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Sando said -

'I don't want to be an open and free flowing football team with our attack and then we leak goals.
'I prefer it to be contested, a scrap, like it was tonight (Brisbane), contest after contest after contest. That's when we play our best football.
'It doesn't suit us to play that open free flowing game. We certainly play better whenever our attack is on the back of good defence.'

Does this suggest that Sando is primarily a defensive coach?

A few seasons ago we were adept at moving the ball to outside players at centre bounces. We have lost this ability over those few seasons to the point that we seem unable to set-up to make this type of play. Our movement is now almost exclusively by rushed kick. We rarely give ourselves the option of a clear space receiver/runner going past. Similarly at general stoppages we so often are structured to emerge our play on the defensive side with slow circuitous hand/foot movements before we can clear and directionalise (is that a word?) into attack. We are devoid of any consistent outside run pattern.

Posters have noted 'how lazy we are', 'how we do not lead', 'how we do not spread', 'how slow/reluctant we are to make running position to present'. Compared to most sides we appear lethargic in providing clear options to advantage. Most of our play is characterised by a pattern of waiting for play to come to the contest. There is a lack of movement to space or advantage. Is this the Sando game? Does he want the safer 'hard slog', the inert 'grinding out' compared to at least a reasonable dose of creative football that precipitates more realistic scoring outcomes?

If our game is built on defence, does it follow that the players are expecting our play to evolve from a subconsciously conceded defensive condition? Does that make sense?.....that our game is structured for defence first and attack is the secondary outcome? Is this a psychological impediment.....a doctrine/mind-set that restricts a natural risk taking enterprising attacking approach? And if it is true that the first response is to play 'defensively' at contests, it does not help explain why we seem unable to apply the same around the ground pressure as other teams can do to us ( tackling stats). It is more often our game that exhibits a breaking down under pressure.

We are far better than what we are showing. However we seem to be doing it the hard bullish way, with a structure/game plan that leaves us taking optionless undisciplined rushed kicks and bombs. Or when we do emerge with clear possession having to second guess and improvise into the vast unpopulated spaces of our forward half. There has got to be a more productive way. We must have a game balance which is not just keyed off defence. A game where we can exploit outside runners, rebound carriers and some lively movement which creates loose players and puts some verve and unpredictability into our forward thrusts and goal scoring. The structure which facilitates our forward ball movement needs fixing.

Interested in what others think about these concerns of structures and play possibly based on a negative defensive mental attitude.
 
It was an example ;)

For team balance, I think we are better off with Tex & JJ as forwards, with McKernan as a ruck/forward, as he is a better ruckman than JJ & allows him to learn 1 role.

Having said that, I agree that we need to reward form & LJ should come in next week, with JJ spending more time in ruck.

LJ won't be delisted at the end of the season.
Think we are too big upfront with Smack, JJ and Tex.

If LJ has another good year with North and we don't play him why would we keep him? We obviously musnt rate him.
 
Think we are too big upfront with Smack, JJ and Tex.

If LJ has another good year with North and we don't play him why would we keep him? We obviously musnt rate him.
There is little difference up forward in bigness between Tex, JJ & Smack/Sauce combo or a Tex, LJ & JJ/Sauce combo.

We are 3 games in & you are already talking about delisting. Most of the season is to come! If LJ had a good pre-season, he would probably be in the side already. Now he is likely to get in given he has showed some form.
 

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Sando said -

'I don't want to be an open and free flowing football team with our attack and then we leak goals.
'I prefer it to be contested, a scrap, like it was tonight (Brisbane), contest after contest after contest. That's when we play our best football.
'It doesn't suit us to play that open free flowing game. We certainly play better whenever our attack is on the back of good defence.'

Does this suggest that Sando is primarily a defensive coach?


No. What it suggests is that he prefers the team to play a style of football that leaves a margin for error in high pressure games.
 
There is little difference up forward in bigness between Tex, JJ & Smack/Sauce combo or a Tex, LJ & JJ/Sauce combo.

We are 3 games in & you are already talking about delisting. Most of the season is to come! If LJ had a good pre-season, he would probably be in the side already. Now he is likely to get in given he has showed some form.
I know it's only 3 games in, my point is if he doesnt get a decent run this season why would we keep him?
 
I know it's only 3 games in, my point is if he doesnt get a decent run this season why would we keep him?
It's a non-issue, because LJ will get a decent opportunity this year.

Can't play the whole squad!
 
I do agree with that to some extent. But i still do feel when we plays sides like Port that their second tall is mobile we will struggle due to Ruttens lack of athleticism.

Where is our AA loose man in defence in that situation?

It's not just him thought - it's defence where at least half of them aren't defenders.
 
I think we have issues all over the ground. I believe that we have the players to cover our forward area, Tex, Jenkins, Douglas, Porps and if you must Johncock. Where we are really hurting is in our midfield and our half back line.
Our midfield is not getting the delivery from Jacobs like it did last year. I mean no one in their right mind would question Thompson but his work rate and touches are not what they were last year. Same as Dangerfield. Everyone is picking on Petrenko and even Sloane's numbers are down. VB and Vince are not producing. Wright is also not producing. So the mids are simply not performing. I had high hopes for Crouch but he doesnt seem to be ready.
Our backs dont have that "rugged nuggety go in and get the ball" type. Brown is not ready and when they do get the ball they seem to be able to run it out and execute their passes. Mind you even against Ports there were some moments like when Tex and Henderson went running down the wing and deliverying long kicks into the forward zone that looked really good These guys just dont seem to be able to sustain it.
As most appear to have alluded to our fitness I have to ask what has been the impact of losing Schwert ( I bet that is not spelt correctly) our fitness guru.
Finally Sanderson has never made me feel really confident in our teams ability. Yes he did do wonders last year but I still never felt confident with his decision making. (Perhaps its his soft demeanour). This year he doesnt have Bailey at his side and I wonder how much that is effecting what we are doing this year.
 
Interesting comment.

I did notice at the quarter time siren though that a couple of our players were down on their haunches and slumped over, looking spent (Thompson was one, can't remember the others) but none of the Port blokes were like that.

I noticed that too. Douglas was another. Didn't happen at 3 quarter time though as I was looking for it.
 

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Really good segment on us on Insider tonight.

Contested possessions, gone from No 1 in 2012 to No 10
Clearances gone from No 1 to No 10

Tackles 17th last year, 17th this year.

Key players Dangerfield, Jacobs, Sloane all slightly down on last year's figures.

Gone significantly backwards in marks inside 50. They mentioned no Tippett and also our lack of forward line options outside of Walker.

Also gone backwards with goals from turnovers. Were No 1 last year, now middle of the pack.
 
Really good segment on us on Insider tonight.

Contested possessions, gone from No 1 in 2012 to No 10
Clearances gone from No 1 to No 10

Tackles 17th last year, 17th this year.

Key players Dangerfield, Jacobs, Sloane all slightly down on last year's figures.

Gone significantly backwards in marks inside 50. They mentioned no Tippett and also our lack of forward line options outside of Walker.

Also gone backwards with goals from turnovers. Were No 1 last year, now middle of the pack.

Maybe because Walker is taking his marks quite regularly near our half-back line!
 
To me it all stems back to Jacobs. His drop in form coincides with mids dropping in form. A lack of fitness is noticable and no pace or defensice ability is noticeable in out back 50 bar Rutten and Talia. What I would give to have Jacobs back in from and a Grant Birchall running off a back flank for us. He is the type of player we desperatley need.
 
The Vic media love the easy way out.

Crows lower marks inside 50 = Tippett gone.

lets ignore the fact that we are playing differently and his indirect replacement in Jenkins is getting more of the ball and taking more marks.

The Vic media will take any chance to stick the knife in. Right now we are playing shit footy and making it easy for them.

But your right though. Jenkins has been superb so far. Completely blown away with how well he's doing. I can't wait to see how he goes when our midfield is actually functioning.
 
The Vic media will take any chance to stick the knife in. Right now we are playing shit footy and making it easy for them.

But your right though. Jenkins has been superb so far. Completely blown away with how well he's doing. I can't wait to see how he goes when our midfield is actually functioning.
It must irritate the shit our of him to hear Tippets name when he is doing his job so well.

but as you said, if and when we start winning, no one is going to notice.
 
As DABM said - we definitely miss Tips. I said during the offseason it was that contest on the wing we were going to be burnt on the most - not necessarily his presence inside 50. His ability to nufflify that contest to a boundary stoppage - if not clunk a grab - was key in allowing us to reset, win the clearance and then be inside 50.

We miss Tippet - but I also agree Jenkins is doing a fantastic job.

What we need is an extra tall, like LJ, to provide anther deep - or lead up option. Tex winning the ball at 5o to 70 out and turning to lace out to LJ would be very very damaging. Jenkins floating up to the wings to contest, and or playing deep, and or beating his man back into space will provide the rest of the structure.
 
Really good segment on us on Insider tonight.

Contested possessions, gone from No 1 in 2012 to No 10
Clearances gone from No 1 to No 10

Tackles 17th last year, 17th this year.

Key players Dangerfield, Jacobs, Sloane all slightly down on last year's figures.

Gone significantly backwards in marks inside 50. They mentioned no Tippett and also our lack of forward line options outside of Walker.

Also gone backwards with goals from turnovers. Were No 1 last year, now middle of the pack.
I though JJ has marked around the same as Tippett.

IMO, it is the non-tall forwards whose output is down this year.
 

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