Anthony Albanese - How long? -3-

[Bloods86]

Albanese does something poor - bang, a point for the “RWNJs”.
Dutton does something poor, bang, a point for the “leftys”.
The only impartial people are the ones who are able to come on here and complain about both. And there’s not many.

So just ignoring that those on the left here also complain about Albo?

The thing that people keep being told and keep failing to understand, or perhaps it's just inconvenient, is that you can find fault with a politician/party but still think they are better than feasible alternatives. Without any defence of said politician/party, especially in comparison to the alternatives, being taken as devotion or worship.

I'd agree that there doesn't really seem to be Dutton worship on this thread at least, one or two of the more over the top posters have gone quiet, though there was some pretty cultish (can do no wrong, blind faith) posting on the Trump thread before the election.

 

[adogsfan5]

With all due respect, the poster came on here yesterday, made a few unsupported claims, barracked for Dutton, and accused anyone who disagreed as “worshipping Labor”despite repeatedly having a far realistic nuance shown to them. Perfect example of Johnny B’s point.

(And then they failed to provide any support for their argument that Dutton was a superior choice other than that he’s leading in some polls and that he was an ex-cop.

And then when people took the time and trouble to pen a measured reply, flicked them off with the Laugh emoji.

Eff ‘em.)

It’s some of the most ridiculous posting I’ve seen.
But One example doesn’t paint the picture for this forum, let alone the country when it comes to politics.
Target the poster, don’t make it broader.

 

[Sinjin Smith]

You won the nbn lottery. Congrats! Not me. I'm on 4g, others on satellite in my street.

Out of interest do you live in a regional area? My Dad had satellite on his previous farm and he actually got pretty decent speeds. Better than some fttn residence's.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

So just ignoring that those on the left here also complain about Albo?

The thing that people keep being told and keep failing to understand, or perhaps it's just inconvenient, is that you can find fault with a politician/party but still think they are better than feasible alternatives. Without any defence of said politician/party, especially in comparison to the alternatives, being taken as devotion or worship.

I'd agree that there doesn't really seem to be Dutton worship on this thread at least, one or two of the more over the top posters have gone quiet, though there was some pretty cultish (can do no wrong, blind faith) posting on the Trump thread before the election.

For me the most unforgivable sin is to display no grasp of nuance. I have zero time for that sort of discussion.

I do my barracking for the Swans, not for the people who potentially shape the future society I am going to live in.

(Cue Laugh emoji from old mate.)

 

[Festerz]

For those wanting to understand the reasons why the Albanese Government is likely to lose government or come close to it in the upcoming Federal election, despite an Opposition which is (apart from the nuclear energy plan) largely bereft of policy alternatives I strongly recommend this short podcast from Mark Kenny.

In it he talks about global rise of populism and the movement against incumbent governments, fuelled by post-pandemic economic struggles and rising distrust in democratic institutions and the potential long-term implications for democratic stability if current trends continue.

 

[peetoo]

For those wanting to understand the reasons why the Albanese Government is likely to lose government or come close to it in the upcoming Federal election, despite an Opposition which is (apart from the nuclear energy plan) largely bereft of policy alternatives I strongly recommend this short podcast from Mark Kenny.

In it he talks about global rise of populism and the movement against incumbent governments, fuelled by post-pandemic economic struggles and rising distrust in democratic institutions and the potential long-term implications for democratic stability if current trends continue.

Without reading, how many of the claimed 60 elections showed a big move to the right?

I only know of qld which went moderate to moderate, and Uk where the right vote split returning a centre left govt

Oh and the US where a former president won again but all US parties are right wing

 

[adogsfan5]

So just ignoring that those on the left here also complain about Albo?

The thing that people keep being told and keep failing to understand, or perhaps it's just inconvenient, is that you can find fault with a politician/party but still think they are better than feasible alternatives. Without any defence of said politician/party, especially in comparison to the alternatives, being taken as devotion or worship.

I'd agree that there doesn't really seem to be Dutton worship on this thread at least, one or two of the more over the top posters have gone quiet, though there was some pretty cultish (can do no wrong, blind faith) posting on the Trump thread before the election.

I’m not ignoring anything. I have said, those who are impartial are able to criticise both. And there’s also nothing wrong with criticising a politician whilst still thinking they are better than the alternative. You are one of them, but sorry, there aren’t many like you who are impartial.
You can’t deny, there is an incredible amount of point scoring and bias on this forum.

I don’t think anyone in Australia on this forum has a “cultish” bias towards Trump. Why would they?
I think it’s just point scoring, wanting to be “right”, wanting to “win arguments” and wanting to “stick it” to those that they usually disagree with on this forum.
The hardest thing to do on here is to admit you’re wrong and the most enjoyable is to be right.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Nobody in Australia “worships” trump or Dutton. They just don’t like who the opposition is and it then turns into political point scoring on this forum.

I think plenty do, especially Trump. Otherwise they wouldn't accuse anyone to their left of being in love with Biden or Albo.

Albanese does something poor - bang, a point for the “RWNJs”.
Dutton does something poor, bang, a point for the “leftys”.
The only impartial people are the ones who are able to come on here and complain about both. And there’s not many.

What makes you think those people are impartial? I complain about both Albo and Dutton and I don't claim to be impartial in any way. I hate Dutton far more because he's a racist who wants to sabotage the renewable energy transition by plowing untold billions into nuclear.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

For those wanting to understand the reasons why the Albanese Government is likely to lose government or come close to it in the upcoming Federal election, despite an Opposition which is (apart from the nuclear energy plan) largely bereft of policy alternatives I strongly recommend this short podcast from Mark Kenny.

In it he talks about global rise of populism and the movement against incumbent governments, fuelled by post-pandemic economic struggles and rising distrust in democratic institutions and the potential long-term implications for democratic stability if current trends continue.

It does appear we have reached a critical mas of mostly working class people who are angry, fed up and disillusioned at the system screwing them and leaving them behind are are taking it out on whoever is in power.

Good luck with any progressive movements while that is going on.

 

[adogsfan5]

I think plenty do, especially Trump. Otherwise they wouldn't accuse anyone to their left of being in love with Biden or Albo.


What makes you think those people are impartial? I complain about both Albo and Dutton and I don't claim to be impartial in any way. I hate Dutton far more because he's a racist who wants to sabotage the renewable energy transition by plowing untold billions into nuclear.

Why would they worship Trump in Australia, on an AFL forum? What would be their reason for that?

They accuse others for being “in love” with Biden and Albo because they want to “stick it to them” and score points. Which is the bulk of this area of the forum.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Without reading, how many of the claimed 60 elections showed a big move to the right?

I only know of qld which went moderate to moderate, and Uk where the right vote split returning a centre left govt

Oh and the US where a former president won again but all US parties are right wing

Last year, France went to both left and right, Mexico stayed left, Brazil went left, Lithuania went left, South Korea went left, Thailand went left (but got screwed by the establishment), Sri Lanka went left and Senegal went left. The move to the right is mostly in wealthy white countries.

 

[Bloods86]

I’m not ignoring anything. I have said, those who are impartial are able to criticise both. And there’s also nothing wrong with criticising a politician whilst still thinking they are better than the alternative. You are one of them, but sorry, there aren’t many like you who are impartial.
You can’t deny, there is an incredible amount of point scoring and bias on this forum.

I don’t think anyone in Australia on this forum has a “cultish” bias towards Trump. Why would they?
I think it’s just point scoring, wanting to be “right”, wanting to “win arguments” and wanting to “stick it” to those that they usually disagree with on this forum.
The hardest thing to do on here is to admit you’re wrong and the most enjoyable is to be right.

There are plenty on here who criticise Albo, I'd say most left leaning posters that I've seen. But they often do it from his left flank, so when you have people coming in and levelling poor arguments at him from a more right-wing perspective (or just parroting a conservative talking point), of course people are going to defend or explain at least some of what Labor has done to be better than the alternative.

That then gets labelled as blanket devotion by some.

 

[kalex6251]

That then gets labelled as blanket devotion by some.

you may even get passive aggressively called 'bud' for good measure

 

[faible]

Why would they worship Trump in Australia, on an AFL forum? What would be their reason for that?

Mostly stupidity. IMO.

 

[Gough]

Why would they worship Trump in Australia, on an AFL forum? What would be their reason for that?

They accuse others for being “in love” with Biden and Albo because they want to “stick it to them” and score points. Which is the bulk of this area of the forum.

To even support Trump you're sacrificing every standard that you'd hold any other person to. You can see why it can be viewed as cultish.

 

[adogsfan5]

There are plenty on here who criticise Albo, I'd say most left leaning posters that I've seen. But they often do it from his left flank, so when you have people coming in and levelling poor arguments at him from a more right-wing perspective (or just parroting a conservative talking point), of course people are going to defend or explain at least some of what Labor has done to be better than the alternative.

That then gets labelled as blanket devotion by some.

Well that’s not really fair, so yes I agree that does occur. When you’ve been on here as long as I have, you start to work out who are the one eyed supporters, who aren’t and what is and what isn’t blanket devotion.

 

[Deliverance]

Out of interest do you live in a regional area? My Dad had satellite on his previous farm and he actually got pretty decent speeds. Better than some fttn residence's.

No, south-east melbourne

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Why would they worship Trump in Australia, on an AFL forum? What would be their reason for that?

That’s the question a lot of us want the answer to, and it’s often been asked on the Trump threads (to less than satisfactory resolution), but there’s no denying there’s a small but hard core on the actual Trump threads who are the very definition of barrackers.

 

[adogsfan5]

That’s the question a lot of us want the answer to, and it’s often been asked on the Trump threads (to less than satisfactory resolution), but there’s no denying there’s a small but hard core on the actual Trump threads who are the very definition of barrackers.

It’s turned into a very broad definition mate

I personally don’t see any real genuine connection there, other than wanting to sink the boots into posters they don’t like/ don’t agree with.
If Harris had won, do you think they would have gone back to post why it’s a bad move and the reasons why her win will be a worse result for America?
I don’t.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

If Harris had won, do you think they would have gone back to post why it’s a bad move and the reasons why her win will be a worse result for America?
I don’t.

I do. Oh well, each to their own.

 

[Bloods86]

I do. Oh well, each to their own.

They couldn't really do that before the election (at least out of the 2 alternatives), so I had little expectation they would afterwards if it had gone differently.

Similarly here, the arguments against Albo from his right flank don't hold much/any weight, or at least haven't been articulated in any way that shows Labor has the lion's share of blame / why the alternative would be better.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Have you received your $275 off your power bill that your esteemed leader promised before the last election?

Yep, and if you any brains you would realise your probably better off too if you knew how the process works.

 

[CM86]

When you’ve been on here as long as I have, you start to work out who are the one eyed supporters, who aren’t and what is and what isn’t blanket devotion.

Three questions on this then.

1. Who is a single poster on SRP who is incapable of criticising or calling out Albo, Wong, Dreyfus, the ALP?
2. In all honesty, who from 'the left side' would you consider to be as ridiculous or more ridiculous than the Jane Doe, demon09 posters?
3. Which 'side' would you more often expect to see unhinged support/attacks from?

 

[nut]

Three questions on this then.

1. Who is a single poster on SRP who is incapable of criticising or calling out Albo, Wong, Dreyfus, the ALP?
2. In all honesty, who from 'the left side' would you consider to be as ridiculous or more ridiculous than the Jane Doe, demon09 posters?
3. Which 'side' would you more often expect to see unhinged support/attacks from?

Did you leave out Xtreme to trigger him deliberately?

 

[Gethelred]

How?
We are in the digital age. Its basically impossible to remove media you don't like unless you want to use North Korea as the benchmark.
You are wishing for something that cannot possibly happen in a democratic country.

I'd imagine that, in around 1857, there would be any number of Brits who would've been absolutely convinced - to the point of believing that the sun rising was an equvalent - that the British East India Company would last forever as well.

All things end, MP. Just ask old Ozymandias.