Mega Thread All things Tony Abbott

[CLUBMEDhurst]

He's not exactly been helpful to the Libs by saying "well if you get rid of me we're just returning to what the ALP was doing in the last two terms".

Unfortunately for the PM, the comparison's with Rudd's dumping don't really compare. Despite a drop in his approval rating when he was arseholed, Rudd did have an initial "honeymoon" period where he was a popular leader. Abbott has never been popular and was voted in as a response to the Rudd/Gillard shenanigans.

I don't see the axeing of Abbott playing out as badly for the LNP, as he's the most despised PM I can recall.

The LNP now have no choice but to cut him loose as well as steer a completely different policy course, otherwise they're rooted

 

[Jascave]

According to the Age, at least 35+ votes are needed to crank up a leadership vote in the Liberal Party room. Only 3 Liberals MPs have come out and said they no longer support Tony Abbott, but expect to see a lot more MPs reveal between now and next Tuesday/Wednesday if they support Abbott as PM, and if not, who'll they will be backing in the vote-Bishop, Turnbull, Morrison.


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[Maggie5]

If there were a change of leadership, how many of the cabinet would also change?
Who would definitely not be there? Hockey, Brandis, Dutton?

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Rudd had only been unpopular for a few months and his ditching was extremely sudden and happened in about 12 hours.

Abbott has been unpopular for 17 months, has never been popular as Prime Minister and there's been leadership talk for weeks/months i.e. not a shock to voters. There's no comparison.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Janet Albrechtsen having a bit each way:
"Despite Abbott’s fighting words at the National Press Club on Monday, it’s possible that if a leadership challenge looks likely, he may ignore the golden rule of politics that most leaders will slay dragons to stay in the top job.
Why? Because Abbott is not like most leaders. In the final act of loyalty, almost martyrdom, he may well hand over the leadership with no blood on the floor. Don’t count on it. But don’t count it out either."

It's as if she doesn't believe what she's typing but has a deadline to meet...

 

[Jascave]

When Robert Doyle challenged Denis Napthine for the Victorian Liberals leadership and won, interestingly Doyle included Napthine into his shadow cabinet. I would imagine that if Turnbull/Bishop/Morrison won the vote, would he/she include Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey in the cabinet. Remember, when Kevin Rudd defeated Julia Gillard in 2013, half of the Labor cabinet resigned/quit because they couldn't stand the thought of working with Rudd again. As it turned out, the ALP lost the 2013 election.


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[Bomberboyokay]

Dan26 you need to finish the story.

 

[Mofra]

When Robert Doyle challenged Denis Napthine for the Victorian Liberals leadership and won, interestingly Doyle included Napthine into his shadow cabinet. I would imagine that if Turnbull/Bishop/Morrison won the vote, would he/she include Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey in the cabinet. Remember, when Kevin Rudd defeated Julia Gillard in 2013, half of the Labor cabinet resigned/quit because they couldn't stand the thought of working with Rudd again. As it turned out, the ALP lost the 2013 election.

Might throw Hockey and bone and move him into Defence - it's historically a ministerial graveyard so cuts off any future leadership aspirations Joe has, while putting him in a Ministry so that they can spruik a new "unified" team.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Gillard only brought back Rudd to the Cabinet after they lost their majority. Otherwise I doubt she'd have bothered.

I can't see his successor giving Abbott oxygen. Bad look to have him hanging around and doing who knows what vindictive activities.

 

[Mofra]

Gillard only brought back Rudd to the Cabinet after they lost their majority. Otherwise I doubt she'd have bothered.

I can't see his successor giving Abbott oxygen. Bad look to have him hanging around and doing who knows what vindictive activities.

They could keep him on as Minister for Women for the lulz

 

[LennyStarkiller]

If there were a change of leadership, how many of the cabinet would also change?
Who would definitely not be there? Hockey, Brandis, Dutton?

Christopher Pyne

 

[Gough]

When Robert Doyle challenged Denis Napthine for the Victorian Liberals leadership and won, interestingly Doyle included Napthine into his shadow cabinet. I would imagine that if Turnbull/Bishop/Morrison won the vote, would he/she include Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey in the cabinet. Remember, when Kevin Rudd defeated Julia Gillard in 2013, half of the Labor cabinet resigned/quit because they couldn't stand the thought of working with Rudd again. As it turned out, the ALP lost the 2013 election.


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If they were smart, they'd clear out the dregs of the Howard years, Abetz, Pyne, Andrews, Dutton, those sorts who they should have binned after 2007. That they didn't clear out like this after they lost government previously is perhaps one the reasons they are struggling so badly this time around. The SA Libs are a good example of what happens when you refuse to regenerate you list.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

They could keep him on as Minister for Women for the lulz

Arrange a private overseas job perhaps.

He can lecture at Harvard with Kevin

 

[Pie eyed]

Without good reason lol.

All the cuts have been on spiteful, ideological grounds. In fact all the new and proposed legislation is ideologically driven by the Libs "better than you" class driven ruling class mentality.
How's that budget emergency going?

 

[Jascave]

If they were smart, they'd clear out the dregs of the Howard years, Abetz, Pyne, Andrews, Dutton, those sorts who they should have binned after 2007. That they didn't clear out like this after they lost government previously is perhaps one the reasons they are struggling so badly this time around. The SA Libs are a good example of what happens when you refuse to regenerate you list.

It's like the Liberals took a leaf out of the Queensland State of Origin rugby league selectors's playbook by sticking with the 'tried and true' formula, when in reality, they should've undertaken a major clean out after the 2007 election loss and promoted new people into the Liberals cabinet.


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[questionable]

Might throw Hockey and bone and move him into Defence - it's historically a ministerial graveyard so cuts off any future leadership aspirations Joe has, while putting him in a Ministry so that they can spruik a new "unified" team.

i did enjoy hearing the head of the ADA say they were sick of being given the dregs after kevin andrews' appointment.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

If they were smart, they'd clear out the dregs of the Howard years, Abetz, Pyne, Andrews, Dutton, those sorts who they should have binned after 2007. That they didn't clear out like this after they lost government previously is perhaps one the reasons they are struggling so badly this time around. The SA Libs are a good example of what happens when you refuse to regenerate you list.

It's like the Liberals took a leaf out of the Queensland State of Origin rugby league selectors's playbook by sticking with the 'tried and true' formula, when in reality, they should've undertaken a major clean out after the 2007 election loss and promoted new people into the Liberals cabinet.

A bunch of them would've retired by now (or been fairly content to sit on the backbenches) if not for the events of 2010 making them think "Hmmm, maybe there is another run in government in me?".

 

[clogged]

Rudd had only been unpopular for a few months and his ditching was extremely sudden and happened in about 12 hours.

Abbott has been unpopular for 17 months, has never been popular as Prime Minister and there's been leadership talk for weeks/months i.e. not a shock to voters. There's no comparison.

The last Newspoll under Rudd pre replacement had the ALP leading 52-48.

 

[questionable]

If he gets the boot, which would be at least even money in my view, what happens to the PM? Does he go quietly or will he stay on like Rudd, and snipe and background journalists? If he has learnt anything form the destabalisation of the ALP over the last seven years, you'd think he will resign and force a bi-election.

i think he'll resign from parliament. but in the lead up to the spill, i expect him to suggest otherwise as a veiled threat to the partyroom. it looks like he's already started with his comments about "reproducing the rabble of the labor years".

 

[Bomberboyokay]

The last Newspoll under Rudd pre replacement had the ALP leading 52-48.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Australian_federal_election,_2010

Hmmm I guess it really was about Rudd being a prick to work under.

 

[Jascave]

A bunch of them would've retired by now (or been fairly content to sit on the backbenches) if not for the events of 2010 making them think "Hmmm, maybe there is another run in government in me?".

When in reality, most of the government MPs were already (or are) past their use-by date, when they lost in 2007.


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[Maggie5]

Arrange a private overseas job perhaps.

He can lecture at Harvard with Kevin

nah, take Downer's job. High Commissioner to Britain.

 

[Contra Mundum]

She was a better and will be a longer serving PM than Abbott, the last PM that got as far out of his depth as Abbott is was Harold Holt.

http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/articl...ushed-hospital-after-overdosing-schadenfreude

 

[Power Raid]

They didn't "need" to reform education to suit their own agenda - Gonski was a long running paper that utilized an evidence based approach to improving the education system in Australia.

Nor did they need to reform the social services sector within the first 12 months of government - The Shergold report was driving a Social services overhaul in Victoria which they could easily use as a benchmark for reform once the results of those changes were established. Given Shergold's Lib links and the Lib government at the time, you'd think effective policy and the support from their own side would have made this a no-brainer. Again, evidence-shunning in lieu of ideology.

Healthcare does need reform but they have very quickly gotten the AMA offside with repeated policy mis-steps. Again, pissing off a highly regarded group who could have been used to inform policy is not clever.

For all their talk of "not selling the message adequately", they clearly have avoided the most basic aspects of policy-making and that is their biggest problem.

1) Gonski is a flawed system and ignores the role of the state. The feds should simply hand over the $s rather than implementing a big dopey system with no competition to generate fresh ideas.
2) HECS needs a review
3) Rolling back NDIS is a must and let the DCSs do their job.......again just hand over the money
4) re health agree. Labor claims $3b can be saved by addressing wastage which equates to a 15% saving or better services


Out of the above rolling back Gonski but handing over the funds to the states would have been fine. Same with the NDIS as both are structural reforms rather than $ cuts.

The healthcare one is the most challenging but the biggest priority. This should have been done much better with a clear plan designed (to set a framework and promote discussion) and then invite the participants in the sector to finalise the plan and implement the changes. This is a two year exercise that gets incorporated into a budget not the other way around.

 

[Lebbo73]

... Lebbo ???

I don't use Alts Owl.