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I seriously can't believe people are questioning Mackenzie's place in the squad. He, Taylor and Thompson (leaving out McPharlin due to injury) have been far and away the standout KPD's this year.
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Rubbish. Marks anywhere are less relevant than I50 stats. They simply demonstrate how you get the ball, not what you do with it. Despite spending less time I50 (and therefore pumping the ball into the forward 50 more often), and taking less marks, Buddy still managed to kick MORE goals in LESS games. Sure JR had more assists but taking into account the game differential, Buddy would have closed that gap anyway and further opened the gap on goals, I50s etc had they played the same amount of games.
However, as I said in the post you quoted, despite the stats NOT showing JR as having had a better year - let's ignore the stats and say he did. It is still absolutely fanciful of you to suggest that JR had a FAR BETTER year, which is what you initially said.
Why do I50 marks matter at all?
You can kick 50 goals from 0 inside 50 marks.
You can also kick goals from outside 50.
You've just chosen the stats that make Riewoldt's year look better than Franklins.
In reality neither of them deserved to make it over Roughead/Kennedy/Cameron.
Theres your 3 talls, add Thomas, Wingard and a leftover midfielder and you've got your forward 6 for the 22.
Re Hibberd, Libba and Hanley - AA regularly misses out on obvious first-time selections only to reward them the next year when they probably don't deserve it.
I know it's hard squeezing 60-80 players who have had great seasons into 40 and not saying I could do a better job, but always surprised how there seems to be a handful of questionable selections every year.
How are i50 marks irrelevant for a forward? That is one of the most relevant stats.
Also Franklin only played only 2 MORE GAMES. And Jack was involved in 83 goals to Franklins 69. He wasnt going to make up 14 goals in two games. Jack was the better forward, all the stats show it.
Because full forwards are supposed to take marks inside 50. The more marks inside 50, the more opportunities your team has. Why do you think they always ring up inside 50 marks for each team during the match? Because it shows how well your forwards and forward line is working.
Also I never said they did. I didn't Jack think was a chance, just thought Buddy once again gets rated higher than he should. Jack won the Coleman last year and couldn't even get in. Yet Buddy does with these very average stats?
LOL that North who finished 10th have 4 nominations yet Tigers and Blues who will both play finals have zero.
The games he missed were Port Adelaide (out of form), Bulldogs (out of form), Saints (shit all year round). He could've quite easily got 20 or more goal involvements in these games
How are i50 marks irrelevant for a forward? That is one of the most relevant stats.
Also Franklin only played only 2 MORE GAMES. And Jack was involved in 83 goals to Franklins 69. He wasnt going to make up 14 goals in two games. Jack was the better forward, all the stats show it.
I seriously can't believe people are questioning Mackenzie's place in the squad. He, Taylor and Thompson (leaving out McPharlin due to injury) have been far and away the standout KPD's this year.
Marks are irrelevant because what you do with the ball is what counts. Not how you get it. Despite taking less marks, Franklin still kicked more goals and also put the ball inside 50 far more all while playing less games.
The stats show nothing of the sort to indicate he was better. However, for the 3rd time I will allow you to take the stance he was better and ask you again to demonstrate why he was FAR BETTER, which is what you said. It's 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other and as DangerSloane indicated, neither played well enough to get into the final team anyway. If one was better than the other it's marginal either way - based on stats and simply watching their output for the year without the benefit of any statistical data. However, you said JR had a FAR BETTER year. I say you're talking complete and utter BS.
Cloke, Cameron and Kennedy have been about equal this season IMO. But I would have Roughead a notch above those three. I think next season's Coleman race will be one of the closest yet with so many quality key forwards; Roughead, Kennedy, Cloke, Cameron, J.Riewoldt, Franklin, N.Riewoldt, Hawkins, Walker, Darling, Tippett, Schulz, Pavlich if he can manage a full season. Really exciting.I'd have the 2 key forward slots to Roughead & Cloke. They have been significantly better than the next closest KPF.
Cloke, Cameron and Kennedy have been about equal this season
Thomas, as the leading small forward scorer in the comp, was always going to make the squad.
Only a moron would think otherwise.
Jesus a lot's been made of Cotchin apparently having a down year but despite all the claims of how good a year Boak's been having I'd venture Cotchin has impacted more heavily across the season than he has. And Swan, who has been inconsistent but to make sure Eddie doesn't cry he's in to.
Crock of sh*t.
Swan's averaging 31 disposals. Cotchin 26.
Swan's scored 18 goals. Cotchin 4.
Yep. Only in because of Eddie though.
It's not all about marks. You also have to take into consideration the pressure they apply to the opposition and what they do when they don't have the ball.Kennedy & Cameron fell off at the end of season whereas Cloke kept on going.
Contested marks. Cloke 55 (1st by 7 league wide), Kennedy 34, Cameron 20.
Marks inside 50. Cloke 97 (1st by 25 league wide), Kennedy 62, Cameron 47.
Marks. Cloke 183 (2nd league wide), Kennedy 143, Cameron 106.
Goals. Cloke 66 (highest average of any player), Kennedy 60, Cameron 62 (1 more game).
Cloke & Roughead are neck to neck than a fair gap to the next KPF.
How so? By playing more games, as a deeper forward, and not only understandably having less disposals, but also less goals? Add in less tackles and less I50s. JR has more goal assists.
Stats aren't the be and and end all as we often hear so let's exclude them for a minute and assume that JR has had a better year than Franklin > now go ahead and explain how he has had a FAR BETTER year.
Martin is a midfielder. The other two are forwards, who spent a little amount of time in the midfield.
did you think cotchin was stiff because he is the equal of harry taylor and mackie?
It's not all about marks. You also have to take into consideration the pressure they apply to the opposition and what they do when they don't have the ball.
Tackles:
Kennedy - 69
Roughead - 55
Cameron - 27
Cloke - 27
And assists:
Roughead - 18
Kennedy - 17
Cameron - 11
Cloke - 7
Walker was really Carlton's best player this year? I didn't see a lot of them so I don't know.That's ok, based on North's season they are way out in front when the result is still being determined, but will have nothing to show for it once the siren sounds (when team of 22 announced)....
ps - just having a laugh, actually agree that Norf at least had more individually standout players than Carlton.
Only Carlton player I feel is stiff on missing the 40 is is Walker. And maaaaybe Henderson, but possibly a victim of being swingman (demands a place neither as back or fwd).