Are there any vegetarian or vegan footballers?

[faible]

I see the people who eat those foods you advise at the whole foods supermarket I go to(I know I shouldn't but since I went on the meat diet I check what others are buying at the supermarket and then look at them). They really don't look good or free from the chronic conditions that affect humans. They look haggard and older than their years, some underweight but more are over weight and all have their weight in the wrong places(as I did before the meat diet even though I was underweight).

So without really knowing anything about someone's diet you're making sweeping conclusions about everything they eat and their body shape in order to determine if a diet is healthy?

Sounds like science to me.

 

[BrockBlitz]

It is not the worst endorsement for veganism.
There is a massive difference between vegetarianinsm and veganism.
And most importantly. many people are vegan without being healthy, so the main message is to be fully whole foodplant based.
A bag of chips with oil and salt is vegan.
But to eat whole unprocessed foods, minimising added salt, oil, sugar, is the emphasis, and obtaining foods from all of fruits, veg, grains, nuts, seeds, legumes and mushrooms can lead to perfect nutrition for all people and athletes, and can lead to preventing, treating, and reversing nearly all of the chronic conditions that afflict humans, which no other medication, lifestyle and dietary regime can do.

Yeah it was, the argument was it was superior for performance. Which is a bonkers argument. No nutritionist with more than 2 brain cells to rub together agrees with that. Performance nutrition and health nutrition are completely different concepts.

If you want to argue that its better for longevity then maybe, still shaky ground but a much better argument.

 

[Ironmonger85]

So without really knowing anything about someone's diet you're making sweeping conclusions about everything they eat and their body shape in order to determine if a diet is healthy?

Sounds like science to me.

Vegan nutrition science comes from the 7th day Adventists, they were fans of cereals disliked red meat because they though red meat made people too horny, and they saw wheat based cereals as the remedy for that(they're right).

 

[faible]

Vegan nutrition science comes from the 7th day Adventists, they were fans of cereals disliked red meat because they though red meat made people too horny, and they saw wheat based cereals as the remedy for that(they're right).

More science facts!

 

[Orange crush]

Vegan nutrition science comes from the 7th day Adventists, they were fans of cereals disliked red meat because they though red meat made people too horny, and they saw wheat based cereals as the remedy for that(they're right).

Yep Kellog and friends … and they are massively into the food industry, flogging off hyper processed crap filled with sugar to people telling them it’s the red meat and fat that will kill you

 

[Orange crush]

More science facts!

Exactly …, the lack of science is due to the ideology underpinning the movement

 

[faible]

Exactly …, the lack of science is due to the ideology underpinning the movement

Heard it here folks, the entire vegetarian and vegan diet is Kellog's cereals!

 

[Ironmonger85]

More science facts!

"
The Sanitarium Health and Wellbeing Company is the trading name of two sister food companies (Australian Health and Nutrition Association Ltd[1] and New Zealand Health Association Ltd).[2] Both are wholly owned by the Seventh-day Adventist Church.[3]

Founded in Melbourne, Victoria, in 1898,[4] Sanitarium has factories in Australia and New Zealand, producing a large range of breakfast cereals and vegetarian products. All the food products it manufactures and markets are plant derived or vegetarian. Its flagship product is Weet-Bix, sold in the Australian and New Zealand breakfast cereal markets."

Sanitarium Health and Wellbeing Company - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

These are the people who've been funding nutrition research for over a century.

 

[faible]

These are the people who've been funding nutrition research for over a century.

They've been funding all the nutrition research? Who knew!

 

[Chadwiko]

lol at thinking sanitarium invented vegan / plant-based diets.

What is going on in this thread, hahahaha

 

[Chadwiko]

Eating only meat is fine none of the plant foods humans can eat existed before agriculture was invented(like wheat).

Boy do I have bad news for you about what cows, chickens, and pigs looked like 'before agriculture was invented'.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I knew of one past player who was a Vegan, Tim Pekin (ex Saint and Fitzroy player).

Terrific bloke who gave me a lot of direction and purpose in my younger days (like Jim Stynes)

Such a Zen person, who didn't fit my precious conceived idea of what former players would act and live life before and after footy (Jimma too)

We have also seen a few practising Muslims (past and present) who can play decent footy whilst observing Ramadan during the season (no drinking any fluids or eating from dawn to sunset)

I do feel there is some unfair stigma to vegans and vegetarians though (probably due to the antics of some extremist Vegan activists in the community)

 

[Vdubs]

Yeah it was, the argument was it was superior for performance. Which is a bonkers argument. No nutritionist with more than 2 brain cells to rub together agrees with that. Performance nutrition and health nutrition are completely different concepts.

If you want to argue that its better for longevity then maybe, still shaky ground but a much better argument.

no, my point was any athlete can and does obtain ALL the strength, endurance and fitness benefits from a plant based diet, and that meat is NOT necessary.

 

[Vdubs]

I see the people who eat those foods you advise at the whole foods supermarket I go to(I know I shouldn't but since I went on the meat diet I check what others are buying at the supermarket and then look at them). They really don't look good or free from the chronic conditions that affect humans. They look haggard and older than their years, some underweight but more are over weight and all have their weight in the wrong places(as I did before the meat diet even though I was underweight).

You look at it as a diet, not a lifestyle and long term decision.
There are literally millions of testimonies of people reversing ill health and having spring in their steps, even starting in their 80's, 90's. So let that be a seed for you. Never too late unless it is too late.

 

[Vdubs]

No it’s not

I know several people involved, it's legit. What the athletes achieved is from a pure plant based regime.

 

[Vdubs]

Everything in balance. Meat, vegetables, fruit. Limit the processed s**t.

How hard is it?

To reduce health risks, the meat/dairy renders your assertion UN balanced

 

[Ironmonger85]

Boy do I have bad news for you about what cows, chickens, and pigs looked like 'before agriculture was invented'.

Doesn't matter we can eat wild ruminant or on ruminant animals just fine, same can't be said of the plant foods people currently eat most were too poisonous ot eat in there natural non modified state and had basically zero calories.

 

[BrockBlitz]

no, my point was any athlete can and does obtain ALL the strength, endurance and fitness benefits from a plant based diet, and that meat is NOT necessary.

You're in the ideology camp on the science camp.

 

[Del165198]

lol at thinking sanitarium invented vegan / plant-based diets.

What is going on in this thread, hahahaha

BigCereal must be stopped. This rabbit hole goes all the way to the top people!

 

[raskolnikov]

You don't win games with salad.

 

[Tadpole]

BigCereal must be stopped. This rabbit hole goes all the way to the top people!

Just wait until Big Broccoli decides they want a piece of the action.

 

[ThePhantom777]

This is literally one of the worst endorsements ever for being a vegetarian or vegan. During the filming many athletes pulled out because they went back to eating meat. No one is at the top of their sport and the experiments done are laughable to anyone with a remote science background.

Entertaining sure, it was produced by the dude who did Avatar. Every nutritionist with a strong profile came out with their own debunking of it.
About as evidence based as the blue zones

Aussie nutritionist Simon Hill has a scientific, research based approach to a plant-based, whole-food diet The Proof with Simon hill

 

[Orange crush]

I know several people involved, it's legit. What the athletes achieved is from a pure plant based regime.

No it’s not …. The athletes you speak of all built their success on a regular diet then got sucked into vegan Ian and simply maintained …. On the back of huge amounts of supplements

 

[leon123]

Just wait until Big Broccoli decides they want a piece of the action.

you havent seen the photos of Big Cucumber in action im guessing

 

[BrockBlitz]

Aussie nutritionist Simon Hill has a scientific, research based approach to a plant-based, whole-food diet The Proof with Simon hill

People boiled their boot leather and ate it in ww2. You can do almost anything, the questions was is it optimal and the answer is categorically not. If you're being told it's not you're being sold a bill of goods.

I read his blogs. It's fine for a non athlete. For an athlete it doesn't make sense. Some ideas to look at:

• total protein isn't the thing we're initially chasing, it's making sure we hit the right ratios of amino acids. If we don't wont trigger protein synthesis. Plant foods are typically very low in these. Post the triggers then we're into total macros
• Meta studies or any Resistance Training V Dietary intervention are a real battle. Generally it's always some local college kids on campus with a low training age and a low threshold for growth and strength gains on an 8 week program to fit into a term. Longitudinal studies of this nature are really hard to implement and there are bugger all to look at
• They're not training 15-20 hours a week. RDI's for athletes who do contact sport, collision sport and who need an inflated body mass generally need 2+ and sometimes 3+g of protein per day per kg bw. I had an athlete who worked best at about 4, which is insane.

*Just because an athlete can do plant based doesn't mean its optimal. If Usain Bolt went vegan, he'd still likely have been one of the fastest people to have ever lived. Genetics, coaching, mentality and environment all play large rolls.

Whole foods and eating plants I'm totally on board with for general health, skipping animal products I'm not.