Mega Thread All things Tony Abbott

Who will be the next Prime Minister of Australia

  • Malcolm Turnbull

  • Julie Bishop

  • Scott Morrison

  • Andrew Robb

  • Someone from the LIberal Party other than those above

  • Bill Shorten

  • Someone from the Labor Party other than Shorten

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Power Raid said:
1) Gonski is a flawed system and ignores the role of the state. The feds should simply hand over the $s rather than implementing a big dopey system with no competition to generate fresh ideas.
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How is Gonski flawed?


Power Raid said:
2) HECS needs a review
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University funding needs a review, HECS is just one element.

Studies have shown that 30% of the benefits of tertiary education flows to the individual and 70% flows to society.

www.oecd.org/dataoecd/61/60/48630822.pdf

Have you looked at the changes to research funding?
Pyne wants to dumb down this country so that nobody can question the LNP's ideology. Sad state of affairs.
 
Number37 said:
How is Gonski flawed?




University funding needs a review, HECS is just one element.

Studies have shown that 30% of the benefits of tertiary education flows to the individual and 70% flows to society.

www.oecd.org/dataoecd/61/60/48630822.pdf

Have you looked at the changes to research funding?
Pyne wants to dumb down this country so that nobody can question the LNP's ideology. Sad state of affairs.
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1) Having only one way of doing something will always be inferior to one of diversity, choice, flexibility and challenging processes. So a state based solution tailoring for local needs and learning of each other will always beat swallowing some Canberra vote agenda.
2) Yep your right a full review of funding, regulation or deregulation (or something in between), HECS, education outcome etc all need to be assessed together. It is bizarre that a degree at the best university and worst university should cost the same.

You study has a fatal flaw as it considers returns though income tax.
 

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geelong_boy said:
Why is defence seen as a dead end these days? Fraser and Beazley were former ministers in the portfolio, weren't they?
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Although Malcolm Fraser did accuse the late John Gorton of disloyalty during a speech in Parliament back in 1971 while he was Defence Minister. Gorton forced the issue by having a vote against Billy McMahon in 1972. McMahon won the vote but then led the Coalition into losing the 1972 election against Gough Whitlam and thus surrendering 23 years of being in government.



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Mofra said:
They didn't "need" to reform education to suit their own agenda - Gonski was a long running paper that utilized an evidence based approach to improving the education system in Australia.

Nor did they need to reform the social services sector within the first 12 months of government - The Shergold report was driving a Social services overhaul in Victoria which they could easily use as a benchmark for reform once the results of those changes were established. Given Shergold's Lib links and the Lib government at the time, you'd think effective policy and the support from their own side would have made this a no-brainer. Again, evidence-shunning in lieu of ideology.

Healthcare does need reform but they have very quickly gotten the AMA offside with repeated policy mis-steps. Again, pissing off a highly regarded group who could have been used to inform policy is not clever.

For all their talk of "not selling the message adequately", they clearly have avoided the most basic aspects of policy-making and that is their biggest problem.
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Spot on Mofra, the LNP's complete inability to consult, even with their own backbenchers, let alone industry is staggering..........mature government apparently.
 
Power Raid said:
1) Having only one way of doing something will always be inferior to one of diversity, choice, flexibility and challenging processes. So a state based solution tailoring for local needs and learning of each other will always beat swallowing some Canberra vote agenda.
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Characterising Gonski as 'only one way of doing something' says that you don't understand it at all.

Power Raid said:
2) Yep your right a full review of funding, regulation or deregulation (or something in between), HECS, education outcome etc all need to be assessed together. It is bizarre that a degree at the best university and worst university should cost the same.

You study has a fatal flaw as it considers returns though income tax.
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We should be aiming to make our Unis the best of the best, charging more doesn't achieve that end.

Power Raid said:
You study has a fatal flaw as it considers returns though income tax.
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The current arrangements require repayment based on tax returns, so the study is not fatally flawed.
 
When you get to the chair in the way Abbott did, you aren't going to stay there long.
Leaders don't take pot shots, represent nothing, then demand respect when they are PM.
Abbott is reaping what he sown. It is all coming to fruition, this spill is inevitable.

The reason we go through so many PM's is because none of them get there in a respectful manner.
None of these PM's of late have commanded respect. They've all been deceitful little cretins - and have been treated accordingly.
 
Freo Big Fella said:
The more I think about it, the more I think he's going to be our version of George W Bush.

-Terrible speaker
-Already the subject of international mockery
-Public utterances/image largely controlled by shadowy party figures (Credlin/Loughnane)
-Well-established history of religiously-driven, big/interfering government conservatism.

It's going to be an amusing three years.
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This post wasn't wrong though.
 
Power Raid said:
1) Having only one way of doing something will always be inferior to one of diversity, choice, flexibility and challenging processes. So a state based solution tailoring for local needs and learning of each other will always beat swallowing some Canberra vote agenda.
2) Yep your right a full review of funding, regulation or deregulation (or something in between), HECS, education outcome etc all need to be assessed together. It is bizarre that a degree at the best university and worst university should cost the same.

You study has a fatal flaw as it considers returns though income tax.
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No it isn't.

They are not businesses, the objective is not to generate profit but to educate. Since social utility is the driver, merit and not wealth is the limiting factor.

Deregulation will harm the sector.
 

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They still aren't getting it, still not listening.
Every news report I saw tonight, it is the same mantra.
Stopped the Boats, Carbon/Mining Tax, etc. even when the question was asked differently.
Taking credit for rate cuts, was a good question - are your letting treasury do the work for you?
Taking credit for drop in oil prices - mmm I think it maybe be slowly going back up - will you take credit for that too?
I think that the best thing for me is when I see the next talking LNP head is to watch the test pattern (sadly not on any more), much more pleasing to the eye and ear.
 
Maggie5 said:
They still aren't getting it, still not listening.
Every news report I saw tonight, it is the same mantra.
Stopped the Boats, Carbon/Mining Tax, etc. even when the question was asked differently.
Taking credit for rate cuts, was a good question - are your letting treasury do the work for you?
Taking credit for drop in oil prices - mmm I think it maybe be slowly going back up - will you take credit for that too?
I think that the best thing for me is when I see the next talking LNP head is to watch the test pattern (sadly not on any more), much more pleasing to the eye and ear.
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They weren't held accountable in opposition. They said anything and the talking heads earnestly nodded their heads and agreed that Labor was the worst government ever, that Julia Gillard killed kittens and climate change would cease to happen on their watch. Reaping what they've sowed.
 
Gough said:
Kris Kristoffersen, like the PM, is a Rhodes Scholar and a boxing Blue. Let's swap the PM for him.
#krisforPM
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Chalk and cheese, at least Kristoffersen can deliver a speech coherently and without every second word being followed by an er or an um.
 
What a pathetic liberal party. they need to be told there will be not carbon tax by the guy wanting to challenge the leadership. You can't get any more out of touch.
 
Lebbo73 said:
Workchoices increased wages and productivity. The only reason the Unions didn't like it was because their members had to do some work to earn their money. It is a noble concept apparently.
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Odd's on you're a dole bludger or on some hand-out.
Never read so much ideological tripe.
 
pazza said:
Has to be Truss or Joyce.

The Liberals wouldn't know how to run a country dunny....
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LOL Imagine having a Barnaby as PM.
Sounds like a spin off from Family Guy.
Truss doesn't even want to be leader of the Nats let alone PM. Only took the job because they fold otherwise.
 
RUNVS said:
Dan isn't the only Tony supporter that has gone MIA. JaneGuru (or GuruJane I can never remember) has also disappeared. Odds are she is pretty upset right now that everyone is not loving Tony as much as she does.
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They're probably like anyone else who has fallen for a rather obvious con. they're super embarrassed.

Perhaps we should pity them rather than laugh at them. Or at least after we've had a good laugh at them.
 
clogged said:
Sportsbet? It's 1.87 a piece for ALP and Coalition, and Abbott is 2.25, which means not-Abbott is the favourite.

As a comparison, Shorten is 1.15 to lead the ALP at the next election and Christine Milne is 2.20 to be leading the Greens (and many people think she'll retire)!
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Bet365 has the coalition at 1.75 and ALP at 2.00.

http://www.bet365.com.au/home/FlashGen4/WebConsoleApp.asp?affiliate=365_193976&cb=10326522106

A few markets have Abbott at 2.00 to be PM at the next election.

http://www.oddschecker.com.au/politics/australian-politics/prime-minister-at-next-election

But interestingly Betfair have Uncle Malc as favourite to be Liberal leader at the next election (in a thin market).

https://www.betfair.com.au/sports/politics/australian-politics/2215338
 

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