2022 fashion). A few days to be precise.

Why dont oppo boards show the same tolerance as our board? I accidentally went into the Hawforn board and gave a back handed compliment years ago and was suspended, saints board too. I just pretend they dont exist anymore

 

[Kangalongtime]

They were smashing into clarko the day it got announced.
Reckon they could be in line for defamation.

Maher was in particular salivating with over the top WOKE hysteria. Never have I felt more sickened by the media than listening to those two that day. From that day forward not once have I listened to a second of those two . Similar to my decision of blocking Cornes from my life has been the better for it

 

[see see]

On a scale of 1- 10, with 10 being the most extreme, how bad would Gowers want Kennett to shut the * up right about now?

Gowers has had the demeanour of a man who knows his club is going to cop a whack. Kennett‘s outburst is just going to pour fuel on it.

 

[travelli]

Maher was in particular salivating with over the top WOKE hysteria. Never have I felt more sickened by the media than listening to those two that day. From that day forward not once have I listened to a second of those two . Similar to my decision of blocking Cornes from my life has been the better for it

Nothing woke about it. The events either happened or they didn't. Clarko's reputation will be tarnished until this is addressed.

That's why this must end up in the civil courts. This afl outcome has answered nothing. They have essentially just said "we are not qualified to deal with this". Which is fair enough really. They run a sports competition, not an arbitration body.

 

[Danni_Benson]

Only real news to come out tonight is why this couldnt be determined 7 months ago?

I find it staggering that this seems to only have come to a head because of Clarko’s actions to stand down.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

danj went full DuckYeah on an oppo board?

You never go full DuckYeah.

 

[travelli]

I find it staggering that this seems to only have come to a head because of Clarko’s actions to stand down.

$$$ in that

 

[giantroo]

While following this thread... I see that Andy Maher and Andrew Gaze have copped a bit of a clip.
I assume they both jumped on the 'guilty until proven innocent' train on SEN.
Does anyone have access to or copies of what they actually said as the story originally broke?
I know you've got something up your sleeve GR!

I sure do.

Here is the audio from that day:

Full Show 21.09 by The Run Home with Andy & Gazey

Full Show 21.09 from The Run Home with Andy & Gazey on Podchaser, aired Wednesday, 21st September 2022.On the show today Collingwood coach and AFL Coaches Association coach of the year Craig McRae plus all the reaction to the huge racism story engulfing Hawthorn, Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan…

www.podchaser.com

 

[KickItAnywhere34]

For those that missed my earlier posts this is what I have in regards to Clarko.

1. There will be no legal action - he just wants this done and dusted. Expect a similar statement from him as to what Fagan put out. Then expect some form of agreement from all parties not to proceed with legal/ HRC action.
2. He will return either the Bulldogs game or more likely first game after the bye against Adelaide.
3. For those saying what’s in it for the families to proceed that way - simple - Hawthorn are now in the gun for their behavior through this whole saga. Expect they will face sanctions and have to cough up cash and apologies.

This from the same source as I’ve had in regards to when we were chasing Clarko - I trust it will be fairly accurate.

 

[giantroo]

 

[giantroo]

 

[blackshadow]

 

[shintemaster]

TBC (in true North circa 2022 fashion). A few days to be precise.

Oooof. Not 2 weeks I hope...

 

[numchuks]

For those that missed my earlier posts this is what I have in regards to Clarko.

1. There will be no legal action - he just wants this done and dusted. Expect a similar statement from him as to what Fagan put out. Then expect some form of agreement from all parties not to proceed with legal/ HRC action.
2. He will return either the Bulldogs game or more likely first game after the bye against Adelaide.
3. For those saying what’s in it for the families to proceed that way - simple - Hawthorn are now in the gun for their behavior through this whole saga. Expect they will face sanctions and have to cough up cash and apologies.

This from the same source as I’ve had in regards to when we were chasing Clarko - I trust it will be fairly accurate.

So you’re saying Clarko and Fagan will not pursue legal action after their reputations have been tarnished?

Yet Hawthorn will be punished for their handling of racism issues.

As they were both coaches there at the time this occurred and had been accused of racism, I’m not sure it’s a great out come.

The neurtal observers will still walk away believing Clarko did something wrong and forced someone to have an abortion.

 

[giantroo]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/hawthorn-racism-scandal-jeff-kennett-hits-back-at-afl-ceo-gill-mclachlans-suggestion-the-hawks-could-be-punished/news-story/435bfc91f6ea60c4fb27c7fef3e7fd1a

Hawthorn could be stripped of draft picks and fined over its handling of its racism investigation with the AFL weighing up whether to charge the club for bringing the game into disrepute.

As the AFL terminated the independent investigation without laying charges against Alastair Clarkson, Chris Fagan or Jason Burt the league also dropped a potential bomb on the Hawks.

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan said the club’s failure to give Clarkson, Fagan and Burt a right of reply would form the basis of a potential charge.

“The process whereby allegations were aired without anybody having the ability to respond to them has provided an environment where there has been many parties – complainants and the defendants – put in a hugely vulnerable situation, and it’s had an impact across the industry for all First Nations people and others,” McLachlan said.

“I think that’s something that needs to be contemplated.”

The loss of draft picks would be disastrous for Hawthorn’s rebuild under coach Sam Mitchell, with the club’s first pick currently No.3.

Former Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett declared there was no basis for the Hawks to be punished by the AFL for undertaking its cultural review.

“I am profoundly disappointed at the comments by the AFL CEO tonight that they are contemplating taking action against the Hawthorn Football Club,” Kennett said.
“What Hawthorn did in trying to establish whether racial discrimination was widespread in the club was absolutely the correct thing to do.”

Kennett said the club was not responsible for the devastating leak of the report to the ABC in Grand Final week last year.

“That was the trigger that caused the firestorm and the attack on the reputations of the three who stood accused,” he said.

McLachlan said the decision whether to charge Hawthorn would be made by the AFL’s “general counsel (Stephen Meade) and or the Commission”.

Under rule 1.6 the Hawks could be charged with engaging in conduct that is “unbecoming or likely to prejudice the interests or reputation of the Australian Football League or to bring the game of football into disrepute”.

In 2013 the AFL kicked Essendon out of finals, fined the club $2 million and stripped the club of early draft picks in the next two drafts under that rule.

The Binmada review was commissioned by the Hawks board in April last year after favourite son Cyril Rioli and wife Shannyn made claims of racial incidents at the club.

“Gillon McLachlan can’t have his cake and eat it,” Kennett said.

“He can’t on the one hand say it was wrong to find out whether the allegations of the Riolis were widespread or not - and then on finding that there was no substance against any of the three Hawthorn officials - he can’t then say that the club has done anything but the right thing in the interests of a safe workplace.

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“We did what any employer would do when something is brought to their attention. We tried to find out whether it was widespread or just isolated. We got the stories, a number of startling, disappointing responses - they have now been investigated and (it was) found that those stories had no substance.”

Kennett said he “trusted” that the current Hawthorn board would have “the courage to actually defend the actions it has taken” and will “argue the case very strongly”.

 

[travelli]

For those that missed my earlier posts this is what I have in regards to Clarko.

1. There will be no legal action - he just wants this done and dusted. Expect a similar statement from him as to what Fagan put out. Then expect some form of agreement from all parties not to proceed with legal/ HRC action.
2. He will return either the Bulldogs game or more likely first game after the bye against Adelaide.
3. For those saying what’s in it for the families to proceed that way - simple - Hawthorn are now in the gun for their behavior through this whole saga. Expect they will face sanctions and have to cough up cash and apologies.

This from the same source as I’ve had in regards to when we were chasing Clarko - I trust it will be fairly accurate.

I just think it will eat clarko up if he doesn't get a resolution. You saw Fagan's comments. He pretty much wants it to go to the courts

 

[giantroo]

 

[Eggs11]

Watch Justice Besanko in the Federal Court when he hands down his judgement today in Smith v. Channel 9. He’ll likely take a shot at lawyers wasting court time and clients’ money. I hope it will hose down lawyers on all sides.

 

[KickItAnywhere34]

So you’re saying Clarko and Fagan will not pursue legal action after their reputations have been tarnished?

Yet Hawthorn will be punished for their handling of racism issues.

As they were both coaches there at the time this occurred and had been accused of racism, I’m not sure it’s a great out come.

The neurtal observers will still walk away believing Clarko did something wrong and forced someone to have an abortion.

No - there is no finding of racism - Fagan has even commented on the documents released to him in this regard and based on that the AFL investigation could not find against them on any grounds let alone racism. Hawthorn will not be sanctioned because of racism - they will be sanctioned because they presided over an unsafe workplace and threw 3 blokes under a bus by their handling of the report. Ever wondered why Justin Reeves quit this week. He knows Hawthorn are in the gun. This is completely mutually exclusive to Clarkson and Fagan as ultimately the club is responsible for the way those indigenous families felt about their time at Hawthorn.
The 2 coaches I have been told have no interest in legal proceedings and just wish to get on with what they are paid to do - coach.

 

[KickItAnywhere34]

I just think it will eat clarko up if he doesn't get a resolution. You saw Fagan's comments. He pretty much wants it to go to the courts

No Fagan is daring them to go knowing that they won’t. He has no interest on a court date. He and Clarko are positioning themselves to get an agreement with all parties not to proceed further. That’s as good as being cleared.

 

[scottywiper]

Eddie Betts threw Clarkson,etc under bus on AFL 360 when it all came out

 

[scottywiper]

It wouldn’t surprise me if that *er Kennett leaked it as some vindictive plan to * Clarko over.

The terms of reference were interesting that he had them specifically exclude periods of time that could incriminate him. If you are going to investigate why exclude periods of time?

It would be the karma bus hitting him between the eyes if it turns out Hawthorn get sanctioned for the whole fiasco.

This is what I'm told happened

 

[giantroo]

Eddie Betts threw Clarkson,etc under bus on AFL 360 when it all came out

‘Still don’t feel like I belong’: Eddie Betts’ heartfelt plea for all clubs to investigate racism after Hawks report

‘Still don’t feel like I belong’: Betts’ heartfelt plea for all clubs to investigate racism

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Gone north]

To all the posters in this thread that went completely overboard when the accusations came out...... (and you know who you are) ... where are you today?

 

[justroyal]

I hope people start giving it those two today