Yup. We'd get 40k members before the first season started.
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Apple Isle Showdown: Tas Govt threatens to end Hawks, North deals if no plan for 19th side
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Yup. We'd get 40k members before the first season started.
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There's more chance of a 3rd QLD team than the AFL trying to relocate the Gold Coast. Even as a Tasmanian I can admit they're much more important for long-term strategy than a Tasmanian side.
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I think the Saints are the only chance,I can't see any other team moving south.
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Until North can prove they're viable in Melbourne, we're always going to be in the firing line as well. It's a shame the AFL decided the rip the Ballarat rug from underneath us.
Why would the Saints move after the AFL and state governments just poured money into the Moorabbin redevelopment?
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Wasnt that an electoral thing? Promised by one government and cancelled after the election, after which your club went to Tassie instead.
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Something like that. North were aligned with the Roosters from 2006 (?) and saw it as a secondary market. Looking on Wikipedia (an always reliable source), the state gov and the AFL pushed the Bulldogs to play there instead in 2014.
If Carter can’t work out that a 19th team adds 11 games and thus will increase broadcast revenue, then who whole report should be thrown in the bin.
Time for the AFL to take additional funding from all unassisted clubs, introduce Tasmania and run a 12 team competition.
The strong will have room to grow, the weak will perish and we can finally have a full equitable 22 round season
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Time for the AFL to take additional funding from all unassisted clubs, introduce Tasmania and run a 12 team competition.
The strong will have room to grow, the weak will perish and we can finally have a full equitable 22 round season
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Yep and in 10 years when the league is a mickey mouse comp because the broadcast funding is shit you can whittle it down until it's just West Coast vs Richmond every year.
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In the off chance you're actually being serious and not for the dry joke. It's going to be North.
- St Kilda is in a better financial position than North (http://www.footyindustry.com/?p=58738). Hawthorn incredibly comfortable.
- North Melbourne stand to lose a significant sponsorship revenue stream should the Tasmanian government end the deal. (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...t/news-story/5060e439b6549693fb81457cd8d71f0f). Also the Spirit of Tasmania deal ends this year (https://www.spiritoftasmania.com.au...f-tasmania-signs-new-five-year-deal-with-nmfc)
- North's membership numbers have been pumped from giving away memberships (https://tradablebits.com/tb_app/465965). Don't recall the other clubs being mentioned doing that.
- Taking North's current member tally of ~46,000, there approx 6,000 Tasmanian members (https://www.nmfc.com.au/news/989771/north-clash-a-sell-out); roughly 1 in every 7 members is from Tasmania.
- North are already playing games in Tasmania, and have been steadily increasing since 2010 (https://afltables.com/afl/teams/kangaroos/allgames.html)
- Half of the AFLW North Melbourne Tasmania Kangaroos themselves are Tasmanian (https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/202...-melbournes-vflw-tasmanian-connection-strong/)
No one watches the little clubs, they have very little value to the broadcasters
Double ups featuring Coll, Ess, Rich, Carl, Haw, Geel, Adel, WC, Syd, Bris, Tas and one of Frem / PA would more than make up for Mickey Mouse games featuring NM and StK.
In addition StK receives $7m per season above the baseline distribution (Rich, Haw, Coll and WCE)
The remaining clubs could set up a second division and run the league within their means.
Just saying...
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. Yep the last time I checked carter has never worked for a major tv network his opinion on tv revenue is irrelevant
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Then why did they bring in gws and the suns there games rate terribly
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as an aside North should look to Bendigo… now the Bulldogs have Ballarat!!
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10k of the 77k are already in Tasmania
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reckon if there is a 19th team … should be a chance to fix the fixture … 19 rounds 9 home 9 away .. one team has a bye each round !!
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1. Herald Sun Friday 12.8, about 7pm
"The Colin Carter review has recommended Tasmania should have representation in both the AFL and the AFLW.
The review of Tasmania’s business case for a 19th team will be released publicly on Friday.
But it is understood Mr Carter – a former Geelong president and league commissioner — has provided three options to the AFL for Tasmania’s entry:
■ A 19th licence;
■ A relocated team from Melbourne [extremely unlikely- NMFC is now financially OK] ; or
■ A joint venture with a Melbourne-based club playing most or all of its home games in Tasmania [extremely unlikely. Also, Carter says Tas. deserves its own team- tribalism, & glorious history of AF in Tas.].
The Tasmanian Government received the report late on Thursday but refused to comment on its contents.
Mr Carter states Tasmania deserves a team and praises its long historical involvement in the game and its impact on the code.
It is also believed the report recommends the worldwide Covid pandemic should not impact a decision on a Tasmanian team, but it may delay the timeline for the introduction of the club or relocated side (Words in brackets, & emphases mine)".
2. Tasmania was always very unlikely to have any "outside" Report approving its entry as the 19th team, based on the Tas. govt. only commiting $7m pa;& with the Tas. govt considering favourably up to $11m pa (from the 5.2.20 Tas. Taskforce Bid documents).
The argy-bargy now starts with the AFL, & the Tas. govt. being required to financially "derisk" its 19th team.
Eventually, the AFL, IMO, will probably seek a guarantee from the Tas. govt. of about $25m pa (indexed to CPI), in perpetuity- future failure to comply allowing the AFL to unilaterally revoke the license.
Then, after more negotiations, the AFL & Clubs will "reluctantly" agree to c. $20m pa from the Tas. govt. , in perpetuity.
The Carter Report is very good that it recognises, in principle, Tas. should be in the AFL & AFLW, & deserves its own team; & downplays the effect of covid as being a factor as to whether Tas. deserves to be in the AFL & AFLW- but may impact the timing of entry.
"The Colin Carter review has recommended Tasmania should have representation in both the AFL and the AFLW.
The review of Tasmania’s business case for a 19th team will be released publicly on Friday.
But it is understood Mr Carter – a former Geelong president and league commissioner — has provided three options to the AFL for Tasmania’s entry:
■ A 19th licence;
■ A relocated team from Melbourne [extremely unlikely- NMFC is now financially OK] ; or
■ A joint venture with a Melbourne-based club playing most or all of its home games in Tasmania [extremely unlikely. Also, Carter says Tas. deserves its own team- tribalism, & glorious history of AF in Tas.].
The Tasmanian Government received the report late on Thursday but refused to comment on its contents.
Mr Carter states Tasmania deserves a team and praises its long historical involvement in the game and its impact on the code.
It is also believed the report recommends the worldwide Covid pandemic should not impact a decision on a Tasmanian team, but it may delay the timeline for the introduction of the club or relocated side (Words in brackets, & emphases mine)".
2. Tasmania was always very unlikely to have any "outside" Report approving its entry as the 19th team, based on the Tas. govt. only commiting $7m pa;& with the Tas. govt considering favourably up to $11m pa (from the 5.2.20 Tas. Taskforce Bid documents).
The argy-bargy now starts with the AFL, & the Tas. govt. being required to financially "derisk" its 19th team.
Eventually, the AFL, IMO, will probably seek a guarantee from the Tas. govt. of about $25m pa (indexed to CPI), in perpetuity- future failure to comply allowing the AFL to unilaterally revoke the license.
Then, after more negotiations, the AFL & Clubs will "reluctantly" agree to c. $20m pa from the Tas. govt. , in perpetuity.
The Carter Report is very good that it recognises, in principle, Tas. should be in the AFL & AFLW, & deserves its own team; & downplays the effect of covid as being a factor as to whether Tas. deserves to be in the AFL & AFLW- but may impact the timing of entry.
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The AFL send mixed messages. They realise on a visceral level that Tasmania should have a team and North Melbourne serve no purpose, but are tied to their Victorian Government Ownership and due to that Victorian interests lay far above anything else. They don't have the balls or integrity to suffer the short term backlash for the long term gain, even for Victoria, but under the control of a socialist self interested state government they can't make the move they know to be the correct one.
9,000 of 77,000 - which is approx. 10% of the Tasmanian total AFL membership.
In fact Hawthorn could well have a higher portion of members in Melbourne (relative to total AFL members) than they do in Tasmania
No AFLW members in that lot either
Hawthorn is no more popular in Tasmania than they are in Victoria, and they would likely hold a great number of those members (like Ess, Carl, Rich etc) once they left
They are not going to go backwards and reduce games and reduce revenue by 20%
Gil says 19th team is the third best option behind 1) relocation, 2) joint venture.
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