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I have no god.You didn’t even ask for that? Okay you keep to your rock god then.
(Chances are, neither do you.)
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I have no god.You didn’t even ask for that? Okay you keep to your rock god then.
Comedian Austen Tayshus, who is Jewish, used to say "Christians have the best iconography. Imagine walking into a church and there's a big effing electric chair up there on the wall."I’ve always wondered if Jesus had have been guillotined would it be ‘the power of the razor blade?’
Not saying that there haven't been Christians who have been intellectual in other fields but systematic Christianity relies on speculation and faith rather than intellect, especially the modern-day Pentecostal churches like Hillsong where you're encouraged to leave your brain at the door.I think Sir Isaac Newton might have had something to say about that.
They're not.I don't understand how the Catholic church and other churches are still eligible for tax free charity status when they aided and abetted paedophilia.
I have no god.
(Chances are, neither do you.)
We have gotten a little off track here.
We're talking about the EFC, not having a big theological debate. That's not the scope of this thread on this board.
Try the SRP for this type of discussion.
Thanks.
From a follower of one of the world’s most proselytising religions, that’s a breath of fresh air.Whatever floats your boat
100% I love what Bachar is doing. You just can’t have it one way for a white guy and one for a minority group because it’s more populist for the left controlled media.The thread TITLE blatantly mocks a person's membership of a 2000 year old religion for its traditional views on issues such as abortion and LGBTQI+.. while simultaneously banning discussing those views..including whether a biological male pretending to be a biological woman is actually a woman.. or even if we should ban the abortion of babies at any stage be it 15 weeks, 28 weeks.. or 35 weeks for that matter.
Such Courage. Such Tolerance. Such Diversity!
How about posting a thread of Bachar Houli saying "member of Homophobic religious extremist church appointed premiership cup ambassador?" Oh.. no.. that would he racist.
Put the thread title up if you like.. but have the debate about Thornburn, the Church, Abortion etc..otherwise this whole board is pointless.
Would agree but post will just be deleted so won't bother. This sort of common sense is hate speech.100% I love what Bachar is doing. You just can’t have it one way for a white guy and one for a minority group because it’s more populist for the left controlled media.
In Australia, one cannot claim tax deductions for donations made to religious organisations.They are.
"Income tax exemptionIn Australia, one cannot claim tax deductions for donations made to religious organisations.
Serious question, do you think believing in magic and gods because an old book written by peasants say so should not be ridiculed? Why?
If you had any such nonsensical belief that defied the basic laws of physics and nature you would be laughed at, but slap the label “religion” on it and suddenly it’s a reasonable thought process… hmm
Nah mate, because the ‘thought process’ is in Christianity -the longest surviving religion in the world, followed by the most people, and the ‘old book’ translated in more languages then any other book in the world. The thought process is worth more than just slapping a label on it.
You realise Judaism predates Christianity yeah?
Me too, but first I'll go blind.
That is because humans do not understand the knowledge of God, but when Jesus returns and the truth is revealed, they will mourn in agony for eternity.
It's kind of not in perfect synergy and order. I mean, we are all heading toward the heat death of the universe at some point in time. Everything tends toward decay, disorder and death - thanks, entropy.How can the universe be in such perfect synergy and order without a master behind it?
Certainly, the presence of an intellect and a consciousness is the most pressing argument for the existence of a higher being that I can find.Makes a lot more sense than dark matter and dark energy creating it, considering you can't detect it for a start. So apparently no body times nothing equals everything. Scientists can't prove the big bang theory, which is why its a theory. Why are humans so uniquely complex, set apart from all living things with a conscience, intellect and complex skill set.
I think you're misrepresenting the scientific understanding of the origins of the universe. There's plenty that scientists admit that we don't know - like, for example, why the Big Bang happened. But there is evidence that it did - such as the continued expansion of the universe to this day and heat radiation from the event.To believe in the Big Bang is to believe in chance, so if thats the case why do humans bother forming government, making decisions, creating hierachies, order on the streets. The reality is every effect occurs by some cause, not chance.
Chance has been transformed by athiests into a force of causal power. The world and everything in it was the cause of numerous random events. Nothing is the cause of everything? How irrational? How chaotic? How looney? I wonder when the next random event will take place, since that's apparently how it started? A random event which will be less random than before, when nothing became everything. So then we can presume the world will experience something soon when something becomes something completely different. Or maybe something becomes nothing again? How bizarre, how absurd, purely illogical and ridiculous!
Why does the Big Bang and the existence of God have to be mutually exclusive? There's pretty ample evidence that the Bible's record of the creation of the universe is incorrect, FWIW.It is actually more scientific that God created the universe than that of the big bang theory. The bible actually has a record of how the world came about.
Which raises the question: what created God? I don't doubt that science hasn't solved the mystery of where did everything come from; it will probably never solve that mystery. But that doesn't mean that the Bible has the answer either.Then there is the 5 scientific ideas of time, space, force, action and matter which were only suggested 200 years ago. If these scientific terms were eternal before the big bang, then how were things so chaotic causing a big bang? The first verse of the bible, Genesis 1:1 accounts for all 5. "In the beginning (time), God (force), created (action), the heavens (space) and the earth (matter). And this was written well before the 19th century when scientists suggested these 5 ideas for causing everything. Scientists cannot pinpoint the actual origin of everything. The bible does in one verse. It accounts for the ultimate origin of matter, space, time.
Absolutely, you have the right to believe in God and I think that's a fine thing. But I do think that the idea that "nothing makes sense or has any purpose" if you don't believe is bit arrogant - plenty of atheists and agnostics make their own purpose in the world, even if they believe its creation to be without intention.Therefore, each person who reads this first verse has a choice to make based on the evidence in front of them, the world you live in. Either you believe God did create everything or you believe he didn't. If he didn't you believe he doesn't exist, nothing makes any sense or has any purpose. If God was a creative intelligence who created the world, then creation is logical and understandable. It is rational and plausible.
Agreed in part, though I disagree with the notion that the world is all that orderly. In some sense, I'm much more comfortable with no real sense being made of anything - it far better answers questions like why there is such cruel suffering in the world.So either the array of complex organisms and intelligence we observe reflect the wisdom and power of a personal creator, or all these orderly systems somehow evolved randomly and chaotically from dead matter, and this dead matter evolved from unproven matter, and no real sense can be made of anything.
I don't even think Christianity would even crack the top 10.
The Eastern beliefs of Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Confucian, Taoist and Shinto would predate Christianity.
Was reading a book by Richard Dawkins many moons ago. In one chapter he described a regular dinner party he and a number of both religious and non-religious people would attend. At one particular party one of the fairly senior religious types was mocking the natives of a number of south pacific islands for their beleif in the "gods of cargo" during WWII. Was fairly amusing to see someone who believed in a fairy tale mocking others for doing so.
But when I look at the sunrise, I can see God in all he createdAlso GOTHELIONS16 denying the Big Bang is about as dumb as denying evolution.
We can literally see the Big Bang, it’s a fact, do some basic research.
The true answer to the big bang is: we don't know.Also GOTHELIONS16 denying the Big Bang is about as dumb as denying evolution.
We can literally see the Big Bang, it’s a fact, do some basic research.
The true answer to the big bang is: we don't know.
Please do not pretend it's as scandalous as denying evolution.
Wait how did you arrive at that conclusion?The bible states "The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. The sun like a strong man, runs its course. It's rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them, and there is nothing hidden from its heat.
SO the bible tells us the Sun runs a course, the orbit dragging our solar system around the Milky Way. The sun is on a course to go through the heavens in a massive orbit.