Dream Boat said:
Lets see now, Burgouyne on a HBF instead of Andrew McLeod.....yeh, good one.
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Lets see now, Burgouyne on a HBF instead of Andrew McLeod.....yeh, good one.
Chewy said:
Thats stupid.
The AA team should be about selecting the best players from each position. Sadly, we know that this isn't how it works since Robertson got shafted last year and Spider Everitt was named as a forward pocket.
I don't mind so much if good forwards are named anywhere within the forward line, but you can't just pick 22 great midfielders, name them at CHB and pretend it's an AA team.
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AllStar7 said:Thats stupid.
The AA team should be about selecting the best players from each position. Sadly, we know that this isn't how it works since Robertson got shafted last year and Spider Everitt was named as a forward pocket.
I don't mind so much if good forwards are named anywhere within the forward line, but you can't just pick 22 great midfielders, name them at CHB and pretend it's an AA team.
I don't mean the A/A team should be the best 22 footballers per se, I mean that it has to at least resemble a team we'd want to send to the World Cup (if there was an Aussie Rules World Cup) The selectors should balance the season's form with the player's overall class. It should only be for the A Grade players, not a B Grade player who's had a fantastic season. Some of these B-graders get over-hyped in my opinion and we also tend to take for granted just how good the A-Graders actually are.
I also disagree with your notion of picking the team simply by position. This is something that a lot of people have trouble understanding with AA selections. It is an individual award to recognise the outstanding players in the game. If in one particular season 4 or 5 of the best key forwards have oustanding seasons, the selectors will be flexible and try to fit them all in the one side. This happened in 2004. Another year, most of the good forwards had injury hit years and there were a dozen or so midfielders that had brilliant seasons. In this case selectors only chose a CHF and FF and filled the other forward spots (and interchange) with the midfielders who narrowly missed out on the Wing, Centre, Ruck Rover or Rover positions. Sometimes none of the full backs have warranted selection, but there were 2 stand out CHBs, so the selectors have used both CHBs in the key defensive positions. In some years, only one ruckman has been selected. Some years they pick a small forward in the forward pocket, other years they name a resting rover.
Flexibility is a good thing. You don't want undeserving players receiving the honour. It's more about fitting 22 players into something that looks roughly like a team sheet, rather than picking each on a strict position by position basis.
What about the versatile players ? Looking at positions only discriminates against the gifted footballers who are swung around to plug holes and fill team needs. Some of the most valuable footballers are the ones that are versatile. Look at West Coast defenders like Daniel Chick and Adam Hunter. Both can be swung forward to great effect, both can also sacrifice their game to play a purely negative role on the opposition star, both can also play the role of rebounding defender.
Lastly on the Russell Robertson vs Spider Everitt debate from last year, I have a few points:
Everitt, along with Cox were among the very best players in the competition in 2005 so the A/A selectors rewarded them by naming them both in the starting 18. You cannot deny Spida a place just because your favourite player missed out. Russell Robertson doesn't have some mortgage on the forward pocket. He was your full forward and "go to" guy in 2005, while Neitz was a decoy. The selectors would've weighed up the round 1-15 form of Mark Williams, the round 7-22 form of Robbo, the so-so form of Coleman Medallist Fraser Gehrig and decided that none were better than Barry Hall. They would've debated whether any of them had such great years they should've been named alongside Hall in the pocket. Warren Tredrea would've been more closely considered for FP in 2005 than Robbo.
The debate on Big Footy shouldn't really have been about Everitt vs Robertson. You should've focused instead on the smaller forwards named like Shannon Grant, Brad Johnson or even the 4 benchwarmers. I reckon they the selectors got it right and Robbo was unlucky. Some unlucky people are going to miss out.
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Replace Glass with Rutten-pretty even between the two though.
Replace K.Cornes with O'Bree or O'Keefe-Cornes has been well below his form of last year, with the exception of yesterday's game.
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jude bolton anywhere??? at least put him on the unlucky list.
FB is highl debatable. glass, rutten or scarlett? its a toss of the coin between glass or rutten, because you gotta reward winning teams.
judd, kerr, cousins will be first choice midfielders in most teams if not all. so why not have them all in the AA team if form warrants it.
FB is highl debatable. glass, rutten or scarlett? its a toss of the coin between glass or rutten, because you gotta reward winning teams.
judd, kerr, cousins will be first choice midfielders in most teams if not all. so why not have them all in the AA team if form warrants it.
from the eagles that have a chance at making it
Glass Cousins Judd Kerr Nicoski and cox if he can get back to the form he was in at the start of the year and maybe even Graham
Glass Cousins Judd Kerr Nicoski and cox if he can get back to the form he was in at the start of the year and maybe even Graham
Jude bolton should be in there for sure. Kane cornes to make way. Get cheap possessions unlike his brother.
Mcleod Should be on a back flank. Hodge should be in the middle.
Mcleod Should be on a back flank. Hodge should be in the middle.
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They managed to cram Hayes, Ball and Dal Santo into the St Kilda love-in from last year....
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So many Port players despite their lacklustre form is interesting.
^^ The team does suck, but Lade probably is the 2nd best ruckman in the league at the moment. Chad Cornes is probably around the mark, but I'll be annoyed if he his stuck in the side at CHB considering he has barely played there this year.
At least that shouldn't be happening this year.
From the Crows
Rutten, Bassett, Johncock and McLeod from defence.
Goodwin, Edwards from the midfield.
Ricciuto from the forward line.
These are the biggest chances for the Crows. Hart would have been pushing to make it 5 of the back 6, but injury will make sure he doesn't make it.
Black JuJu said:
At least that shouldn't be happening this year.
From the Crows
Rutten, Bassett, Johncock and McLeod from defence.
Goodwin, Edwards from the midfield.
Ricciuto from the forward line.
These are the biggest chances for the Crows. Hart would have been pushing to make it 5 of the back 6, but injury will make sure he doesn't make it.
Well done for starting the discussion, but be prepared for precious fools to call you an idiot for leaving out a player that may have simply slipped your mind.
For mine you've got too many Port players and I think you need to fit Didak in there somewhere.
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For mine you've got too many Port players and I think you need to fit Didak in there somewhere.
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Dream Boat said:
Why no didak.
Tarkyn Lockyer in the back pocket anyone. Him before Benny Johnson IMO, maybe both of them could get in. Gee, even Heater is a chance. Raffle the Coll BP's. Oh yeah, Clement could even get in there, but the other 3 have had better year than him.
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rick James said:
Don't kill McLean with praise. He is going to be a very good player. but he is not AA material just yet.
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Possibilities from Freo - Pavlich, JCarr, Johnson, Grover. I reckon despite Farmer's good form, he'd have to kick 60+ goals to be looked at.
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He is a run away entrant in the AA team....not sure what AA stands for here....
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Cox form has dropped off (mainly due to foot soreness) and I cant see him getting back too his best until after the break, wudnt put him as AA 18 yet..... Heres how it shud look
FB: Mark Nicoski Darren Glass Graham Johncock
CHB: Luke Hodge Ben Rutten James Clement
C: Jude Bolton Chris Judd Ben Cousins
CHF: Cameron Bruce Jonathon Brown Brad Johnson
FF: Brendan Fevola Barry Hall Mark Ricciuto
C: Brendan Lade Simon Goodwin Scott West
I/C Daniel Kerr Adam Goodes Chad Cornes Dean Cox
FB: Mark Nicoski Darren Glass Graham Johncock
CHB: Luke Hodge Ben Rutten James Clement
C: Jude Bolton Chris Judd Ben Cousins
CHF: Cameron Bruce Jonathon Brown Brad Johnson
FF: Brendan Fevola Barry Hall Mark Ricciuto
C: Brendan Lade Simon Goodwin Scott West
I/C Daniel Kerr Adam Goodes Chad Cornes Dean Cox
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No mention of Brian Harris? If you forget about the St. Kilda and Sydney game, he has been an absolute gem at Full Back. He wasn't even that bad against Hall as well.
Paul Chapman definitely deserves to be in the FP.
Paul Chapman definitely deserves to be in the FP.
F-U said:
6 Eagles. No Pavlich. If that happens, i'll eat my own hand. Typical non-biased view. Nicoski is good, but definately not AA material. Similarly Daniel Kerr. Glass is equal with a few others. Cousins and Judd are deserving though both have missed games this year. Cox on the bench is somewhat realistic. Will probably claim the mantle in the second half of the year.
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Port have got 4 representatives
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Benno From Berwick said:
Actually he's well and truly in AA form, much more so than Bruce or Johnstone. Perhaps you're uneducated on the matter and just assume because of his age he should miss out?
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No bias there!!
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