All Australian thread 2015

[Sweet Jesus]

This is my crack

I'm flattered and maybe even a little curious but I'm afraid I don't go in for those backdoor shenanigans.

 

[AG]

Wood Hurley Shaw
McVeigh Rance Boyd
Gaff Fyfe Hannebery
Wingard Kennedy Gray
Betts Cameron Stringer

Goldstein Priddis Dangerfield

Pendlebury Mitchell JP Kennedy Mundy

McVeigh hasn't had an AA standard year imo. Only Swans with a chance at the 22 are Kennedy and Hannebery.

 

[MaxHunt]

This thread really shows the quality of and how even the back line of the Hawks is.

Lowest for points against for the season and there could be a case for none making the AA team or for any of 4 to be included.

Mitchell
Hodge
Gibson
Burgoyne

 

[pacman]

FB: Shaw, Rance, Wood

HB: Murphy, Hurley, Burgoyne

C: Pendlebury, Priddis, Hannebery

HF: Wingard, Walker, Rioli

FF: Stringer, Kennedy, Betts

R: Goldstein, Fyfe, Dangerfield

Bench: Bontempelli, Kennedy, Gray, Deledio

Quick write up.

Few toss of the coin decisions in there but that'll do for now. Could easily swap Selwood or Mitchell in for others mids. Rioli HF and Deledio bench because Rioli playerd more games.

Mitchell & Hodge are a mile in front of Burgoyne - Burgoynes season starts this weekend.

 

[pacman]

This thread really shows the quality of and how even the back line of the Hawks is.

Lowest for points against for the season and there could be a case for none making the AA team or for any of 4 to be included.

Mitchell
Hodge
Gibson
Burgoyne

We also have the best attack but may not have a player there either, even though Gunston Rioli & Breust have been brilliant.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Here we go again with the champion data rankings, nobody goes to those stats as much as Eagles fans!!!

"He absolutely smashed Jacobs at subi earlier in the season". Yes he did, in round 15, which clearly is the second half of the season.

Last week Jacobs smashed him, im not sure why you guys are taking it so personal...

"Due to his slowish start in the first couple of weeks". This is my point about him being behind so many at the halfway point, your words not mine.



Exact same games you have seen champ, some live.

People were talking about Mumford being the dominant ruck of the comp and No1 for AA against Sandilands and Goldstien before his injury, Nik was clearly behind.



Well you sure have proven me wrong.

Jacobs dominated hitouts vs Geelong too but Geelong dominated clearances. Fact is Jacobs ruckwork is no where near influential enough as his stats say. He is crap around the ground too. So overrated.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I reckon Gaff will end up finishing runner-up in this years Brownlow medal.

Is Hannerberry winning it? He will finish ahead, add Priddis, JPK (will storm home, won't win though)

Gaff will come top 8 though great season

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Yup I'll definitely make some touch ups.

His slow start to the season was actually very good. The only match where he was disappointing was in his return match from injury vs. North Melbourne, was unfit and North didn't have to tag him too heavily to reduce his impact.

Deledio is a player that has to be watched. Matthew Lloyd and Richo stress it a lot, he's Richmond's most important player. Can play any position and might not get huge disposal numbers, but week in week he'll string out 4 quarter efforts and is more damaging than any other player we have. Absolutely smashes the score involvements at Richmond. Edit: Checked the stat. Leading score involvements per game for Richmond. Leading in the competition total in the last 10 rounds.

I can't think of any other player I can compare him to. He's not like Rioli as a player, but it's the same in the sense that people will read stats and constantly question him rather than paying close attention to the damage he does, while making it look subtle.

I agree - very damaging player and Richmond's most valuable IMO. Very interesting about score involvements - where can I access those stats?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I agree - very damaging player and Richmond's most valuable IMO. Very interesting about score involvements - where can I access those stats?

He is borderline, really depends whether they feel 20 odd great games is better than a whole season. I have no issue with him making it. Hurley will make it missing 3 games in a bottom 4 side.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Gaff has to be in the 18, seriously I am biased but the best pure wingman in the comp for the year has to be a lock and this year it's him by a distance.

No bias there - Gaff (with Goldstein and JJK) should be the easiest player to pick in the whole team. Easily top 10 player this year and plays a specialist position that no one else in contention does.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

No bias there - Gaff (with Goldstein and JJK) should be the easiest player to pick in the whole team. Easily top 10 player this year and plays a specialist position that no one else in contention does.

Almost would like to have 2 wingmen in the side. Gaff is obvious. I would like to have either Stephen Hill or Issac Smith in the side on the other wing.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

He is borderline, really depends whether they feel 20 odd great games is better than a whole season. I have no issue with him making it. Hurley will make it missing 3 games in a bottom 4 side.

Yep, as I said originally, is touch and go. He IS very damaging and Richmond's most valuable but that doesn't guarantee him a place. Hotly contested position, missed 5 games and a couple of quieter ones at the start. Borderline is exactly where he is at (and on the bench there is no requisite to pick a HF over a pure mid or any other position)

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yep, as I said originally, is touch and go. He IS very damaging and Richmond's most valuable but that doesn't guarantee him a place. Hotly contested position, missed 5 games and a couple of quieter ones at the start. Borderline is exactly where he is at (and on the bench there is no requisite to pick a HF over a pure mid or any other position)

Think that is the way they may go. Might be a bench option where you can get away with picking someone missing 5 games. No issue there. In fact I'd rather pick Deledio than pick Priddis/some other inside mid.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Almost would like to have 2 wingmen in the side. Gaff is obvious. I would like to have either Stephen Hill or Issac Smith in the side on the other wing.

One of those catch 22's isn't it. Whilst both have been good (and great at times), neither Smith nor Hill were top 30-40 playes in 2015, with many other mids ahead of them. However, they are the best candidates for players that are actual wingman. The old quality vs positional accuracy argument.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

One of those catch 22's isn't it. Whilst both have been good (and great at times), neither Smith nor Hill were top 30-40 playes in 2015, with many other mids ahead of them. However, they are the best candidates for players that are actual wingman. The old quality vs positional accuracy argument.

I respectfully disagree, especially Smith. He would be in the top 15 players, one of the most influencial players in a strong Hawks side. Firmly believe the 2 wingers should be 'wingmen'. If you can't make it as a mid, you shouldn't get a spot on the wing. Reward these players who play on the wing.

 

[Agent93]

So I'm guessing the point of this exercise is to pretend you are being a neutral selector but crowbar a few undeserving players from own team in and then defend your idiotic selections to the death?

Pretty sure that's what happens at the actual selection meeting. Still annoyed at the Mark LeCras snub of '09.

 

[Jazny]

Kade Kolodjashnij for All Australian!! #KK4AA

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Pretty sure that's what happens at the actual selection meeting. Still annoyed at the Mark LeCras snub of '09.

As bad as Parker last year. The selectors have got better, but jeez they have made some blunders.

 

[The Joker]

Jacobs dominated hitouts vs Geelong too but Geelong dominated clearances. Fact is Jacobs ruckwork is no where near influential enough as his stats say. He is crap around the ground too. So overrated.

Why dont we all just pick a game that has no relevance

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Kade Kolodjashnij for All Australian!! #KK4AA

I'll give you 100-1...and that is generous. Zero chance, none, nada this season. Has improved, but a mile off making this team. Been a strong year for defenders. As it is a Talia type will miss.

 

[Jazny]

I'll give you 100-1...and that is generous. Zero chance, none, nada this season. Has improved, but a mile off making this team. Been a strong year for defenders. As it is a Talia type will miss.

It is a cool hashtag though He is not far off! Amazing year. 22 disposals a game, lots of intercept marks, will be close to winning Suns best and fairest.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It is a cool hashtag though He is not far off! Amazing year. 22 disposals a game, lots of intercept marks, will be close to winning Suns best and fairest.

Hardly amazing. Look at who he is competing with. Look at Heath Shaw's stats for one. As I said he is competing in a position where there are a lot of KPD's and then you have a few HBF's who have had elite season. Kade has had a good year, but he is 12-24 months off. Winning GC's Best and Fairest...well someone has to. He is probably one of the few that has played the whole season.

 

[Bender571]

I think bigfooty tends not to rate players from struggling sides, so it wouldn't surprise me if they were underrated. They're also not household names either.

That doesn't apply to the Naitanui example.

I think bigfooty tends not to rate players from struggling sides, so it wouldn't surprise me if they were underrated. They're also not household names either.

As for Gaff, the reason why he's not in the AFL rankings team is because, unlike bigfooty, the AFL rankings treats the wings as just part of the midfield, so they just put the best ranked midfielder that they haven't put in the rover positions there. They had Priddis on the wing last round in their second team. Maybe their teams should stick to positions a bit more, but their rankings system seems fairly legitimate.

Even if you group him with all midfielders he still deserves to be there. It's not just Gaff, Sam Mitchell and Hannebery aren't in their first or second team.

 

[Tippaz]

my 40 man squad
ade - laird, betts, walker, dangerfield
brl - martin
car
col - swan, pendlebury
ess - hurley
fre - mundy, fyfe
gcs
gee - enright
gws - shaw, cameron
haw - gibson, mitchell, gunston, breust, hodge, lewis
mel - mcdonald
nth - goldstein
pta - wingard, gray
ric - rance, deledio, martin, riewoldt
stk - armitage, steven
syd - kennedy, hannebery
wbd - wood, boyd, murphy, dahlhaus, stringer
wce - priddis, kennedy, naitanui, gaff

my final 22
fb - wood, rance, gibson
hb - shaw, hurley, hodge(c)
c - pendlebury(vc), priddis, hannebery
hf - martin, gunston, wingard
ff - betts, kennedy, stringer
r - goldstein, fyfe, dangerfield
i/c - naitanui, gaff, boyd, deledio

 

[jakethebear]

Official AA 40 man squad: E Betts, P Dangerfield, R Laird, T Walker; S Pendlebury, D Swan; M Hurley;N Fyfe, S Hill, G Ibbotson, D Mundy, L Neale; J Cameron, H Shaw; S Burgoyne; J Gibson, J Gunston, J Lewis, S Mitchell, C Rioli;T Goldstein, S Higgins; R Gray, C Wingard; B Deledio, D Martin, A Rance, J Riewoldt; D Hannebery, J Kennedy (Swans);A Gaff, J Kennedy (Eagles), J McGovern, N Naitanui, M Priddis; M Boyd, L Dahlhaus, R Murphy, J Stringer, E Wood.