Another trade hypothetical.

[Jeremias]

I've identified Stevens as a player that I believe Carlton should target come the trade period as he is a talented kid that has not been afforded many opportunities at senior level, for whatever reason.

Garlett has developed into one of the best small forwards in the competition. He's still young and has plenty of development in him. Super talented and having an outstanding season. His form may have dropped slightly over the past 2-3 weeks but his name would not look completely out of place in the AA side for 2011.

Therefore it goes without really saying that a straight swap between the two would not be anywhere near a sufficient outcome for Carlton. West Coast would quite clearly take that exchange, without a 2nd thought. Add a first round pick along with Stevens, and it still would not be sufficient. Add Mitch Brown, and at the risk of sounding repetitive, that may not be sufficient either - although it would certainly be closer to the mark.

I do like Stevens but let's not overestimate him, nor should we underestimate what Garlett has achieved.

As for the West Coast supporter who is trying to stick the boots into Robinson - don't bother. You have clearly shown your lack of understanding with regards to the Blues. Robinson is clearly in our top 10 most important players, and you are either trolling or a complete moron if you honestly believe that Stevens would displace him in Carlton's lineup if he did join the Blues.

 

[NAUGHT5]

It's rather pointless speculating.

If Jeff wants to leave then we will lose most power and the Eagles will rape us.
If Jeff wants to stay we will probably never trade him unless the Eagles are willing to be r*ped.

 

[marleyblue]

I'd suggest Mitch brown and our first rounder for garlett and your second round pick. Doubt it will happen though as The eagles rarely trade...[/quote]


At last we have an eagles supporter with a suggestion that at least takes into account Carlton's needs - that said, the club would not contemplate trading Jeffy unless he requested a trade (and then I would back the club to convince him to stay)

 

[Chris25]

I'm not a big fan of having to do work as a mod. This thread forced me to. Leave the abuse out of it or you wont be back on this board for a while.

 

[Salaryman]

I'm not a big fan of having to do work as a mod. This thread forced me to. Leave the abuse out of it or you wont be back on this board for a while.

Sounds like a typical bf mod

 

[Galileo9]

stevens would be playing regularly if it wasnt for one M. Priddis. simple as that. pure inside grunt with a huge body and serious aggression. Priddis is elite at stoppages and not to mention extremely durable.

not sure which team he would suit the most but has to be one that requires inside midifielders. maybe melb. would snap in half most of the boys over there during first training session. show them what head over the ball means.

would be sad to see him go but would understand why.

has the best posture i have ever seen.

 

[bladey33]

stevens would be playing regularly if it wasnt for one M. Priddis. simple as that. pure inside grunt with a huge body and serious aggression. Priddis is elite at stoppages and not to mention extremely durable.

not sure which team he would suit the most but has to be one that requires inside midifielders. maybe melb. would snap in half most of the boys over there during first training session. show them what head over the ball means.

would be sad to see him go but would understand why.

has the best posture i have ever seen.

so stevens cant get a game cos of priddis, how will he get a game at carlton with judd murphy gibbs simpson scotland all a head of him and all almost ahead of priddis. if he cant do a shut down role there's not much point, as army aj and carrazzo would be ahead of him in that area, and least not forget carlton also have mclean lucas curnow and collins for back up/ depth. it seems to me all you wce guys talk about your depth and how these blokes would be getting a game at another club. the only other club they were\could get a game was yours last year when you were sitting on the bottom of the ladder!!!!!!! if you want something you have to give up something. straight swap garlett for shuey or gaff

 

[Donstuie]

Garlett for Priddis would be more equitable (but still wouldn't happen unless Jeff wanted out), and then this gun Stephens can get into WC's midfield.

And for those that keep bringing up the Jacobs trade, I urge you to ask any Crows supporters out there what they think he's worth to them NOW and what they'd want in a trade for him.

 

[Galileo9]

so stevens cant get a game cos of priddis, how will he get a game at carlton with judd murphy gibbs simpson scotland all a head of him and all almost ahead of priddis. if he cant do a shut down role there's not much point, as army aj and carrazzo would be ahead of him in that area, and least not forget carlton also have mclean lucas curnow and collins for back up/ depth. it seems to me all you wce guys talk about your depth and how these blokes would be getting a game at another club. the only other club they were\could get a game was yours last year when you were sitting on the bottom of the ladder!!!!!!! if you want something you have to give up something. straight swap garlett for shuey or gaff

s selwood, shuey, kerr and priddis are ahead of him for the inside role at wce. kerr and shuey offer a little x-factor so bit hard to replace them. s selwood is a no.1 tackler in AFL. these guys are elite in their positions. you need more than 2 players who can do this well. thats why we killed you in contested posession last time we played. we only have to shut down two players.

then probably ebert is preferred as he is a good clearance player and can play in multiple positions hence why he gets a game. thats taking aside eberts kicking for the moment.

carlton has 2xdominant inside players, murphy and judd. stevens is an upgrade for carlton in this area when considering everyone else. whilst robinson is a better overall player, stevens gets his hands on the ball at stoppages better in my opinion.

i believe Murphy plays alot in the high forward role which is a hard role to find someone who can play well (for us, cousins did that). and he does that very well so i'm sure ratts would love to use him like that alot more when needed. stevens offers that release. even judd. he would release judd and if you dont rememer what judd can do as an outside player, look at 05 and 06 GF's. thats not to say judd and murphy wouldnt play inside, but its all about flexibility.

Gibbs doesnt play inside and neither does everyone else you named. next time, have a bit of a think about structure and positional ability before you rattle off names. love it when people do that, as though only giving names makes a point.

all making sense now aint it...stevens would be playing now at wce if there was no priddis, its guaranteed. trust me, no wce fan wants stevens traded out, but we do understand if he wanted out due to the amount of players we have that can play in his spot. but thats it.

i for one am with calton and dont think him for Garlett is a fair trade to carlton. of course not. but as carlton fans very well know, once a player wants to leave, bargaining power drops. but stevens fits a need. not sure why people are knocking him, especially those that havent seen him play. the boy can play and you will never have to worry about intensity when it comes to him.

 

[Kramer1]

s selwood, shuey, kerr and priddis are ahead of him for the inside role at wce. kerr and shuey offer a little x-factor so bit hard to replace them. s selwood is a no.1 tackler in AFL. these guys are elite in their positions. you need more than 2 players who can do this well. thats why we killed you in contested posession last time we played. we only have to shut down two players.

then probably ebert is preferred as he is a good clearance player and can play in multiple positions hence why he gets a game. thats taking aside eberts kicking for the moment.

carlton has 2xdominant inside players, murphy and judd. stevens is an upgrade for carlton in this area when considering everyone else. whilst robinson is a better overall player, stevens gets his hands on the ball at stoppages better in my opinion.

i believe Murphy plays alot in the high forward role which is a hard role to find someone who can play well (for us, cousins did that). and he does that very well so i'm sure ratts would love to use him like that alot more when needed. stevens offers that release. even judd. he would release judd and if you dont rememer what judd can do as an outside player, look at 05 and 06 GF's. thats not to say judd and murphy wouldnt play inside, but its all about flexibility.

Gibbs doesnt play inside and neither does everyone else you named. next time, have a bit of a think about structure and positional ability before you rattle off names. love it when people do that, as though only giving names makes a point.

all making sense now aint it...stevens would be playing now at wce if there was no priddis, its guaranteed. trust me, no wce fan wants stevens traded out, but we do understand if he wanted out due to the amount of players we have that can play in his spot. but thats it.

i for one am with calton and dont think him for Garlett is a fair trade to carlton. of course not. but as carlton fans very well know, once a player wants to leave, bargaining power drops. but stevens fits a need. not sure why people are knocking him, especially those that havent seen him play. the boy can play and you will never have to worry about intensity when it comes to him.

All those paragrahps for that??? Stevens would be playing if there weren't better players ahead of him. What a revelation...

He'd be a long way back at Carlton...just like our inside mid who kills it at VFL level is a long way back at Carlton.

 

[WALL-e]

I'm happy to card on your behalf Chris. I enjoy it. Anyone want to suggest some Walker or Dangerfield trades?

 

[mac25]

s selwood, shuey, kerr and priddis are ahead of him for the inside role at wce. kerr and shuey offer a little x-factor so bit hard to replace them. s selwood is a no.1 tackler in AFL. these guys are elite in their positions. you need more than 2 players who can do this well. thats why we killed you in contested posession last time we played. we only have to shut down two players.

then probably ebert is preferred as he is a good clearance player and can play in multiple positions hence why he gets a game. thats taking aside eberts kicking for the moment.

carlton has 2xdominant inside players, murphy and judd. stevens is an upgrade for carlton in this area when considering everyone else. whilst robinson is a better overall player, stevens gets his hands on the ball at stoppages better in my opinion.

i believe Murphy plays alot in the high forward role which is a hard role to find someone who can play well (for us, cousins did that). and he does that very well so i'm sure ratts would love to use him like that alot more when needed. stevens offers that release. even judd. he would release judd and if you dont rememer what judd can do as an outside player, look at 05 and 06 GF's. thats not to say judd and murphy wouldnt play inside, but its all about flexibility.

Gibbs doesnt play inside and neither does everyone else you named. next time, have a bit of a think about structure and positional ability before you rattle off names. love it when people do that, as though only giving names makes a point.

all making sense now aint it...stevens would be playing now at wce if there was no priddis, its guaranteed. trust me, no wce fan wants stevens traded out, but we do understand if he wanted out due to the amount of players we have that can play in his spot. but thats it.

i for one am with calton and dont think him for Garlett is a fair trade to carlton. of course not. but as carlton fans very well know, once a player wants to leave, bargaining power drops. but stevens fits a need. not sure why people are knocking him, especially those that havent seen him play. the boy can play and you will never have to worry about intensity when it comes to him.

The fact is Gartlett is under contract till end 2012, so in terms of bargaining power, all the bargaining power is with Carlton so unless Gartlett really wanted out which l doubt, another club would have to offer something exceptional otherwise this thread is completely meaningless.

 

[smashbox gill]

Garlett, Yarran, Betts and Walker have a very strong bond at Carlton, and i see all being very happy atm and none will leave. You can just see it when they play that they are always looking out for each other and when one scores a goal the others are always the first to run up to them.

Carlton would not offer any up for trade and thus nothing will happen.

 

[4thchicken]

I've offered up Wilson on top of Stevens. They could put him to good use by being a walk up start for the FF role. Carlton fans for the most part have rejected this. Fair enough, that's their opinion.
Considering that Henderson is looking a better KPB than a KPF, Wilson is ready made, with a big, mature body to step right in. Most WC fans wanted Wilson as the first choice FF at the season's beginning. Woosh stuck with Lynch in a KPF role.
Wilson would be better at the role than Walker. Who knows whether Waite can stay fit. Wilson is a legitimate option.

WC's youngsters in the back line have developed very well. There's no chance that WC would trade MacKenzie, Schofield or Brown. 2 are best 22, but 1 misses out and plays intermittently till Glass retires. That's not too far away. Trading 1 wipes out WC's depth in this area.

Kennedy wouldn't go back to Carlton and would be considered untradeable. Darling would likely be viewed as untradeable. Lynch is out of contract, but is weighing up whether to head to the States to be an NFL punter. Though, he'll likely re-sign with the Eagles.
Lynch, perhaps, for the right price. Would be happy to keep him, though. He has been good this year.

So in otherwords, you want to trade for one of the top forward pockets prospects in the league (combination of age + performance to date + potential to improve) and in return will offer up a couple of fringe players that to date, have shown nothing and are no guarantees to make it...

If you want garlett, then you will have to give up something substantial - not WC offcuts that cant make the grade.

 

[4thchicken]

The hypothetical trade was based on the assumption that Garlett was homesick.

OP didn't manufacture the rumour, it is well known that Garlett is getting married in WA this year. He didn't weigh into the validity of the rumour either, hence the name 'another trade hypothetical'.

If Garlett was homesick (which I personally doubt very much) then it's fair to suggest Carlton wouldn't have the upper hand in negotiations much the same as West Coast didn't when Judd nominated Carlton.

Homesick doesnt mean a player loses all trade value. Going by the WC fans' reasoning, we should have offered up austin + pick 20 when Judd wanted to come back to melbourne...

 

[4thchicken]

Stevens and Armfield currently may perhaps be worth the same. I doubt that would hold true if it came to an actual trade. Once potential is factored in, the values just wouldn't be equal.
If a top 10 pick only played a few AFL games, but spent the rest of his time stuck lower in the club's pecking order while developing and waiting for an opportunity and therefore biding his time in the state league, does that mean he has just as much trade value as an average player? Just as in this instance, potential would play a part in value.

Stevens wasnt a top 10 pick - he was pick 22. A top 10 mid would probably have entrenched themselves into the starting 22 in a wooden spoon side...

Furthermore, garlett has just as much potential (if not more given his size) to improve when compared to stevens

 

[Jell]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...three-more-years/story-e6frf9jf-1226122327437

Clearly Jeff is quite happy playing the in the Navy Blue. Wasn't even out of contract and signed up for a further 3 years.

 

[Blueboys7]

But...but...he's homesick...he's getting married...he's from Perth...

Rumour mill fails again.

 

[the distributer]

How about Carlton just Give you Garlett out of the goodness of their heart? as a wedding present perhaps lol, when i opened this thread i thought it must of been a bump, you WC guys want the blues first round draft pick too? murphy perhaps?

 

[Wickzki]

But...but...he's homesick...he's getting married...he's from Perth...

Rumour mill fails again.

Perhaps if they plead really, really nicely they can get Leon Davis from Collingwood.

 

[Nerv_01]

How about we re-draft Cain Ackland and we'll trade him to you for Andrew Gaff?

Don't like that one well how about Mark Austin for Nick Naitanui + Your first round pick?