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[Sometimes]

It aint about how many, it's about the talent my friend.

It is one hell of a story you put together there.

Ever heard the expression give them enough rope....

Reiwoldt, Dal Santo, Hayes, Montagna, Goddard. Full stop. Thats 5 of their best 6 players who didn't suit up. I am sure if Kosi missed it would have been the straw that broke the camels back haha.

You actually left out the fact that Franklin had a blister on his in-step, Bateman had his rags, and Lewis didn't get any sleep the night before, because Bateman needed someone to talk to.

Here's hoping you have better luck next year, no team deserves to be served up that amount of bad luck.

So how about we just say the last time a full strength Hawks played a full strength Saints we won by 54 points? Works for me.

 

[SirJimi05]

It aint about how many, it's about the talent my friend.

It is one hell of a story you put together there.

Ever heard the expression give them enough rope....

Reiwoldt, Dal Santo, Hayes, Montagna, Goddard. Full stop. Thats 5 of their best 6 players who didn't suit up. I am sure if Kosi missed it would have been the straw that broke the camels back haha.

You actually left out the fact that Franklin had a blister on his in-step, Bateman had his rags, and Lewis didn't get any sleep the night before, because Bateman needed someone to talk to.

Here's hoping you have better luck next year, no team deserves to be served up that amount of bad luck.

6 of 6. Fisher was a late withdrawal.

Funniest part of his post was the part where he stated that Williams was their most creative goalkicker and a big loss. This is round 19 we are talking about!!!! A few weeks later he is rubbish and should have retired years ago.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I think what has happened is they have spun so much shit, talked so much utter tripe, they actually believe it now.

Sad, extremely sad.

It's pretty obvious to those intelligent posters that Hawthorn had injury issues in 2009, and that when our first stringers went down, a bunch of our second stringers did as well. You can analyse each game all you want, but the fact is that injury and form let us down in 2009.

Yet you Essendon fools want to continue down this path of 'Hawthorns injuries weren't that bad, they're just shit', and expose us to the world for the great injustice that was the 2008 Premiership.

But you need to let it go, because nothing is going to change the fact that more people rate Hawthorn than they do Essendon, no matter how poor our 2009 season was.
It's this point that seems to burn so deep.

P.S Personally I love that you and you're mates are so disgruntled by us that you just can't leave this thread alone. Talk about being in your head!

 

[PewPewPew]

It's pretty obvious to those intelligent posters that Hawthorn had injury issues in 2009, and that when our first stringers went down, a bunch of our second stringers did as well. You can analyse each game all you want, but the fact is that injury and form let us down in 2009.

Yet you Essendon fools want to continue down this path of 'Hawthorns injuries weren't that bad, they're just shit', and expose us to the world for the great injustice that was the 2008 Premiership.

But you need to let it go, because nothing is going to change the fact that more people rate Hawthorn than they do Essendon, no matter how poor our 2009 season was.
It's this point that seems to burn so deep.

Repeated for pure ownage.

 

[go team]

But you need to let it go, because nothing is going to change the fact that more people rate Hawthorn than they do Essendon, no matter how poor our 2009 season was.
It's this point that seems to burn so deep.

Most people rate Carlton over Essendon too.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Most people rate Carlton over Essendon too.

There's a fair amount of unkown about Carlton and how they will perform without Fevola as the forward focal point.
That being said, Carlton have the superior midfield that can also kick goals, and more class all over the ground.

 

[HeHateMe]

Most people rate Carlton over Essendon too.

What about you do you rate hawthorn and calton over essendon??

 

[The Donners]

Adelaide - 26.10 (166)
Essendon - 10.10 (70)

Hawks lost to us twice in '09.

 

[Schmucta]

Repeated for pure ownage.

Haha that just made me laugh, you would know all about ownage wouldn't you, hell you have shown is enough just within the confines of this thread.

I would love someone to point out where I have said outright Hawthorn was shit.... I have passed no judgement on the question asked in the OP as who would really know??

What I have done is to show you everyone who has followed this thread just how absolutely pathetic your supporters are in regards to making excuses. Simon Nesbits last post outlining what went wrong against the Saints, damn, that really needs to be recorded somewhere for posterity, as it is a pearler.

This was brought about because a couple of your posters took offence when people said that the Saints had so many out in that game. That is what I commented on. Your posters brought up their thoughts on that EXACT game, not me or any Essendon supporter.

Do you see St Kilda supporters whinging and moaning about how Reiwoldt played with a bung knee? There might be one or two, or there might not, but there is definitely none out there crying as much as you Hawks supporters in regards to injuries. You come on here and post stupid threads such as this one, and 'Hawthorns quality young list' and you just cannot see how pathetic you sound when you try and justify your dismal season. Fact: you had injuries. Fact: everyone else had injuries, some more than others, but if you really did have such a quality young list, you would be called Geelong, as they seemed to handle their injuries fairly well, winning the Premiership actually.

You fail to accept that anything to do with your team is mediocre, but love to pass judgment on other teams, even twisting words and articles when you so desire.

Rather than copping the stick you receive on the chin, you would rather whinge moan and make the most awesomest excuses I think I have ever heard, like it is only your team that has had to play through a few niggles. Yet when this is pointed out to you, you still don't accept it, you would rather continue self-pwning yourself for the whole of big footy to see.

I have toyed with you enough on this thread, I have had enough belly laughs reading your excuses to last out the year.

It seems that Hawks think that when all else fails, blame the injuries. My advice would be that when all else fails.... quit using all else.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Hey Shmucta, check out the sportsbet site. Click here

Essendon are paying $15 for the spoon, good money if you get a few injuries.

Sadly though, Hawthorn aren't given much of a chance of this coveted prize at $151.

But at least we're 3rd favourite for the flag at $9.

I guess injuries really didn't have anything to do with our poor 2009, it's just that we like to make excuses. Oh well, at least the bookies are listening.

 

[The Panther]

But at least we're 3rd favourite for the flag at $9.

I guess injuries really didn't have anything to do with our poor 2009, it's just that we like to make excuses. Oh well, at least the bookies are listening.

The same bookies had Fremantle as the 3rd favorites PS in 2008. I wouldn't hang your hat on that.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Lots of blah blah.

Fact: you had injuries. Fact: everyone else had injuries, some more than others, but if you really did have such a quality young list, you would be called Geelong, as they seemed to handle their injuries fairly well, winning the Premiership actually.

Actually no.

Listed Players 'Past their Prime' ('Overs 29s' - Born Before 31-12-1980)

1. Western Bulldogs - 12.50%
2. St Kilda - 11.63%
3. Adelaide - 11.36%
4. Geelong - 11.36%
5. Sydney - 9.52%
6. Fremantle - 9.30%
7. Port Adelaide - 9.30%
8. Brisbane - 7.50%
9. Collingwood - 6.67%
10. Richmond - 5.13%
11. Melbourne - 4.65%
12. Essendon - 2.50%
13. Carlton - 2.38%
14. West Coast - 2.38%
15. North Melbourne - 2.27%
16. Hawthorn - 2.17%

Listed Players 'In their Prime' (Between 24 and 29 Years - Born Between 31-12-1980 and 31-12-1985)

1. Geelong - 36.36%
2. Brisbane - 35.00%
3. Fremantle - 32.56%
4. St Kilda - 32.56%
5. Western Bulldogs - 30.00%
6. Collingwood - 28.89%
7. Sydney - 28.57%
8. Port Adelaide - 27.91%
9. Essendon - 27.50%
10. Carlton - 26.19%
11. Hawthorn - 26.09%
12. North Melbourne - 25.00%
13. West Coast - 23.81%
14. Melbourne - 23.26%
15. Adelaide - 22.73%
16. Richmond - 15.38%

Listed Players 'Yet to Reach Their Prime' ('Under 24s' - Born After 31-12-1985)

1. Richmond - 79.49%
2. West Coast - 73.81%
3. North Melbourne - 72.73%
4. Melbourne - 72.09%
5. Hawthorn - 71.74%
6. Essendon - 70.00%
7. Carlton - 69.05%
8. Collingwood - 64.44%
9. Adelaide - 63.64%
10. Port Adelaide - 62.79%
11. Sydney - 61.90%
12. Fremantle - 58.14%
13. Brisbane - 57.50%
14. Western Bulldogs - 57.50%
15. St Kilda - 55.81%
16. Geelong - 52.27%

Thanks again to Damon_3388.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

The same bookies had Fremantle as the 3rd favorites PS in 2008. I wouldn't hang your hat on that.

That was a bad assumption based on Freo continuing to rise to be a decent club.

We've already got players who have tasted success, albeit at a younger age and the assumption is that they will return to form in 2010.

 

[Schmucta]

Hey Shmucta, check out the sportsbet site. Click here

Essendon are paying $15 for the spoon, good money if you get a few injuries.

Sadly though, Hawthorn aren't given much of a chance of this coveted prize at $151.

But at least we're 3rd favourite for the flag at $9.

I guess injuries really didn't have anything to do with our poor 2009, it's just that we like to make excuses. Oh well, at least the bookies are listening.

You really don't want to start with spoon talk do you? Really? You have 'won' 7 of them since we last got one handed to us....

And your Flag/Spoon ratio is looking a bit sick too....

When all else fails....

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

You really don't want to start with spoon talk do you? Really? You have 'won' 7 of them since we last got one handed to us....

And your Flag/Spoon ratio is looking a bit sick too....

When all else fails....

I see the point sailed straight over your head. Congrats.

 

[The Donners]

That was a bad assumption based on Freo continuing to rise to be a decent club.

We've already got players who have tasted success, albeit at a younger age and the assumption is that they will return to form in 2010.

So odds mean jack shit?

I think you'll find Essendon were odds on to lose against Carlton twice, Hawthorn, Collingwood and St. Kilda.

The old age theory, it's a load of shit. Players peak at different ages i.e. Franklin and Roughead have most probably peaked, they may even decline - like any other player/s in the competition.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Franklin and Roughead have most probably peaked, they may even decline - like any other player/s in the competition.

Run with that for a while, see how many laughs you get. You've got some here already.

 

[PewPewPew]

Ok, so now we have it:

Hawthorn 2008 "overachieved" and won the flag.

The injury toll that was referred to constantly in the media throughout 2009, was "overrated" (despite having every player on our very young list (bar 3 or 4?) play in 2009 due to injuries to first & second string and backup players).

Said "injury toll" of Hawthorn in 2009 was a myth perpetrated by the HFC to cover up the fact that the 2008 premiership team was, in fact, no good. This myth fooled the media and the general football public and it is not till now that a couple of bomber fans on bigfooty have busted it...

Rioli was a 'flash in the pan' in 2008 because he didn't win the rising star.

Franklin and Roughead have peaked.

Gibson is a hack.

Burgoyne (sp?) has bung knees.

The reasons given by Hawks fans for the teams demise in 09 are just whiny excuses - despite being widely discussed the in media throughout 2009.

Hawks 2010 have no talent, no match winners, they don't have a decent mid-field, their forward line is over the hill, they don't have the dominant ruckman that all premership sides are built upon, Clarksons game plan has been 'worked out' by the opposition and he has noting else.

Major betting agencies have also had the wool pulled over their eyes by those wily folks at Waverley and have been sucked into making the Hawks short priced odds to make the top 8 & decent odds to make the top 4.

Essendon are awesome.

Yep, that just about sums it up: Hawks will struggle to make the 8 in 2010.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Ok, so now we have it:

Hawthorn 2008 "overachieved" and won the flag.

The injury toll that was referred to constantly in the media throughout 2009, was "overrated" (despite having every player on our very young list (bar 3 or 4?) play in 2009 due to injuries to first & second string and backup players).

Said "injury toll" of Hawthorn in 2009 was a myth perpetrated by the HFC to cover up the fact that the 2008 premiership team was, in fact, no good. This myth fooled the media and the general football public and it is not till now that a couple of bomber fans on bigfooty have busted it...

Rioli was a 'flash in the pan' in 2008 because he didn't win the rising star.

Franklin and Roughead have peaked.

Gibson is a hack.

Burgoyne (sp?) has bung knees.

The reasons given by Hawks fans for the teams demise in 09 are just whiny excuses - despite being widely discussed the in media throughout 2009.

Hawks 2010 have no talent, no match winners, they don't have a decent mid-field, their forward line is over the hill, they don't have the dominant ruckman that all premership sides are built upon, Clarksons game plan has been 'worked out' by the opposition and he has noting else.

Major betting agencies have also had the wool pulled over their eyes by those wily folks at Waverley and have been sucked into making the Hawks short priced odds to make the top 8 & decent odds to make the top 4.

Essendon are awesome.

Yep, that just about sums it up: Hawks will struggle to make the 8 in 2010.

Yep, I'm pretty sure that's their argument in a nutshell. Good stuff, eh.

What they really want is for us to say our club is crap, that we don't have much faith in them returning to the top, that we didn't even belong there in the first place, that we don't think injuries were a major factor in our poor 2009 and that so many other clubs have leap frogged us, but the problem is, we don't actually believe any of those things and it eats at them.
It burns them deeply, and I think we should take great pleasure in it myself.

 

[kickittobucks]

have got no chance!

 

[vonn]

My god this thread is still going?

Won't win a premiership next year.

 

[The Donners]

Run with that for a while, see how many laughs you get. You've got some here already.

08: Franklin 113 goals, 75 goals
09: Franklin 67 goals, Roughead 51 goals

Laugh all you want. Stats are there for all to see, doesn't appear to have been any improvement for either of them in '09, in fact, they went into decline by the look of things wouldn't you agree?

Suck it up, Hawks over-achieved in '08.

 

[The Donners]

Ok, so now we have it:

Hawthorn 2008 "overachieved" and won the flag.

The injury toll that was referred to constantly in the media throughout 2009, was "overrated" (despite having every player on our very young list (bar 3 or 4?) play in 2009 due to injuries to first & second string and backup players).

Said "injury toll" of Hawthorn in 2009 was a myth perpetrated by the HFC to cover up the fact that the 2008 premiership team was, in fact, no good. This myth fooled the media and the general football public and it is not till now that a couple of bomber fans on bigfooty have busted it...

Rioli was a 'flash in the pan' in 2008 because he didn't win the rising star.

Franklin and Roughead have peaked.

Gibson is a hack.

Burgoyne (sp?) has bung knees.

The reasons given by Hawks fans for the teams demise in 09 are just whiny excuses - despite being widely discussed the in media throughout 2009.

Hawks 2010 have no talent, no match winners, they don't have a decent mid-field, their forward line is over the hill, they don't have the dominant ruckman that all premership sides are built upon, Clarksons game plan has been 'worked out' by the opposition and he has noting else.

Major betting agencies have also had the wool pulled over their eyes by those wily folks at Waverley and have been sucked into making the Hawks short priced odds to make the top 8 & decent odds to make the top 4.

Essendon are awesome.

Yep, that just about sums it up: Hawks will struggle to make the 8 in 2010.

Hawks played fewer players in '09 than the Bombers did in '08 and they were to important players. Ellis, Young, Ladson... give me a break.

 

[Schmucta]

08: Franklin 113 goals, 75 goals
09: Franklin 67 goals, Roughead 51 goals

Laugh all you want. Stats are there for all to see, doesn't appear to have been any improvement for either of them in '09, in fact, they went into decline by the look of things wouldn't you agree?

Suck it up, Hawks over-achieved in '08.

Franklin had calf, hamstring, shoulder, finger, shin problems, and may have even had swine flu. In every game.

Roughead had back, forearm, heel and knee complaints week in week out, but did overcome his bout of malaria fully by round 19.

Didn't you know?

 

[SirJimi05]

Ok, so now we have it (Hawks perspective):

Hawthorn did not over-achieve in 2008. This is not possible. 2009 was simply an aberation and not vise-versa.

We had the most injuries and this is all that matters. We don't care what anyone says. It doesn't matter the calibre of players injured or anything like that.

Burgoyne is a better player than Crawford. Better in terms of their most recent seasons and over their careers.

There is no way in the world Franklin may have peaked. He will definitely kick atleast 114+ goals again.

Gibson is a gun and will make our defence better than it was in 2008. Lets not worry about the fact that most of us said he was worth a 3rd or 4th rounder at the trade table. He more than makes up for the loss of Croad in 2010.

Burgoyne's knees are fine regardless of what Port fans will have you believe. Williams has dodgy knees, we should know this because we are Hawks supporters so of course we know about our (ex) players.

The reasons given by Hawks fans for the teams demise in 09 are not just whiny excuses - despite them being a bunch of excuses. There is no way in the world that we will entertain the idea that we actually sucked.

Hawks 2010 have the most talent, most match winners, they have the mid-field, their forward line is the best, we don't need a dominent ruckman because we won in 2008 with spuds for rucks, Clarksons game plan hasn't been 'worked out' by the opposition.

Major betting agencies say we are a top 4 team so this proves it!

Rhan Hoopers problems/issues were resolved as soon as he was drafted to the Hawks and he is an absolute lock for round 1. He will also bring valuable experience to the squad both on and off the field.

Max Bailey was a massive loss and we label him a best 22 player when discussing our injuries despite him playing a total of 6 career games in 4 years. At the same time we love to poke fun at Essendon supporters if they ever suggest that Gumbleton could be part of their forward line in 2010 because lets face it the guy has only played 5 games in 3 years lol ahaha haha ha Gumby.

The only reason we lost to Essendon the first time is because Franklin only kicked 5, Williams is lazy and our entire team carried injuries into the game.

As of round 19, 2009 we rated Williams as our most creative forward and a big loss to our team but when he left us a few weeks later we have decided that he is washed up and should have retired years ago.

We will still beat Essendon 2 times in 2010 no matter how bad we are.

Quantity > quality! Having Riewoldt, Goddard, Hayes, Dal Santo, Fisher and Montanga out is not as big a loss as the 7 average players (collectively) that we had out.

Matthew Lloyd is another reason (not excuse) that we didn't make finals this season.

Yep, that just about sums it up: Hawks will definitely be top 4 in 2010 and will push for the flag.