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[the distributer]

B: Brett Deledio (Rich) - Michael Jamison (Carl) - Luke McPharlin (Frem)
HB: Heath Shaw (Coll) - Sam Fisher (StK) - Corey Enright (Geel)
C: Marc Murphy (Carl) - Jobe Watson (Ess) - Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
HF: Andrew Embley (WC) - Lance Franklin (Haw) - Nat Fyfe (Frem)
F: Jeff Garlett (Carl) - Jack Riewoldt (Rich) - Josh Kennedy (WC)
Foll: Dean Cox (WC) - Joel Selwood (Geel) - Dale Thomas (Coll)
I/C: Aaron Sandilands (Frem), Jude Bolton (Syd), Chris Judd (Carl), David Mundy (Frem).

Stiff: Brent Moloney (Melb), James Kelly (Geel), Todd Goldstein (NM), Dane Swan (Coll), Scott Thompson (Adel), Adam Goodes (Syd), Heath Scotland (Carl), Sam Mitchell (Haw), Shane Mumford (Syd), Trent Cotchin (Rich).

Cloke easilly above Kennedy, Kennedys goal average was greatly enhanced by his 10 in a 120 point massacre and he's already played the GC, as it sits he averages 1 goal per game more, trav has him covered everywhere else.

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web...6&year1=2011&tid2=104&pid2=2005031&year2=2011

 

[SouthSwans]

Re: All Australian Watch: 2011

The pill ends up in Cloke's hands a lot easier than it does for Kennedy, who has to work for his own ball a lot more.
Kennedy is also a lot more influential to West Coast's results than Cloke is to Collingwood's.

Kennedy's output is also more consistent than Cloke's;
JK averages a steady 90 in SC while Cloke goes from 45 one week to 120 the next then back to 45.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Re: All Australian Watch: 2011

Are people seriously putting Swallow into the All Australian teams?

If you could get your head out of your lap for a sec you might just notice that his numbers stack up favourably when compared with Judd. Statistically up there with the best inside mids this year.

 

[the distributer]

Re: All Australian Watch: 2011

The pill ends up in Cloke's hands a lot easier than it does for Kennedy, who has to work for his own ball a lot more.
Kennedy is also a lot more influential to West Coast's results than Cloke is to Collingwood's.

Kennedy's output is also more consistent than Cloke's;
JK averages a steady 90 in SC while Cloke goes from 45 one week to 120 the next then back to 45.

Kennedy's an inside fwd 50 target more often that cloke.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Re: All Australian Watch: 2011

Kennedy's an inside fwd 50 target more often that cloke.

Kennedy averages more marks, marks inside 50, goal assists, scoring assists, tackles and tackles inside 50.
Far more important stats for a key forward when you also take into account goals.

But yeah, Cloke averages more rebound 50's and hitouts......

 

[Thommo 42]

Re: All Australian Watch: 2011

If Cloke doesn't have to work for his own ball, why has he taken 42 contested marks - a massive 16 more than anyone else in the competition?

Isn't a contested grab, by its very definition - working for your own ball?

 

[Thommo 42]

Re: All Australian Watch: 2011

Really???
Take away your "I hate all things Carlton" glasses for a second...

Who out of:

Judd
Murphy
Jamison
Garlett
Scotland

are not on track for AA selection after 11 rounds of the season?

They're all in contention, but only Juddy and Murph would be certainties at this point. FWIW, I have Garlett and Scotland in mine, but everyone is different.

In the past the selectors have suggested they place greater weight on performances in big games, all of those blokes except Garlett went missing against Collingwood.

 

[mdc]

Re: All Australian Watch: 2011

Kennedy averages more marks inside 50, scoring assists, tackles, more marks and more tackles inside 50.

Far more important stats for a key forward when you also take into account goals.

But yeah, Cloke averages more rebound 50's and hitouts......

Way to ninja edit out contested marks when you realised it obliterated your case.

WC trolls aside, they're different players and there's not much between them this year.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Re: All Australian Watch: 2011

If Cloke doesn't have to work for his own ball, why has he taken 42 contested marks - a massive 16 more than anyone else in the competition?

Isn't a contested grab, by its very definition - working for your own ball?

When it comes down to it, a forward is mainly in for his ability to impact and help other players impact on the scoreboard.

Kennedy averages 4.2 goals contributed to Clokes 2.9, so smashes him in this regard.

He also applies better defensive pressure in the forward line, takes more marks in the forwardline and marks overall.

I rate his impact as being higher than Clokes this year.

I know Collingwood supporters feel compelled to nominate just about every player on their list they can think of but please try to be objective.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Re: All Australian Watch: 2011

Way to ninja edit out contested marks when you realised it obliterated your case.

WC trolls aside, they're different players and there's not much between them this year.

I accidentally added contested marks instead of marks inside 50.

Fixed as soon as I realised , so no issue (could have just denied it).

BTW it does not obliterate my case.

One reason why Cloke is forced to take so many contested marks is because he struggles to get separation from his opposition.

 

[PooMonkey]

Re: All Australian Watch: 2011

They're all in contention, but only Juddy and Murph would be certainties at this point. FWIW, I have Garlett and Scotland in mine, but everyone is different.

In the past the selectors have suggested they place greater weight on performances in big games, all of those blokes except Garlett went missing against Collingwood.

I basically agree with you there.
As said, based on 11 rounds...not 24.
There is a long way to go and maybe all will miss...

But yes Judd and Murphy at this stage are locks...Jamison and Garlett are very close to being locks...Scotland is subjective, but his run and drive, have been significant this season...not to mention his efficiency.

I had him take the 4th Bench spot...

 

[the distributer]

Re: All Australian Watch: 2011

Kennedy averages more marks, marks inside 50, goal assists, scoring assists, tackles and tackles inside 50.
Far more important stats for a key forward when you also take into account goals.

But yeah, Cloke averages more rebound 50's and hitouts......

Both average 0.8 goal assists per game, cloke takes double the amount of contested marks (pretty important stat that BTW), more inside 50s, rebound 50s (shows his workrate), as i said earlier, if kennendy didn't kick 10 in a 120 point massacre would we even be debating this? also, we havnt had the privlige of playing the GC yet.

 

[mdc]

Re: All Australian Watch: 2011

One reason why Cloke is forced to take so many contested marks is because he struggles to get separation from his opposition.

This is partially true, but as long as Cloke keeps sticking the contested marks it's irrelevant.

Likewise, Kennedy's forced to get separation from his opposition because he struggles to take contested marks, but as long as he keeps getting 12 touches and 3 goals, it's irrelevant.

 

[Scotland]

Re: All Australian Watch: 2011

I'll have a quick go...

B: Scotland Jamison H Shaw
HB: Deledio McPharlin Fisher
C: Thomas Murphy Pendlebury
HF: Fyfe Franklin Johnson
F: J Bolton Riewoldt Garlett
Foll: Cox, Judd, Watson

IC: Mundy, J Selwood, Swan, Sandilands

Would be highly surprised to see any of the guys bolded not in the 22 at the end of the year.

Guys like Jamison, Scotland, Garlett, Watson, Mundy, Fyfe etc. have been fantastic but could easily (deserved or otherwise) be left out in favour of Enright, Taylor, Thompson, Swallow etc. but I can't see Dane Swan being left out off the back of only racking up 750 touches instead of 800, or Judd missing out because... well he's Judd, he'll just bet there. I reckon it could be a midfield-heavy side with no real standout stay at home small forwards apart from Garlett.

 

[Scotland]

Re: All Australian Watch: 2011

Both average 0.8 goal assists per game, cloke takes double the amount of contested marks (pretty important stat that BTW), more inside 50s, rebound 50s (shows his workrate), as i said earlier, if kennendy didn't kick 10 in a 120 point massacre would we even be debating this? also, we havnt had the privlige of playing the GC yet.

If you take away Kennedy's best game he is averaging 2.3 goals a game, same as Cloke. I don't really see the relevance in that though, unless we discount the 5 Cloke kicked against the Roos - his best game... Kennedy had 7.3 out of our 10.13 and kicked his 7th to give us a 28 point lead which started the run in the 3rd quarter that won us the game. He coasted through the ensuing junk time and booted only 3 during the time we piled on 16...

This is partially true, but as long as Cloke keeps sticking the contested marks it's irrelevant.

Likewise, Kennedy's forced to get separation from his opposition because he struggles to take contested marks, but as long as he keeps getting 12 touches and 3 goals, it's irrelevant.

Kennedy struggles to take contested marks? Righto.

 

[SwanBet]

Re: All Australian Watch: 2011

B: Heath Shaw-----Luke McPharlin-----Heath Scotland
HB: Brett Deledio--Michael Jamison-----James Kelly
C: Dale Thomas---Scott Pendlebury----Marc Murphy
HF: Nat Fyfe-------Lance Franklin------Andrew Embley
F: Jeff Garlett------Jack Reiwoldt-------Travis Cloke
R: Dean Cox-------Chriss Judd(C)----------Jobe Watson

I: Aaron Sandilands--David Mundy--Matthew Boyd--Sam Fisher

E: Josh Kennedy, Dane Swan, Joel Selwood

stiff(5): Jude Bolton, Scott Thompson, Sam Mitchell, Adam Goodes, Matthew Scarlett

 

[Chism]

Continuation thread from this one which has exceeded the 1,000 post quota.

 

[I Blue Myself]

Re: All Australian Watch: 2011

B: Heath Shaw-----Luke McPharlin-----Heath Scotland
HB: Brett Deledio--Michael Jamison-----James Kelly
C: Dale Thomas---Scott Pendlebury----Marc Murphy
HF: Nat Fyfe-------Lance Franklin------Andrew Embley
F: Jeff Garlett------Jack Reiwoldt-------Travis Cloke
R: Dean Cox-------Chriss Judd(C)----------Jobe Watson

I: Aaron Sandilands--David Mundy--Matthew Boyd--Sam Fisher

E: Josh Kennedy, Dane Swan, Joel Selwood

stiff(5): Jude Bolton, Scott Thompson, Sam Mitchell, Adam Goodes, Matthew Scarlett

Andrew Embley in over Joel Selwood?

 

[AG]

Re: All Australian Watch: 2011

Boyd the only question mark I'd have for that team. I'd have about 20 mids in front of him this year.

Embley has slowed up but looks fine on a flank.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Bartel?

 

[gO_bOmBeRz]

Has Deledio been that good ?

 

[I Blue Myself]

I'd have Sam Fisher over Deledio in that position

 

[jonoman89]

Has Deledio been that good ?

It's been slim pickings for medium sized defenders this year. Shaw has been the stand out, after that you have Deledio, Adcock, Scotland, Enright etc....none of whom who have shown Shaw's level of form.

 

[the distributer]

It's been slim pickings for medium sized defenders this year. Shaw has been the stand out, after that you have Deledio, Adcock, Scotland, Enright etc....none of whom who have shown Shaw's level of form.

Goddard isn't in 2010 form but he's still a bloody good HB.

 

[kreuze control]

COACH'S VOTES AFTER RD 11
50 Marc Murphy (Carl)
46 Chris Judd (Carl)
44 Dean Cox (WC)
43 Jobe Watson (Ess)
41 Joel Selwood (Geel)
38 Dale Thomas (Coll)
37 Lance Franklin (Haw)
36 Ryan O’Keefe (Syd)
36 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
36 Andrew Swallow (NM)

o'keefe a smokey for hff?