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Russell to step away at season’s end
Andrew Russell will step away from football at the conclusion of the 2024 AFL season.
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I think I have been consistent in my views, regarding all aspects of the club and how i see the game, and leave the contradictions to others
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You kept spouting this line about "I don't care if Russell is there or not" meanwhile attacking anyone who said he should be gone and coming up with ever excuse under the sun for him. You're still doing it even after he's long gone. You cannot own up to your own position and you obviously can't stand to be wrong.
Show me where I have attacked a poster for wanting Russell gone?
I don't deal in excuses
Doing what?
What exactly am I wrong about?
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While I don't doubt that he had a negative impact in terms of soft tissue injuries - and related mishaps as a result of that strain - because he refused to dial back the loading for running, I don't think Martin has ever genuinely performed at a high level when racking up a decent number of games in a season.
Body was never durable. Marchbank had huge issues at GWS as well.
Nah, I think I’m pretty close for a guess
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Only played 20 games+ 2 out of 11 years in total.
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I believe many who backflipped on Russell throughout his time were trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, given his reputation and clear likability at the club. Crippa and others have gone out of their way to show their appreciation of his contributions. I know this is certainly the case for me.
There's also the understanding that there's no singular reason to our injury problems.
We've identified many over recent years. There's likely some we haven't even taken into consideration.
1. Andy Russell himself
2. The medical department
3. The recruiting of clear "red flag" players
4. The questionable conditions of IKON Park -- original surfacing, the resurfacing and development, etc.
5. The condition of playing on top of the MARVEL stadium carpark.
6. Being essentially a co-tenant of both the MCG and MARVEL which means we're constantly flipping between training at IKON Park and playing a predominant number of games at two different stadiums on top of interstate travel. At least (most of) the interstate clubs play all of their home games at the one venue.
Not all of those issues are HP-related. There are some that HP has a hand in or should have a hand in that you can apportion some of the impact and responsibility to HP.
I think as a board we're a generally fair and logical collective (when our emotions don't get the better of us).
It's simply not a one case fits all issue so it's not necessarily "backflipping."
There's also the understanding that there's no singular reason to our injury problems.
We've identified many over recent years. There's likely some we haven't even taken into consideration.
1. Andy Russell himself
2. The medical department
3. The recruiting of clear "red flag" players
4. The questionable conditions of IKON Park -- original surfacing, the resurfacing and development, etc.
5. The condition of playing on top of the MARVEL stadium carpark.
6. Being essentially a co-tenant of both the MCG and MARVEL which means we're constantly flipping between training at IKON Park and playing a predominant number of games at two different stadiums on top of interstate travel. At least (most of) the interstate clubs play all of their home games at the one venue.
Not all of those issues are HP-related. There are some that HP has a hand in or should have a hand in that you can apportion some of the impact and responsibility to HP.
I think as a board we're a generally fair and logical collective (when our emotions don't get the better of us).
It's simply not a one case fits all issue so it's not necessarily "backflipping."
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Russell cops it either way.
He was both too cutting edge/experimental & too stuck in his ways.
People looking for a fall guy will always find one.
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I don't think that's fair.
He was a senior leader in the club. Reportedly a massive financial signing and a large part of our soft cap allocation. This arguably impacted our budget for assistant coaching staff. When you absorb that much cap space there are high expectations.
I'd been a critic for a while, but I took my foot off when we had a strong 2nd half of 2023. The challenge I had on here is that Russell supporters were always willing to attribute injuries to bad luck, but lack of injuries was always just good management.
The reality of that situation was that neither was 100% within his control, but his cost vs performance was always worthy of criticism/scepticism.
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Speculation is just speculation - when supported by change it just morphs into a different sort of speculation. Unless you really know - you don't. Simple as that.
My view is that very few senior managers should stay at one place of work for more than 4 years max. The only employees in my business that have been around for longer are equity owners - which means they have real skin in the game if I lose they lose and if they lose to often - even they get bought out and sent away to different pastures.
Football Clubs arent businesses though - the only skin in the game for management is their salary - they would be wise to be looking for greener pastures within sensible time frames - if they do it right they leave with enhanced reputation - a win win - if they do it wrong they find it difficult to find a new home.
I listened to Russell's interview - not impressed with his tone - I think he fell into the category of enjoying a nice feed for a tad too long - that is as much the fault of the Club as his - probably more so. It seems that he was employed as much for player management as fitness - which is weird but may have been approrpriate at the time of his appointment - remember we had Bolton and then Teague - both totally out of their depth coaches and perhaps Russell was part of an old hand team at Carlton filling in gaps or trying to - who knows- and I certainly dont , but management and coaching has changed since those days and perhaps Russell's original remitt also changed and morhped - these things are never easy to implement successfully.
As foir injury management - I think that there are too many variables in the equation to point the finegr at one person - removing the perennially injured is a good start to allowoing the next phase of list development - I dont think that process has finished just yet.
I suspect that Carlton has now moved to a different preference set for management responsibility and that the new head of fitness is responsible for - just head of fitness.
As for care factor- my personal care factor re this management shuffle / change is close to zero. Ultimately - the team's performance is as good as the list and what the coaching team can orchestrate around the strengths and weaknesses of that list. I dont think anyone can fix a broken back or permanantly damged hamstrings and calves - there are no miracle workers -just hard work and blind luck.
Big year coming up for Voss and his coaching team and quite a few players.
My view is that very few senior managers should stay at one place of work for more than 4 years max. The only employees in my business that have been around for longer are equity owners - which means they have real skin in the game if I lose they lose and if they lose to often - even they get bought out and sent away to different pastures.
Football Clubs arent businesses though - the only skin in the game for management is their salary - they would be wise to be looking for greener pastures within sensible time frames - if they do it right they leave with enhanced reputation - a win win - if they do it wrong they find it difficult to find a new home.
I listened to Russell's interview - not impressed with his tone - I think he fell into the category of enjoying a nice feed for a tad too long - that is as much the fault of the Club as his - probably more so. It seems that he was employed as much for player management as fitness - which is weird but may have been approrpriate at the time of his appointment - remember we had Bolton and then Teague - both totally out of their depth coaches and perhaps Russell was part of an old hand team at Carlton filling in gaps or trying to - who knows- and I certainly dont , but management and coaching has changed since those days and perhaps Russell's original remitt also changed and morhped - these things are never easy to implement successfully.
As foir injury management - I think that there are too many variables in the equation to point the finegr at one person - removing the perennially injured is a good start to allowoing the next phase of list development - I dont think that process has finished just yet.
I suspect that Carlton has now moved to a different preference set for management responsibility and that the new head of fitness is responsible for - just head of fitness.
As for care factor- my personal care factor re this management shuffle / change is close to zero. Ultimately - the team's performance is as good as the list and what the coaching team can orchestrate around the strengths and weaknesses of that list. I dont think anyone can fix a broken back or permanantly damged hamstrings and calves - there are no miracle workers -just hard work and blind luck.
Big year coming up for Voss and his coaching team and quite a few players.
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If we get through Jan without one of our key players ripping their calf almost off the bone I'll be happy.
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I think a fit:
Cerra, Walsh, TDK, Saad, Fogarty, Cottrell, Durdin and Motlop not to mention Jack and Docjherty might make a bit of difference. Who knows maybe Smith/ E.Holands and O Hollands as well as Boyd options might be a positive as well. Maybe Haynes experience tidies up some loose stuff in defense and we dont have to suffer Young too often.
oh yeh this bloke called Charlie might be useful and I'd liek to see a bit of Moir in 2025.
Maybe teh VFl team make finals this year - it may actuallyu have a regular developing midfield and a fit coule of rucks to help...
We can all dream.
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Agreed. Cerra was clearly our best mid for the first half of 2023. He alone will make a huge difference if he can stay fit.
TDK, Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Jagga, Lord, Hewett - matches up with the best in the league for depth and talent. I'd argue it is the best midfield in the league. Just got to keep them on the park.
The dream!
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If Smith can be as good as a fit Walshy as a runner - that will add a lot to teh between the arcs game - hard to tag two elite runners.
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He reminds me so much of Walsh. I think it will take a very good player in excellent form to keep him out of our starting midfield this season. Let's not forget Walsh had 550 disposals year 1 as a very skinny 18 year old.
Unlike Walsh Jagga gets to join an already strong list. Rare that a top pick gets to join such a strong midfield. Will be interesting to see how he goes.
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Out of curiosity, what do you disagree with?
Out of curiosity, what do you disagree with?
It would be worthwhile to keep the interactions going
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It's the fun of bigfooty, taking in the different perspectives.
True and most do it, but there are a few that ruin it and stop discussion with personal agendas and attacks. Go back and look where any good discussions suddenly stop. It’s obvious. It’s why a lot of discussions now are through direct messaging
Completely agree, no one should shut down discussions, and this thread has ticked along at a decent rate
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Usual nonsense can't have reasoned debate about performance without someone inputting it's just a witch hunt / scape goating etc. Some might be but those inputs are always aimed at stopping discussion and at everyone involved. yawn
Discussion of the football club is interesting and why we are all here. Discussion of other posters and their opinions is pretty much pointless.
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Players thought he was nuts. Very few were sold on him from the very start.
Interestingly, club went out of their way to tell the players to talk him up more than usual in the media if questions were asked.
There is no 'fall guy' or 'scapegoat'. He might've been great at Hawthorn but was poor for our playing group, which is why he was sacked. It's literally the same scenario as when we got Buttifant.
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Plenty of conflicting opinion regarding Russell, even within the club
Gone now, so hopefully the focus changes to Inness and we have a better run of injuries to existing players
Gone now, so hopefully the focus changes to Inness and we have a better run of injuries to existing players
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