Rumour All GWS Rumour And Speculation Thread - Vol 2

[daics_35]

Where'd you hear this from?

Edit. Don't worry I researched and found out myself. Same agent also has a few other players, most notables are Daniel Jackson and Luke McGuane, wonder if that means they're going to GWS too?

They probs would have if they were any good. I am not saying that is a big factor in him leaving but he most likely will because he will be offered a lot more money. If he goes then so does our chance to win the 2013 flag but at the moment he is still at Collingwood and we have a whole season to worry about.

 

[PieNSauce]

GWS speculation and injuries good for Pies

I just wanted to put a slightly different spin on all of the GWS speculation and the negativity being spruiked in the media about Collingwood's prospects for this year.

I, like most supporters personally hate all the speculation around our top players and the fact that they have not signed but it's not that hard if you look past it to see the positives. The fact that these players are holding off on negotiations says one thing... they are all looking to use this speculation to drive up their contracts... as they should. The simple fact of this is that for that to work in their favour they will have to perform consistently this season. GWS will not be interested in players who do not do that and this bodes well for the season at hand.

Yes it's possible that we will lose a player but given that this scenario may mean that we have another premiership by the time we do I think it's not a terrible trade-off.

The gloom and doom around our injury list is IMO way off the mark. Many of the players likely to miss early games have either been missing or not at their best for some time now and their absence has not really hurt us. Why all of a sudden does this spell trouble for our season? Most of our injury list will return within the next few weeks anyway leaving us with greater depth than we had in 2011 and in the meanwhile we will blood some new talent. I have a good feeling about some of these kids and especially guys like Paine, yagmor, Rounds, Ceglar, Witts and Seedsman. I smell a familiar ring to our season and it smells like 2010 where we were forced to include guys like Blair, Maccaffer, Sidebottom etc. Most of the kids from that year have become good players and worthy of their spots. This year they will be even more experienced.

The reality is that every year there are positives and negatives. We may well lose some games early if we can't get the right balance on the park but for the big picture, IMO the so called negatives being spruiked could just as easily be seen as massive positives for our season ahead. Anyone who doesn't see the similarities with 2010 is just allowing the negative press, who love to get into Collingwood at every opportunity get inside their head.

I smell a big tilt at the premiership in 2012. What happens beyond that is anyone's guess but for now I reckon our season looks pretty damned good!

Floreat Pica!

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Re: GWS speculation and injuries good for Pies

Hope you're right, but I find it funny that I mentioned a while back on BigFooty that there was most likely an unspoken agreement between Eddie and Gubby Allen that if they leave our players alone, we'll leave theirs alone, and now Caro and Sheahan hint at the exact same thing.

Coincidence?

I'm pretty sure that agreement is in place. Add in Cloke getting an 'off field' manager to try and get him the dollars off field that Collingwood can't physically provide on-field, and it looks like we may not lose one of our big names after all.

To throw the dogs off the scent, they'll probably organise for 'bad boy' Wellingham to be the one to go to GWS, and then cry 'foul' in the media "See?! They took one of our gun premiership midfielders!!!! waaaahhhhhh". Smokescreen.

 

[Jelly Bean]

Re: GWS speculation and injuries good for Pies

Hope you're right, but I find it funny that I mentioned a while back on BigFooty that there was most likely an unspoken agreement between Eddie and Gubby Allen that if they leave our players alone, we'll leave theirs alone, and now Caro and Sheahan hint at the exact same thing.

Coincidence?

I'm pretty sure that agreement is in place. Add in Cloke getting an 'off field' manager to try and get him the dollars off field that Collingwood can't physically provide on-field, and it looks like we may not lose one of our big names after all.

To throw the dogs off the scent, they'll probably organise for 'bad boy' Wellingham to be the one to go to GWS, and then cry 'foul' in the media "See?! They took one of our gun premiership midfielders!!!! waaaahhhhhh". Smokescreen.

I would be ASTOUNDED if that agreement was in place... It certainly wouldn't be in the best interest of our club. Where do caro and sheehan hint about this being in place?

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Sheehan also said that Travis Cloke wouldn't go to GWS. He seemed emphatic about it. As if he had inside information.

Me from another thread, commenting on a comment I made earlier in the year:

but I find it funny that I mentioned a while back on BigFooty that there was most likely an unspoken agreement between Eddie and Gubby Allen that if they leave our players alone, we'll leave theirs alone, and now Caro and Sheahan hint at the exact same thing.

Coincidence?

I'm pretty sure that agreement is in place. Add in Cloke getting an 'off field' manager to try and get him the dollars off field that Collingwood can't physically provide on-field, and it looks like we may not lose one of our big names after all.

To throw the dogs off the scent, they'll probably organise for 'bad boy' Wellingham to be the one to go to GWS, and then cry 'foul' in the media "See?! They took one of our gun premiership midfielders!!!! waaaahhhhhh". Smokescreen.

Conspiracy theory or not, I made this call a while back (not the above quoted, that was today). There is definitely an 'unofficial' official agreement between Gubby and Eddie that they don't touch ours and we don't touch theirs during their window.

Sheedy has then been smokescreening with his usual media rile up, and we'll hand Wellingham over to throw them off track.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Re: GWS speculation and injuries good for Pies

I would be ASTOUNDED if that agreement was in place... It certainly wouldn't be in the best interest of our club. Where do caro and sheehan hint about this being in place?

Caro did last night on Footy Classified, and on Triple M this morning they said that apparently Sheahan did On The Couch, but I didn't watch on the couch.

Also, it WOULD be in the best interests of the club because it means we don't lose anyone when it matters.

 

[jimmy35]

I'd be amazed if there were such an agreement.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I'd be amazed if there were such an agreement.

I'm amazed so many of you are amazed this would be going on.

If clubs are doing dodgy activities that CAN be tracked legally (salary cap rorting etc.) then how is it hard to believe agreements that CAN'T be tracked (outside of one person ratting out the other) are happeneing behind the scenes?

Gubby Allen is a long time Collingwood person and still has many friends and ties to Collingwood to this day. This is a completely believable situation, and if both Cloke and Pendlebury end up staying, this 'rumour' will only gather more steam as the evidence mounts.

Hence why I think Wellingham will be thrown to the wolves to get them off the scent.

 

[cobbly]

Re: GWS speculation and injuries good for Pies

Mike didn't say there was an agreement exactly, he basically just said that gws wouldn't go after trav because they didn't want to start a war with eddie (i love eddie )

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Re: GWS speculation and injuries good for Pies

Mike didn't say there was an agreement exactly, he basically just said that gws wouldn't go after trav because they didn't want to start a war with eddie (i love eddie )

Well there's some truth in it.

I posted a while back mentioning that people aren't looking deep enough at the players being poached.

Look at the clubs players are leaving from. Outside the exception to my rule, Gary Ablett, all the players being poached are from clubs that wouldn't be great at luring players back later once the GC and GWS players are up for grabs.

Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon, Richmond, Hawthorn. No one of note has left these clubs. Why? They've had uncontracted big names, why haven't they been officially targeted? Dane Swan and Dale Thomas both said no formal offer was made.

I think it's because GWS and GC don't want to piss these clubs off because they'll get them harder on the back end later.

It's going to be FAR easier for Collingwood to poach a Victorian superstar from GWS later with less money than GWS have to throw at Cloke now to get him from Collingwood and STILL potentially lose Cloke later when he gets homesick depending on the length of his deal. Remember, GWS and GC have salary caps too, and eventually these superstar kids will want more money.

So they can't pay Cloke 1.5 a year for 5 years because in 3-4 years time, Bugg, Coniglio, Prestia, Scully, O'Meara and all these yougn guns will be commanding more money also, which I think is something that gets lost in all the hysteria.

So it makes sense from a GWS point of view to leave Cloke alone, which means Collingwood more than likely won't go after Tomas Bugg in 3 years time (coached by Buckley as a junior no less) when they have tonnes of cap space after supposedly losing all their superstars and need to stock up on new ones.

 

[daics cousin]

Re: GWS speculation and injuries good for Pies

After having a banter on GWS's site about the Cloke situation they said that they can go after Cloke as an restricted player and the they may try to get Reid as an uncontracted player.

So they think that they can pinch 2 of our top line players.

Best of luck cos they won't get either and none of our top liners.

Guess what if they did pinch one of our untouchable players,Eddie will make sure its payback time when we take one or two of their guns in a year or two,and Eddie will mark my words.

Actually that is if he doesn't take over,Demitriou 's job as CEO of the AFL when Demitriou retires.

 

[Rowdy Brown]

I'm amazed so many of you are amazed this would be going on.

If clubs are doing dodgy activities that CAN be tracked legally (salary cap rorting etc.) then how is it hard to believe agreements that CAN'T be tracked (outside of one person ratting out the other) are happeneing behind the scenes?

Gubby Allen is a long time Collingwood person and still has many friends and ties to Collingwood to this day. This is a completely believable situation, and if both Cloke and Pendlebury end up staying, this 'rumour' will only gather more steam as the evidence mounts.

Hence why I think Wellingham will be thrown to the wolves to get them off the scent.

I agree on Wellingham.
I remember reading an artical where Chocco was being interviewed, in the paper ( Herald sun last year i think) and one of the last questons was "who is the most unerrated player in the comp".
Chocc's answer: Sharrod Wellingham.
Since then i have had this feeling that Shazz will be the chosen one to go.

 

[daics cousin]

Re: GWS speculation and injuries good for Pies

Well there's some truth in it.

I posted a while back mentioning that people aren't looking deep enough at the players being poached.

Look at the clubs players are leaving from. Outside the excpetion to my rule, Gary Ablett, all the players being pached are form clubs that wouldn't be great at luring players back later once the GC and GWS players are up for grabs.

Calrotn, Collingwood, Essendon, Richmond, Hawthorn. No one of note has left these clubs. Why? They've had uncontracted big names, why haven't they been officially targeted? Dane Swan and Dale Thomas both said no formal offer was made.

I think it's because GWS and GC don't want to piss these clubs off because they'll get them harder on the back end later.

It's going to be FAR easier for Collingwood to poach a Victorian superstar from GWS later with less money than GWS have to throw at Cloke now to get him from Collingwood and STILL potentially lose Cloke later when he gets homesick depending on the length of his deal. Remember, GWS and GC have salary caps too, and eventually these superstar kids will want more money.

So they can't pay Cloke 1.5 a year for 5 years because in 3-4 years time, Bugg, Coniglio, Prestia, Scully, O'Meara and all these yougn guns will be commanding more money also, which I think is something that gets lost in all the hysteria.

So it makes sense from a GWS point of view to leave Cloke alone, which means Collingwood more than likely won't go after Tomas Bugg in 3 years time (coached by Buckley as a junior no less) when they have tonnes of cap space after supposedly losing all their superstars and need to stock up on new ones.

Yes Ed your right except O'Meara is now a Gold Coast Sun not a GWS player,GWS got pick 4 for trading O'meara to the Gold Coast.

The jaggermeister will be a serious gun player,one that i would love to have at the Pies.In fact he'll become the next Chris Judd.

 

[Scodog10]

I'd be amazed if there were such an agreement.

I don't know if that's the exact agreement, but it wouldnt surprise me if something along those lines has happened.

The last thing GWS want is to poach Cloke and then 5-6 years down the track we go and poach Patton back off them when our cap isn't so tight and there's is. It'd be the same thing if they signed Pendles we'd just go hell for leather at Shiel 5 years from now.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Re: GWS speculation and injuries good for Pies

Yes Ed your right except O'Meara is now a Gold Coast Sun not a GWS player,GWS got pick 4 for trading O'meara to the Gold Coast.

The jaggermeister will be a serious gun player,one that i would love to have at the Pies.In fact he'll become the next Chris Judd.

Prestia is a Sun also.

I was just listing gun kids from both clubs. Sorry I wasn't clearer.

 

[daics cousin]

They probs would have if they were any good. I am not saying that is a big factor in him leaving but he most likely will because he will be offered a lot more money. If he goes then so does our chance to win the 2013 flag but at the moment he is still at Collingwood and we have a whole season to worry about.

Correct Daics 35.But fear not cos Cloke's new mangement company is not Sydney based.His promotional needs will be managed by Ralph Carr Entertainment in Richmond Melb.

Ralph carr by the way whoever doesn't know of him was Tina Arena's ex manager-ex husband.He is an entertainment agent.
So Clokey is sureing up his life after footy when the pies line up media jobs for him after he finishes being a triple premiership one club player at Collingwood.

Father David looks after his footy contracts which is a bit of a worry,Clokey will stay a Magpie just watch and see.
You heard it first here on Big footy!

 

[Nicco_jj]

Re: Scott Pendlebury bats away contract talk as Greater Western Sydney circles

can someone answer me this:

If GWS take Cloke, we can use the money to take Patton or Cameron from GWS when they can't afford to pay them.

If they take Pendlebury, we can use the money to get Coniglio, Shiel, Kennedy.....?

 

[bradrowe#32]

I think we'll keep both Cloke and Pendles, but be forced to pay a little more then we wanted too and therefore lose a player of middling range.

Pack ya bags Sharrod.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Pack ya bags Sharrod.

My hunch is that Wellingham will be a necessary sacrifice, so the timing of his indiscretion from that perspective couldn't be better.

It's a win win for the club. Either Wellingham continues to plateau and we dish him off leaving cap space, or he blitzes it and we reap the rewards on the field.

My issue is, there are other out of contract players I'd be happy to lose in order to keep Reid, Pendles and Cloke, but I don't see us letting Harry go.

 

[Rustin Cohle]

I'd be devastated if Pendles left. I think he has the potential to be as good as Buckley.

Hopefully we don't lose a key player. I know it's going to sound strange and I'll probably be shot down in flames, but I think we could cover for the loss of Cloke more than losing Reid.

 

[Old Spice]

Re: Scott Pendlebury bats away contract talk as Greater Western Sydney circles

Be shocking to lose Cloke now he has his kicking booties on.

If that were to happen you'd think Collingwood would be all over Sam Reid, Riewoldt or similar. Sydney though would want our Cloke compo for Reid.

 

[TradeDraft]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/on-...ollingwood-stars/story-fn5k2y08-1226311118066

Going by that Article someone has to leave

 

[danielnajdek]

Re: Scott Pendlebury bats away contract talk as Greater Western Sydney circles

Well.... technically you lost Josh Frasier, but that was a win/win for all... and no one really minded....

Like I was saying we didn't lose anyone last year as that was the year before

 

[4#Didak#4]

Re: Scott Pendlebury bats away contract talk as Greater Western Sydney circles

can someone answer me this:

If GWS take Cloke, we can use the money to take Patton or Cameron from GWS when they can't afford to pay them.

If they take Pendlebury, we can use the money to get Coniglio, Shiel, Kennedy.....?

Unfortunately I think they are all signed up for 2 years so we would have to trade for them and we would get royally screwed.

 

[Thommo 42]

bugger that, I prefer they get nobody. Wellingham can stay thanks