Training Apples' & Jen's Training Thread 2021 (Latest report #3590)

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SchuPie said:
I still think he might end up as a backman dependent on our forward stocks in the future
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That would be terrible.
Once Cox/Mihochek are at the end of their careers.. we'd only be left with McMahon.

No, they'll develop and have the view of playing McMahon and Kelly together in the future.
 

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Jen2310 said:
That would be terrible.
Once Cox/Mihochek are at the end of their careers.. we'd only be left with McMahon.

No, they'll develop and have the view of playing McMahon and Kelly together in the future.
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Agree - I think he'll stay forward...for the moment (2021/2022) - but as I said, dependent on our forward stocks in the future.

What I meant by that is that if they happen to draft a traditional KPF or use our new caps space to do a big trade to bring in someone like McDonald from the Swans, he may be moved to defence. If he shines up front he'll stay there regardless of who we bring in.
 
TradeDraft said:
Why is that?

Then we might not have any KPF's soon
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No evidence Dave - my thoughts are we might find better options in the future and he'll be switched back.
It prob won't happen for a year or two bc as you say, w don't have lots of other options yet
 
jonmacTrag said:
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

If one wants to have an agenda about something they are fair game.
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I can't believe that you're onto my agenda:

Step 1. Write a sentence that criticizes Pendles' marking.
Step 2 ....
...
...
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Step 43 World domination.
 
LuckyLee said:
Thanks Jen and Co for all the excellent reports and observations. It’s all very much appreciated.

How are Rantall and Bianco shaping up? Have they been leap-frogged by this year’s new crop of draftees?


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Ha talk about leapfrogging, in this report from Extreme black & White, the person talked about Tommy Wilson being leapfrogged by this year's mob of draftees. So below is a report on yesterday from Annabelle from EBW and I think some of the other reports have come up here as well.


A sun-gilded day greeted the players for the last day of their working week. It was an intense session starting of many (who came out early), before nine, with the final match simulation quarter ending after midday.
Those who emerged first completed kick-to-kick drills with some intermittent jogging.
The whole session comprised of warm-up routine (tennis centre end), mini-hurdles, reaction time drill, paired running, mini match sims and four quarters of intense match simulation using the whole arena. Again professional umpires officiated.
The only player who did not grace the arena was Checkers. He went to his car to retrieve something at one stage, but that was all we saw of him. The only other match and drill non-participant was Howe. Pleasingly though he did some lateral work with his running and swapped his sneakers for fluro green footy boots. This perhaps signals that he’s getting closer to return to the fray. Howe came over to the fence near us to have a chat with erstwhile Melbourne footballer John Meesen who was signing a five year contract for some purpose or other.
When the players were doing the mini-hurdles they were instructed to navigate the higher ones first. The reaction drill was something newer introduced today. There was a pole between a set of blue and red cones. Two players stood together and the coach would yell out blue or red. They had to quickly head to the cone of the nominated colour. Some instinctively headed for the wrong one and copped a ribbing from their teammates, notably Nathan Murphy’s whose mad dart to the wrong one was accompanied by much mirth.

The mini-simulation involved three groups with a yellow, black and orange vested set of players opposed to unvested who were basically doing some keepings off, evasive and kicking work.

Prior to the match simulation proper getting underway, the players formed a tight huddle, bounced up and down on the spot and ululated in a primal way as if it was some atavistic war cry. This is good for team bonding though and for galvanising them into action

Also prior to the main course starting, the players stood in front of the pavilion where a group of the new recruits’ parents were being entertained for the day. They were all introduced separately and accompanied by enthusiastic clapping and some audible banter. At one other juncture, the players were endorsing Nathan Murphy for some reason or other, but it isn’t his birthday.

The main match simulation saw the players all place their numbers on their back. It makes it much easier to identify them, especially those wearing the black training tops whose number is on the outside. The blue vests covered their numbers so one has to look at boots, hairstyles, running traits and tattoos to use as identification markers.
Again there some VFL players present who were making up the numbers. There were two interchange areas – principally in front of the pavilion and near the tennis centre end.

Scott Selwood remained on the sidelines barking instructions, as he always does in the drills and focussing strongly on the youngsters.

There was much to be pleased about emanating from today’s session. All the newbies showed something and some really shone.
As is customary, players changed sides throughout the match and there were constant positional moves. For the first couple of segments, Pendles, Sidey, Adams, Macrae, Sier and Reef spent quite a lot of time in the middle but from the beginning of the third quarter Poulter, Daics and Callum Brown were given a run in the centre square. Poulter excelled in this role accepting handballs from others and then moving through traffic or around the perimeter of the square like a dream and using his left-foot to good effect.
Daics also did well in the middle but played well throughout being used predominantly forward an on a wing outside of his centre clearance stint.
Grundy, Cox, Lynch and Cameron all interchanged in centre square duties. Lynch fared well on occasions on Grundy, winning the tap or taking possession of the ball. Grundy took some marks around the ground after making position, while Cameron had one of his better performances during match simulation. He did some useful things in the ruck but starred across half forward during the third stanza with some big marks, including an intercept from an errant defensive kick which required some solid running to position himself for this.
Tohill was mainly used in defence today and looked more comfortable there than on the wing, in terms of his ability to become more involved in the play. Interestingly he’s not averse to advising teammates regarding where they should be standing, who they should be matching up on etc. His compatriot was a standout in defence until he appeared to hurt his finger late in the third quarter. He came off and five minutes later could be seen with a huge icepack on his hand. This was unfortunate as not only was he marking strongly but he was running down the ground confidently and booting it forward throughout the session.
McMahon may well end up the smoky of the draft who has come as a bargain basement because of COVID interference to player profiles and recruiters’ assessments and risk index. While Poulter has some X-factor about him, Liam looks to be a natural forward. He again moved well, marked on leads and kicked well. Examining some of his shots for goal, one can ascertain that he can cover fifty metres with ease.
Henry moved well again, weaving his way in traffic, marking comfortably and generally kicking the ball with precision.
IQ looked impressive off half back today without kicking as well as he’s capable of. He produced some withering runs, sometimes laying off, receiving again and penetrating the ball deeply into our forward zone. Occasionally he looked to become a tad over-excited and he sprayed the kick. Having said that both Crisp and Maynard were guilty of erratic delivery at times and the former appeared to be in one of his fumbly moods.

JDG played most of the match as a mid but rested in the third quarter up forward, kicking a goal and finding space well.
Jamie Elliott is clearly earmarked for a permanent forward spot as he spent the whole game up forward. He led well took some neat marks and would estimate kicked about three goals. He also is religiously practising his set shots during breaks. Also saw them massaging his legs and back at one point. Tom Wilson also was the recipient of a vigorous rubbing which looked to be aimed at loosening up the hip joint. He figured occasionally in the play but would think there’s a chance that younger players may overleap him.

Reef perhaps had his best match simulation to date. He took some marks and converted truly after one fast lead. He looks the sort of guy who might have been on the old-fashioned footy cards as a utility because he looks suited to a variety of positions.

McCreery who hasn’t been a participant in match simulation due to being part of the modified group played today in the forward line and took some marks and got a bit of the pill. As previously remarked, his body looks quite mature.

Both Ginnivan and Chugg have added pace and when they get hold of the ball, things move quickly The former at one stage flashed down the ground at a pleasing rate of knots. It was noticeable that occasionally we moved the ball in a stagnant manner when players bunched in the middle but when it was cleared swiftly from defence they often went down the guts and it looked silky.

Adams again had a good game running tirelessly, he looked fatigued at one stage, vigorously rehydrating and liberally splashing his face with sunscreen as he enjoyed a breather. He was pretty purposeful overall.

Would have liked to have seen Kelly become more involved in the maelstrom of the action. He moves well but is not troubling the scorers a lot from my vantage point.
Tyler is another one would like to see get more of the ball but when he got it he moved smoothly and often handballed very precisely. Sier got a bit of it in the middle and is fond of dishing off by hand. He looks pretty committed and he would know that though there might be an opening in the midfield with Treloar’s defection, he has some youngsters like Macrae who again showed flashes of extreme promise, snapping at his heels.

Ruscoe was stationed at full forward, often on Moore for much of the session, while Roughie played in defensive for the duration. The aforementioned Ruscoe's number has moved from thirty-nine to twenty-one.

Pendles did his usual more than serviceable job in these type of matches, showing his elite ability to elude tackles on occasions. Cox was again competent in the ruck, while Moore did some good intercepting and running but was mainly in cruise mode. Interestingly I believe they could use him more as an attacking option because he makes position a lot but they take other avenues home.
This session in warm, pleasant conditions would have provided good conditioning for the group. Between quarters the pairs ran in synchrony at a fair clip so there wasn’t much respite for them. There was hard tackling and close to the action one could hear the crunch of bodies. Apart from the Keane mishap we appear to have got through this session unscathed which is always important. No point busting a boiler in a reckless, impetuous fashion when there is a whole season ahead. Generally though the youngsters like to put in place an early positive footprint on their Magpie journey.
 

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Sea fog said:
Ha talk about leapfrogging, in this report from Extreme black & White, the person talked about Tommy Wilson being leapfrogged by this year's mob of draftees. So below is a report on yesterday from Annabelle from EBW and I think some of the other reports have come up here as well.


A sun-gilded day greeted the players for the last day of their working week. It was an intense session starting of many (who came out early), before nine, with the final match simulation quarter ending after midday.
Those who emerged first completed kick-to-kick drills with some intermittent jogging.
The whole session comprised of warm-up routine (tennis centre end), mini-hurdles, reaction time drill, paired running, mini match sims and four quarters of intense match simulation using the whole arena. Again professional umpires officiated.
The only player who did not grace the arena was Checkers. He went to his car to retrieve something at one stage, but that was all we saw of him. The only other match and drill non-participant was Howe. Pleasingly though he did some lateral work with his running and swapped his sneakers for fluro green footy boots. This perhaps signals that he’s getting closer to return to the fray. Howe came over to the fence near us to have a chat with erstwhile Melbourne footballer John Meesen who was signing a five year contract for some purpose or other.
When the players were doing the mini-hurdles they were instructed to navigate the higher ones first. The reaction drill was something newer introduced today. There was a pole between a set of blue and red cones. Two players stood together and the coach would yell out blue or red. They had to quickly head to the cone of the nominated colour. Some instinctively headed for the wrong one and copped a ribbing from their teammates, notably Nathan Murphy’s whose mad dart to the wrong one was accompanied by much mirth.

The mini-simulation involved three groups with a yellow, black and orange vested set of players opposed to unvested who were basically doing some keepings off, evasive and kicking work.

Prior to the match simulation proper getting underway, the players formed a tight huddle, bounced up and down on the spot and ululated in a primal way as if it was some atavistic war cry. This is good for team bonding though and for galvanising them into action

Also prior to the main course starting, the players stood in front of the pavilion where a group of the new recruits’ parents were being entertained for the day. They were all introduced separately and accompanied by enthusiastic clapping and some audible banter. At one other juncture, the players were endorsing Nathan Murphy for some reason or other, but it isn’t his birthday.

The main match simulation saw the players all place their numbers on their back. It makes it much easier to identify them, especially those wearing the black training tops whose number is on the outside. The blue vests covered their numbers so one has to look at boots, hairstyles, running traits and tattoos to use as identification markers.
Again there some VFL players present who were making up the numbers. There were two interchange areas – principally in front of the pavilion and near the tennis centre end.

Scott Selwood remained on the sidelines barking instructions, as he always does in the drills and focussing strongly on the youngsters.

There was much to be pleased about emanating from today’s session. All the newbies showed something and some really shone.
As is customary, players changed sides throughout the match and there were constant positional moves. For the first couple of segments, Pendles, Sidey, Adams, Macrae, Sier and Reef spent quite a lot of time in the middle but from the beginning of the third quarter Poulter, Daics and Callum Brown were given a run in the centre square. Poulter excelled in this role accepting handballs from others and then moving through traffic or around the perimeter of the square like a dream and using his left-foot to good effect.
Daics also did well in the middle but played well throughout being used predominantly forward an on a wing outside of his centre clearance stint.
Grundy, Cox, Lynch and Cameron all interchanged in centre square duties. Lynch fared well on occasions on Grundy, winning the tap or taking possession of the ball. Grundy took some marks around the ground after making position, while Cameron had one of his better performances during match simulation. He did some useful things in the ruck but starred across half forward during the third stanza with some big marks, including an intercept from an errant defensive kick which required some solid running to position himself for this.
Tohill was mainly used in defence today and looked more comfortable there than on the wing, in terms of his ability to become more involved in the play. Interestingly he’s not averse to advising teammates regarding where they should be standing, who they should be matching up on etc. His compatriot was a standout in defence until he appeared to hurt his finger late in the third quarter. He came off and five minutes later could be seen with a huge icepack on his hand. This was unfortunate as not only was he marking strongly but he was running down the ground confidently and booting it forward throughout the session.
McMahon may well end up the smoky of the draft who has come as a bargain basement because of COVID interference to player profiles and recruiters’ assessments and risk index. While Poulter has some X-factor about him, Liam looks to be a natural forward. He again moved well, marked on leads and kicked well. Examining some of his shots for goal, one can ascertain that he can cover fifty metres with ease.
Henry moved well again, weaving his way in traffic, marking comfortably and generally kicking the ball with precision.
IQ looked impressive off half back today without kicking as well as he’s capable of. He produced some withering runs, sometimes laying off, receiving again and penetrating the ball deeply into our forward zone. Occasionally he looked to become a tad over-excited and he sprayed the kick. Having said that both Crisp and Maynard were guilty of erratic delivery at times and the former appeared to be in one of his fumbly moods.

JDG played most of the match as a mid but rested in the third quarter up forward, kicking a goal and finding space well.
Jamie Elliott is clearly earmarked for a permanent forward spot as he spent the whole game up forward. He led well took some neat marks and would estimate kicked about three goals. He also is religiously practising his set shots during breaks. Also saw them massaging his legs and back at one point. Tom Wilson also was the recipient of a vigorous rubbing which looked to be aimed at loosening up the hip joint. He figured occasionally in the play but would think there’s a chance that younger players may overleap him.

Reef perhaps had his best match simulation to date. He took some marks and converted truly after one fast lead. He looks the sort of guy who might have been on the old-fashioned footy cards as a utility because he looks suited to a variety of positions.

McCreery who hasn’t been a participant in match simulation due to being part of the modified group played today in the forward line and took some marks and got a bit of the pill. As previously remarked, his body looks quite mature.

Both Ginnivan and Chugg have added pace and when they get hold of the ball, things move quickly The former at one stage flashed down the ground at a pleasing rate of knots. It was noticeable that occasionally we moved the ball in a stagnant manner when players bunched in the middle but when it was cleared swiftly from defence they often went down the guts and it looked silky.

Adams again had a good game running tirelessly, he looked fatigued at one stage, vigorously rehydrating and liberally splashing his face with sunscreen as he enjoyed a breather. He was pretty purposeful overall.

Would have liked to have seen Kelly become more involved in the maelstrom of the action. He moves well but is not troubling the scorers a lot from my vantage point.
Tyler is another one would like to see get more of the ball but when he got it he moved smoothly and often handballed very precisely. Sier got a bit of it in the middle and is fond of dishing off by hand. He looks pretty committed and he would know that though there might be an opening in the midfield with Treloar’s defection, he has some youngsters like Macrae who again showed flashes of extreme promise, snapping at his heels.

Ruscoe was stationed at full forward, often on Moore for much of the session, while Roughie played in defensive for the duration. The aforementioned Ruscoe's number has moved from thirty-nine to twenty-one.

Pendles did his usual more than serviceable job in these type of matches, showing his elite ability to elude tackles on occasions. Cox was again competent in the ruck, while Moore did some good intercepting and running but was mainly in cruise mode. Interestingly I believe they could use him more as an attacking option because he makes position a lot but they take other avenues home.
This session in warm, pleasant conditions would have provided good conditioning for the group. Between quarters the pairs ran in synchrony at a fair clip so there wasn’t much respite for them. There was hard tackling and close to the action one could hear the crunch of bodies. Apart from the Keane mishap we appear to have got through this session unscathed which is always important. No point busting a boiler in a reckless, impetuous fashion when there is a whole season ahead. Generally though the youngsters like to put in place an early positive footprint on their Magpie journey.
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What a terrific write up. May we see many more such.
 
Unfortunately Keane is having surgery on the finger he injured yesterday.

It looks like sidelining him for a couple of months. He will still be able to run but it's a shame because he has been demonstrating improvement and looked great yesterday before the mishap.

He's a tough guy so when I saw him race off cradling the finger with great concern, it looked to be something serious.
 
TradeDraft said:
Unfortunately Keane is having surgery on the finger he injured yesterday.

It looks like sidelining him for a couple of months. He will still be able to run but it's a shame because he has been demonstrating improvement and looked great yesterday before the mishap.

He's a tough guy so when I saw him race off cradling the finger with great concern, it looked to be something serious.
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Where did you get this Dave?
 
Apex36 said:
Sounds like he’s done a tendon. Similar to Jordy last year.
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At least he did not do it after Kicking 5 Goals like Jordy
 

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