Anzac Gallipoli gatherings misguided, Keating says

[Bumble Bee]

Perhaps not, but it’s ..blah blah blah

So the dumbing down suggests that the Royal Navy never constructed enough Dreadnoughts to protect Australia in WWI, and that Chamberlain was a coward, who alone took the commonwealth to war , despite protestations from its supposed Euro allies during WWII.


Oh!, and if it wasn't for the USA the Allies would have lost?


lol

 

[medusala]

Well... the British do. And have an affinity with "glorious" military defeats.

Name a country with a better military record

Havent lost at home since 1066 and have dominated away vs the French and Germans.

Re charge of the light brigade, they (and the French) beat the Russians in that war.

As a descendant of Irish Republicans, I agree totally with Keating.

That explains it.

But it has me beaten as to why other military battles that were so much more important for us as a nation, are not promoted. Beersheba and the Palestinian campaign especially.

Agree here. Beersheba and Romani are rarely mentioned despite the light horse charging vs machine guns (often held up to be the last examples of doing so).

 

[Chops_a_must]

Name a country with a better military record

Havent lost at home since 1066 and have dominated away vs the French and Germans.

O rly?

Would you believe it or not, Canada?

Re charge of the light brigade, they (and the French) beat the Russians in that war.

Yes, but that action was an out and out balls up. Yet it was many years before it was looked upon with any objectivity.

That explains it.

Just like I'm the descendent of an important explorer.

 

[Roylion]

Uh-oh, spaghetti-o. Mine was meant to be a comment on what Bumble Bee was saying and NMWBloods was replying to - Bumble Bee was questioning your historical sources, Bloods was wondering if Bumble Bee was sleighting your knowledge of history and I was simply putting to Bloods what I thought Bumble Bee actually meant.

I understand what you were saying, but I was interested to know what you thought my viewpoint was (according to Bumblebee).

In any case I don't really take much notice of what Bumblebee has to say. He's too busy assuming an air of superiority through typing 'lol' in every post he makes. He may question my historical sources all he likes, but as he doesn't offer any of his own, I really don't take much notice of what he says.

 

[btdg]

absolutely, its the biggest joke that we 'celebrate' Gallipolli every year, we were used and abused by the Brits, why do we hang our hat on this tragedy that is Gallipolli? Because we don't have much else in the way of history overseas. Makes me spew every time Anzac day comes around, especially the sentimental crap that goes with the football match

It stems from the desperate sense Aussies have to prove their own identity as a nation. Other countries celebrate the end of WWI (Remembrance day). We celebrate the start - the day we finally proved we were able to needlessly sacrifice young men, just like the other big boys.

Its not just ANZAC day, though. We overhype sports stars who can compete on the world stage, our prime ministers (Rudd and Howard) just love getting their photo taken with the big boys at any opportunity, and we insist on being leaders on things like the Kyoto protocol - not because WE want to do it, but because it'll reaffirm our importance on the global stage.

Time we developed a bit of self-confidence, I reckon.

 

[evo]

Celebrating sporting acheivements as a means to an identity is not a bad substitue I reckon, btdg.

It certainly beats celebrating wars,one or lost,in my view.

HAving said that I pretty much agree with you.I'd like us to be the nation who celebrates the fact we don't give a shit about identity,or how we are perceived.That would be an identity in itself.

 

[TheBloods]

We have **** all else to celebrate or be proud of.

 

[Chops_a_must]

We have **** all else to celebrate or be proud of.

Lets hear it for the stump jump plough!

 

[TheBloods]

Lets hear it for the stump jump plough!

Now, if we had a special day for that and the hills hoist, it would be different...

 

[Scratcher Gillespie]

We have **** all else to celebrate or be proud of.

Are you kidding??? Are you seriously not grateful you have the chance to live here?

 

[bit_pattern]

Now, if we had a special day for that and the hills hoist, it would be different...

Or what about womens right to vote., the eight hour day, or the minimum wage? There is plenty to celebrate that doesn´t involve killing innocent brown people in far, far away lands

 

[Chops_a_must]

There is plenty to celebrate that doesn´t involve killing innocent brown people in far, far away lands

Too right!

We can celebrate killing brown people on our own soil as well.

Tasmanian genocide day!

Why didn't I think of that?

 

[Suspense]

We have **** all else to celebrate or be proud of.

I'd rather celebrate our independence (11th December or 3rd March) or some shit than the needless deaths of thousands of young Australian men...

Just me personally though.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

When exactly are we celebrating the war?

It's always been a respectful solemn event.

Maybe those who think it's a celebration don't stick around til the end or the part where they say 'lest we forget'.

 

[TheBloods]

Are you kidding??? Are you seriously not grateful you have the chance to live here?

I'm talking our lack of history.

As for 'celebrating' ANZAC Day, only morons do that.

 

[TheBloods]

Or what about womens right to vote., the eight hour day, or the minimum wage? There is plenty to celebrate that doesn´t involve killing innocent brown people in far, far away lands

NZ gave women the right to vote first.

As for the 'eight hour day' - what a joke - Australians work more hours than people in any other developed country.

The Turks were hardly 'innocent brown people'.
And there are far more interesting things to recognise in other countries than our exciting bogan sports heroes.

 

[Suspense]

When exactly are we celebrating the war?

It's always been a respectful solemn event.

Maybe those who think it's a celebration don't stick around til the end or the part where they say 'lest we forget'.

it's a day off matee...lets hit the tins!!

 

[bit_pattern]

NZ gave women the right to vote first.

Uh uh... South Australia

As for the 'eight hour day' - what a joke - Australians work more hours than people in any other developed country.

All the more reason to recognise outr roots

The Turks were hardly 'innocent brown people'.

Oh, that's right, they were poised to invade Australia!

 

[TheBloods]

Uh uh... South Australia

Not really true and not really an Australian first either.

All the more reason to recognise outr roots

Hardly.

Oh, that's right, they were poised to invade Australia!

Irrelevant. The Turks were not 'innocent brown people'.

 

[bit_pattern]

Not really true and not really an Australian first either.

Uh, yes, it IS true

Hardly.

Whatever

Irrelevant. The Turks were not 'innocent brown people'.

So what crimes did they commit against Australia?

 

[TheBloods]

So what crimes did they commit against Australia?

They were at war with the British Empire, of which Australia was part.

 

[Bumble Bee]

I understand what you were saying, but I was interested to know what you thought my viewpoint was (according to Bumblebee).

In any case I don't really take much notice of what Bumblebee has to say. He's too busy assuming an air of superiority through typing 'lol' in every post he makes. He may question my historical sources all he likes, but as he doesn't offer any of his own, I really don't take much notice of what he says.

lol.

Roy tell me, tell us, what was the trigger which ignited the so called 'Cold War'.

Was it the common-garden Anglo-Saxon genetics or the Old testament fervour? Jesus!

Whose history books are you reading?

Readers digest?

 

[TheBloods]

tell us, what was the trigger which ignited the so called 'Cold War'.

Does this make sense...?

 

[Bumble Bee]

Does this make sense...?

Yes!,

It certainly does young boy.

 

[bit_pattern]

Does this make sense...?

Maybe it was this?

http://www.springerlink.com/content/jttcphb92xacxqqw/