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frizzle said:
I find it fascinating that only after watching the debate do people here think Biden isn't capable of standing as President.
Nobody is asking who in fact is making the decisions now & has been for a long time. Joe hasn't been capable of running the country for years. Everybody that looked openly & honestly knew it. So that begs the question. What unelected person or people are running the country in his stead then?

Vivek told us 7 months ago that this was going to happen. Some people are awake & some are snoring rather loudly.
Don't be the 2nd group.

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THe point regarding the debate isn't whether or not Biden can do the job. Debates have absolutely nothing to do with considered decision making. The point is that it seriously damages his likelihood of being elected.
 
sr36 said:
THe point regarding the debate isn't whether or not Biden can do the job. Debates have absolutely nothing to do with considered decision making. The point is that it seriously damages his likelihood of being elected.
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If you think that is the main point & most important point then there isn't much hope for you. You refuse to open your eyes & look for yourself.
There are decisions being made on Ukraine/Russia & Israel/Palestine as well as border security & important economical decisions being made by people who were not elected the so called leader of the free world. You obviously think this is fine & isn't as important as getting elected again. WOW.
 
frizzle said:
*** You refuse to open your eyes & look for yourself.
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That's a strong statement. What is it that gives you this conviction? What has opened your eyes in a way that ours haven't?

frizzle said:
There are decisions being made on Ukraine/Russia & Israel/Palestine as well as border security & important economical decisions being made by people who were not elected the so called leader of the free world. ***
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Can you please link to your sources?
 

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frizzle said:
If you think that is the main point & most important point then there isn't much hope for you. You refuse to open your eyes & look for yourself.
There are decisions being made on Ukraine/Russia & Israel/Palestine as well as border security & important economical decisions being made by people who were not elected the so called leader of the free world. You obviously think this is fine & isn't as important as getting elected again. WOW.
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Of course there are. Do you think that either candidate is an expert in these areas? As much as you may want to believe in the notion of the great figure who does it all, pollies set priorities and values and then select and approve from the strategies presented to them that are devised by non-elected experts.
 
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sr36 said:
Of course there are. Do you think that either candidate is an expert in these areas? As much as you may want to believe in the notion of the great figure who does it all, pollies set priorities and values and then select and approve from the strategies presented to them that are devised by experts.
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Keep quiet "sheeple person", we have an opportunity to learn here.
 
sr36 said:
www.bbc.com

Wikileaks asked to edit Afghan names from US files

Human rights groups urge Wikileaks to remove the names of Afghan civilians from leaked US military reports.
www.bbc.com

www.cbsnews.com

WikiLeaks Reportedly Outs 100s of Afghan Informants

The Times: Hundreds of Civilians Who Worked with U.S. Forces Named in Leaked Docs, Raising Fear of Reprisals
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

www.nbcnews.com

Report: Afghan leaks dangerously expose informants' identities

The leaking of U.S. intelligence documents have put hundreds of Afghans at risk because the files identify informants working with NATO forces, The Times of London reported.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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What is it that you don;t get? I have already explained how these articles are lies.
It was Cohen and other msm journalists who leaked a link to a website where Assange had stored original, unredacted cables containing the names of informants.
Once this was leaked, and the names of the informants made public (NOT by Assange, but by Cohen etc), then Wikileaks allowed the original documents to be made publicly available, because they already were.
All the articles you quote above claim that it was Wikileaks that led to the initial exposure, which is a lie.
Don;t you think the prosecution during Assange's protracted court case over the last 5 years would have brought this issue up if there were any legal merit to it? They were always grasping for non-existent straws throughout the case, so this would have been a boon to them, if in fact it were true.
 
IlovethePies said:
What is it that you don;t get? I have already explained how these articles are lies.
It was Cohen and other msm journalists who leaked a link to a website where Assange had stored original, unredacted cables containing the names of informants.
Once this was leaked, and the names of the informants made public (NOT by Assange, but by Cohen etc), then Wikileaks allowed the original documents to be made publicly available, because they already were.
All the articles you quote above claim that it was Wikileaks that led to the initial exposure, which is a lie.
Don;t you think the prosecution during Assange's protracted court case over the last 5 years would have brought this issue up if there were any legal merit to it? They were always grasping for non-existent straws throughout the case, so this would have been a boon to them, if in fact it were true.
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Yep, Amnesty International have long had a vendetta against Assange. That's why they peddled the lies:

www.amnesty.org

USA must drop charges against Julian Assange

uthorities in the USA must drop the espionage and all other charges against Julian Assange that relate to his publishing activities as part of his work with Wikileaks.
www.amnesty.org www.amnesty.org

It's not mentioned in the court cases as it has nothing to do with the court case. It only relates to how ethical a publisher he was.

And no wikileaks didn't put up the unredacted documents. They just did a really shit job of redacting them, because they didn't want to redact them in the first place, there were heaps of documents and they didn't want to spend the time to publish ethically. They actually threatened Amnesty with finding some dirt on them if they didn't do the redacting for them.

ANd no I'm not going to go on a lengthy rant about you being a liar, as I just think you're wrong and probably believe your shite.
 
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sr36 said:
Yep, Amnesty International have long had a vendetta against Assange. That's why they peddled the lies:

www.amnesty.org

USA must drop charges against Julian Assange

uthorities in the USA must drop the espionage and all other charges against Julian Assange that relate to his publishing activities as part of his work with Wikileaks.
www.amnesty.org www.amnesty.org

It's not mentioned in the court cases as it has nothing to do with the court case. It only relates to how ethical a publisher he was.

And no wikileaks didn't put up the unredacted documents. They just did a really shit job of redacting them, because they didn't want to redact them in the first place, there were heaps of documents and they didn't want to spend the time to publish ethically. They actually threatened Amnesty with finding some dirt on them if they didn't do the redacting for them.

ANd no I'm not going to go on a lengthy rant about you being a liar, as I just think you're wrong and probably believe your shite.
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OK, so according to you it is unethical to publish classified documents, even if they expose government war crimes. Never mind that the First Amendment of the US consitution specifically protects such actions in support of the right to freedom of speech.
By the way, here are the concluding words of the US judge (Ramona Sanglona) in Saipan after he had sentenced Assange to time served:
"There's another significant fact - the government has indicated there is no personal victim here. That tell me the dissemination of this information did not result in any known physical injury".
 
IlovethePies said:
OK, so according to you it is unethical to publish classified documents, even if they expose government war crimes. Never mind that the First Amendment of the US consitution specifically protects such actions in support of the right to freedom of speech.
By the way, here are the concluding words of the US judge (Ramona Sanglona) in Saipan after he had sentenced Assange to time served:
"There's another significant fact - the government has indicated there is no personal victim here. That tell me the dissemination of this information did not result in any known physical injury".
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Freedom of speech huh?

 
IlovethePies said:
OK, so according to you it is unethical to publish classified documents, even if they expose government war crimes. Never mind that the First Amendment of the US consitution specifically protects such actions in support of the right to freedom of speech.
By the way, here are the concluding words of the US judge (Ramona Sanglona) in Saipan after he had sentenced Assange to time served:
"There's another significant fact - the government has indicated there is no personal victim here. That tell me the dissemination of this information did not result in any known physical injury".
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No idea how you came to that conclusion.
 

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sr36 said:
It was a full moon in Adelaide a week ago. Where are you posting from?
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Did you watch them all? or is your mind so closed off that you can't?
 
sr36 said:
Yes and I think that every deal that Christopher Skase did was unethical - including when he was buying milk ...
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Think this reply is proof enough that you have lost track of whatever it was you are arguing.perhsps you need the same performance enhancing drugs as Biden does
 
frizzle said:
Did you watch them all? or is your mind so closed off that you can't?
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I readthe blurbs
I read this in the first one:
All the doctors said ... 'We've never seen a virus that attacks the kidneys.

And then this in one near the end:
Australia is taking in more than 10,000 immigrants every week.

The truth might be out there, but it's not in the stuff you're posting.
 
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IlovethePies said:
Think this reply is proof enough that you have lost track of whatever it was you are arguing.perhsps you need the same performance enhancing drugs as Biden does
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Warning: the following might cause you incredible confusion:


I like the song Billie Jean, but am not a big fan of paedophilia.

 
sr36 said:
I read this in the first one:
All the doctors said. You heard it again and again. 'We've never seen a virus that attacks the kidneys.

And then this in one near the end:
Australia is taking in more than 10,000 immigrants every week.

The truth might be out there, but it's not in the stuff you're posting.
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You don't believe we are taking in 10,000 immigrants per week in a housing shortage crisis?
You're a smart guy I can tell from your footy posting. There will come a day when you start to question things you have believed your whole life. It took me until I was 56 years old to question things even though I knew something wasn't quite right with the world. All the best to you.
 
frizzle said:
You don't believe we are taking in 10,000 immigrants per week in a housing shortage crisis?
You're a smart guy I can tell from your footy posting. There will come a day when you start to question things you have believed your whole life. It took me until I was 56 years old to question things even though I knew something wasn't quite right with the world. All the best to you.
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Net immigration was at that level in 2022/23 due to the borders having been closed for a couple of years.

It's half that level now, however, probably should be higher as the biggest issue around building enough houses and providing enough services for an aging population is skilled workers - who are currently 70% of that immigration intake that is supposedly a massive drain.
 
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