Mega Thread All things Tony Abbott

[The_Reaper]

Jensen has a lot of friends in the WA State Executive from memory.

Pretty sure they saved his arse after the preselections twice.

 

[Jascave]

The way I see it, there WILL be a vote for the leadership next Tuesday/Wednesday. The question is though, who will be standing for the top job, and, how many votes would Bishop/Turnbull/Morrison need to topple Tony Abbott? And what effect will the leadership vote have on the Coalition-especially the partnership between the Liberals and the Nationals-between now and the next Federal Election?


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[Showbags]

Workchoices increased wages and productivity. The only reason the Unions didn't like it was because their members had to do some work to earn their money. It is a noble concept apparently.

Where is the evidence for this statement? A complete load of bulldust if ever I've seen it.

Real wages actually declined after the implementation of Workchoices (pay rises were measly and these were easily gobbled up by a higher inflationary environment during that period).

And Productivity was stagnant as well. All this during a resources boom.

All Workchoices "achieved" was the stripping of people's conditions, job security and right to initiate industrial action. A dog of a policy that rightfully led to the downfall of the Howard Government.

And guess who were some of the Chief Architects of it. Kevin Andrews, Eric Abetz, Joe Hockey, Tony Abbott. They have never admitted that it was unfair policy just that "the electorate weren't ready to stomach it yet". Looks like they are gearing up for a second crack again this time under a different banner.

 

[Frank Grimes]

They're probably like anyone else who has fallen for a rather obvious con. they're super embarrassed.

Perhaps we should pity them rather than laugh at them. Or at least after we've had a good laugh at them.

 

[little graham]

I'll support whoever sends Pyne to the back bench where we can watch him cry.

 

[AM]

The way I see it, there WILL be a vote for the leadership next Tuesday/Wednesday. The question is though, who will be standing for the top job, and, how many votes would Bishop/Turnbull/Morrison need to topple Tony Abbott? And what effect will the leadership vote have on the Coalition-especially the partnership between the Liberals and the Nationals-between now and the next Federal Election?

Can't see it occurring that quickly Jase. Apart from anything else there is no clear contender at present.

 

[Showbags]

Good topic! Long time lurker here who is compelled to comment! Im a young female, being in my late 20s. Im the demographic that Tony supposedly has the most problems with out there in the electorate and so I think its good to hear my view on the man that could very well be Australia's next Prime Minister.

I like Tony, I like him ALOT (if you couldnt tell by my moniker!). I really don't think it's fair to criticise him and or base an entire judgement on him from comments (abortion views etc) he made back in the 1970s/1980s when he was young and inexperienced.He has publicly ruled out making abortions illegal and whatever else he has been accused of saying and doing, its all pure fear mongering from a nervous left who simply fear losing power. All politicians start off being radical, opinionatedand passionate. Julia Gillard was a member of a far left organisation during her University days was she not? People change, and thats a good thing.

Abbott is a street fighter, he is clever, he can rally people together and he has conviction as the opening post mentioned. Noone gives him enough credit or thought as to what he achieved at the last election. He was disciplined, he was measured, he did his job and he worked hard. He does have a tendency to put his 'foot in it' and 'run of with his mouth' but I actually think this typifies his personality more than a lack of credibility or intelligence. To me, he's just someone that says what he thinks and doesnt hold back. He's open, forthright, and I think he's so comfortable with saying exactly what he thinks/feels because he genuinely believes what he says. Isnt that a refreshing change to the minders/press secretarys/factions/unions who stage manage Julia Gillards media/public persona? I think it is.

To say he has enemies these days is a bit of a stretch. The moderates in the Liberal Party have come to like him as he has led the party back on track. The electorate are beginning to like him too as they wonder whatever happened to Kevin Rudd and his 'change' and Julia Gillard and her promise that 'I rule out a carbon tax'. The only ones who hate him are the far left in Australian politics who have short memories as they forget where their own political leaders came from in the past.

He should get rid of this paid maternity leave thing he talks about, I agree with the poster who said that. Im a young woman who will have children in the next 5 years and I dont feel its warranted quite like his policy sets out. He needs to find someone to be his treasurer and deputy over the coming 18 months as the Liberal Party attempts to gain economic credibilty back from the ALP. I think that will be the one thing that could stop Tony Abbott from being PM, its the economic policies that need to be sounded out better, explored, announced, fought for in parliament etc. Tony is not an economist, he needs a Peter Costello/Paul Keating type to help him fight in parliament, out there in the electorate and in medialand. I am also a huge fan of Joe Hockey but I dont think he cuts the mustard as an economist and treasurer. Joe is better suited to education, science and training or health or even work place relations (dare I say it, without work choices killing him with every step he takes).

Finally, I've met Tony Abbott a few times and he comes across 100% better in person than what you get on television and radio. He is always interested in what you have to say, always the first to crack a joke or have a laugh and always very quick to understand what you want from him and whether he can achieve that or not. Budgie smuggler jokes aside he also does alot for the health debate/discussion about obesity. Anyone that has lived and worked in Canberra knows that he is an avid cyclist, runner, swimmer, boxer and in general terms a very fit man.

Australia will vote him in within 18 months. Im sick of hearing facebook and twitter talk about this evil right winger who will ruin the country should he have the chance. Its time for people to stand up and talk about Tony Abbott and give a true and fair indication of who and what he is. The lies and misinformation about him have gone on for too long.

Haven't had a belly laugh like this for a while. Surely this poster was only here as a sh*t stir.

There was wisdom in her madness though:

"I am also a huge fan of Joe Hockey but I dont think he cuts the mustard as an economist and treasurer."

 

[Power Raid]

Characterising Gonski as 'only one way of doing something' says that you don't understand it at all.

Please explain the benefits of a big one size fits all centralised education system that stifles innovation, creation and different ideas promotes a better education outcome?

I would prefer more public independent schools and private schools to pressure the public system to perform. Let's drag our public system up rather than drag everyone done. Local and tailored solutions will always beat a centralised model.

We should be aiming to make our Unis the best of the best, charging more doesn't achieve that end.

Yes we should. Do we do that by restricting university funding models? So for schools it is all about increasing funding but for universities it is about putting a noose around there necks?

worse, we slap good universities in the face and say they can only charge the same as crap universities? or do we run our entire education system from canberra and force everyone to wear chairman mao suits?

The current arrangements require repayment based on tax returns, so the study is not fatally flawed.

it considered the higher income resulting in higher taxes as a return to society which has a flaw in the thinking. it is a slap in the face to those that earn the same higher income but didn't go to university as they contribute the same income tax.

 

[Jascave]

I reckon this is why Tony Abbott envy US President Barack Obama. Despite being a 'lame duck' president, he still managed to steer the Democratic Party to two elections wins in a row. Abbott on the other hand has no such luxury.


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[Power Raid]

No it isn't.

They are not businesses, the objective is not to generate profit but to educate. Since social utility is the driver, merit and not wealth is the limiting factor.

Deregulation will harm the sector.

WTF?

They are a business and their business is to provide a service of education. I agree they should not be for profit and if they were, their public funding should be reduced.

I agree on the merit not wealth factor and that is why we have Austudy, HECS and student loans meaning you get paid to study and your fees are not payable until you earn $53k per annum. wow, what a great deal!

 

[Play by Numbers]

WTF?

They are a business and their business is to provide a service of education. I agree they should not be for profit and if they were, their public funding should be reduced.

I agree on the merit not wealth factor and that is why we have Austudy, HECS and student loans meaning you get paid to study and your fees are not payable until you earn $53k per annum. wow, what a great deal!

They are not businesses.

 

[Number37]

Please explain the benefits of a big one size fits all centralised education system that stifles innovation, creation and different ideas promotes a better education outcome?

Start by telling us how Gonski stifles innovation, creation and different ideas.

Yes we should. Do we do that by restricting university funding models? So for schools it is all about increasing funding but for universities it is about putting a noose around there necks?
worse, we slap good universities in the face and say they can only charge the same as crap universities? or do we run our entire education system from canberra and force everyone to wear chairman mao suits?

Start by telling us how increased fees will make students better graduates.
The entire purpose of university education is to give students the necessary theoretical background in their chosen field. Will they learn more because they are paying more? Could they be taught more because they are paying more?

it considered the higher income resulting in higher taxes as a return to society which has a flaw in the thinking. it is a slap in the face to those that earn the same higher income but didn't go to university as they contribute the same income tax.

You are confused again.

 

[Power Raid]

They are not businesses.

mmm

they provide a service being the provision of education
they accept fees from students and revenues from the government to provide this service
they make investments in infrastructure, intellectual property assets
they have a board, financial statements, budgets and a finance team
they have customers
they can be for profit or not for profit


walks like a duck, sounds like a duck it is a .......

 

[Number37]

mmm

they provide a service being the provision of education
they accept fees from students and revenues from the government to provide this service
they make investments in infrastructure, intellectual property assets
they have a board, financial statements, budgets and a finance team
they have customers
they can be for profit or not for profit


walks like a duck, sounds like a duck it is a .......

So does a Museum, Art Gallery, Government department...are they businesses to?

 

[Play by Numbers]

mmm

they provide a service being the provision of education
they accept fees from students and revenues from the government to provide this service
they make investments in infrastructure, intellectual property assets
they have a board, financial statements, budgets and a finance team
they have customers
they can be for profit or not for profit


walks like a duck, sounds like a duck it is a .......

Australian public universities are not businesses. They are educational institutions.

They do not generate a profit for either shareholders nor owners, nor do they aim to

 

[Power Raid]

Australian public universities are not businesses. They are educational institutions.

They do not generate a profit for either shareholders nor owners, nor do they aim to

heard of not-for-profit businesses?

 

[Power Raid]

So does a Museum, Art Gallery, Government department...are they businesses to?

run through the question yourself but remember substance over form is usually a good rule as you do it


I sense you might be confusing profit motives and structure rather than looking at the operations

 

[I am Jack]

I reckon this is why Tony Abbott envy US President Barack Obama. Despite being a 'lame duck' president, he still managed to steer the Democratic Party to two elections wins in a row. Abbott on the other hand has no such luxury.


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Totally different positions to be in. It is easy for Obama to get in when most his voters are dependent on welfare - and Obama is the king of welfare.
Abbott is the total opposite, he tells the nation to buckle up, the age of entitlement is over. On that alone his days were numbered.

 

[Number37]

run through the question yourself but remember substance over form is usually a good rule as you do it


I sense you might be confusing profit motives and structure rather than looking at the operations

I sense you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Power Raid]

So does a Museum, Art Gallery, Government department...are they businesses to?

http://www.artgallery.wa.gov.au/publications/documents/AGWA_AnnualReport_2013-14.pdf

 

[Maggie5]

You don't lose 10kgs if you bludge at work!

Err, yes you can, have you heard of Jenny Craig, diets, gym?

 

[Maggie5]

heard of not-for-profit businesses?

Yes, I worked for a non for profit private provider and left after 18 months.
Directors paid an indecent salary, car, generous super, whilst rooting the system. TAFE sector and it still going on.
Fortunately due to a couple of brave trainers, a couple were closed down but it still going on.

 

[Malifice]

Turnbull would win an election. Heck I would vote for him.

Biggest problem is he would need the approval of the Liberal hard right to gain (and hold power). They would reign in his more socially progressive side.

Like what Labor right did to Gillard. She was at their beck and call as soon as she answered the call.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

historically when it comes to the libs federal leadership spills rarely see the PM rolled.
generally they hold off on the bloodletting until they are removed from office.

I expect some sort of half arsed spill where someone challenges but just doesn't have the numbers. at best a draw.

 

[Schraderbrau]

I thought so too, but almost everyone said he wouldn't go quietly, and that looks like being correct if his pre-emptive leaks against Bishop and Turnbull are true. It is Rudd/Gillard all over again. #facepalm

There's still a big difference between 'not going quietly' and doing what Rudd did. Abbott will definitely force a ballot and may not allow a blind vote however if he gets rolled he won't spend the next 12 months effectively campaigning for the opposition which is pretty much what Rudd did.