Win Prizes Ask an Atheist II

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Win Prizes - Ask an Atheist - Shoe's on the other foot now!

Alright, we're going to have a change of tack. As I'm sure you can see, the thread title has been changed to Ask an Atheist. People who have a question to ask of the atheists who populate this thread - more than the christians do - should feel free to ask questions of them. If you've still got...

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[Roylion]

yet there is so much about God we will never know --- until we do.

Humans know nothing about "God". Any claim about "God" is speculation and/or invention. By your own admission he is unknowable. You said yourself that you "...don't have the audacity to define God, his timing, his existence, his MO",

 

[Vdubs]

Humans know nothing about "God". Any claim about "God" is speculation and/or invention. By your own admission he is unknowable.

I know Jesus. Do you know Him?
Once you do, come back and tell me that again.

 

[Roylion]

I know Jesus. Do you know Him?

You claim you know Jesus. Anything you know about him are claims made in writings that were assembled 1,800-1,900 years ago. Writings that you frequently quote from to back your claims.

 

[Vdubs]

You claim you know Jesus. Anything you know about him are claims made in writings that were assembled 1,800-1,900 years ago.

Incorrect. That's where you are missing the point.
I know what I know, and Christ in my life is experiential, not gleaned by research or other people or opinions.
Once people experience the grace of God in their lives, they are changed forever.

I encountered Jesus without reading the Bible

 

[Total Power]

Incorrect. That's where you are missing the point.
I know what I know, and Christ in my life is experiential, not gleaned by research or other people or opinions.
Once people experience the grace of God in their lives, they are changed forever.

So all other religions are equally validated then?

which one is it? either you are right and all other gods are also real or you are equally delusional. I know which one is most probable.

 

[Roylion]

The Bible was way ahead of its time,

No it wasn't really. Much of it is derived from older writings

and still is the ONLY book that answers the questions many of us yearn to know.

It purports to answer questions. Much of it is invention and speculation just like the mythology of other belief systems.

It still influences millions of people today,

So do many other literary works.

including you guys who try and dismember it regularly.

The Bible is a great piece of literature. However claims made by some as to its divine nature and its path to truly knowing "god" is very questionable.

 

[Vdubs]

So all other religions are equally validated then?

which one is it? either you are right and all other gods are also real or you are equally delusional. I know which one is most probable.

you know what you know- I'm not the one who is searching though

 

[Roylion]

I encountered Jesus without reading the Bible

You wouldn't know anything about Jesus without reference to the Bible in some way. Whether reading it yourself or having it told to you by someone else.

 

[Total Power]

you know what you know- I'm not the one who is searching though

Everyone claims to know, they can't be right (everyone of them). Using your method, either they are all right or they are all wrong. Which one is it?

Searching never stops for mankind, hence the age of englightenment was pivotal for humans to gain freedom from religion. It's cause of this age of englihtenment we advanced, orelse people who go back burning witches and destroying other cultures.

 

[Vdubs]

You wouldn't know anything about Jesus without reference to the Bible in some way. Whether reading it yourself or having it told to you by someone else.

I met Christians who had that something that was missing in me- zilch to do with the Bible- that came later. of course I knew about God and Christ through school days, but it was not personal;.

 

[Vdubs]

Everyone claims to know, they can't be right (everyone of them). Using your method, either they are all right or they are all wrong. Which one is it?

Searching never stops for mankind, hence the age of englightenment was pivotal for humans to gain freedom from religion. It's cause of this age of englihtenment we advanced, orelse people who go back burning witches and destroying other cultures.

What happens if I go on living my life as if we are correct, that Christ is THE WAY- it has no impact on you, or anyone, and if correct at the end of time, so be it. And if incorrect, you can tell me I told you so?

 

[Total Power]

What happens if I go on living my life as if we are correct, that Christ iis THE WAY- it has no impact on you, or anyone, and if correct at the end of time, so be it. And if incorrect, you can tell me I told you so?

Plenty of things written in the Bible (not even talking about the OT) is purely immoral. If God is just then things should be objectively right..not with the age. Slavery , misogyny, blasphemy, racism etc, NT validates it. Paul, Peter all of them considered women as 2nd rate citizens. We do not believe in these things now.

Christ is not the way, your morality of picking and choosing is the way.

This cannot come from a God.

Second Jesus believed Adam was a real person. God wouldn't know adam and Eve are fairytales?

 

[Roylion]

I met Christians who had that something that was missing in me- zilch to do with the Bible-

It has everything to do with the contents of the Bible. That is the only place your Jesus - that you believe is "God" in human form - is described in any sort of detail at all and where claims to his divinity are also made. You continually quote frequently from the Bible, as if that is some sort of definitive truth that somehow validates your belief system and at the same time is supposed to convince the rest of us that your belief system is valid. Quoting from scripture has little effect as it does not demonstrate any truth for your set of beliefs.

 

[Total Power]

I met Christians who had that something that was missing in me- zilch to do with the Bible-

Rubbish, Christians are hardly the benchmark. They believe in various things, everyones different. Look at early Christianity, why didn't they believe Jesus was God but just a human? (pre constantine). Vast majority of your heathens voted for Trump, yet you think he is antichrist. That's just one example.

Then you guys pick and choose what suits you. OT when its convenient you quote it and when it isn't you guys switch to NT forgetting IT'S THE SAME GOD and without OT NT is pointless. OT is apparently the same god but YWH for gods sake he is worse than any god in history, stoning women killing babies and telling the rapists to marry the women for pardon. Your God is the god of Bible (NT only) period, there's no similarity between any other god and Jesus...YWH included.

I like the way you guys try to distance yourself from YWH while saying OT is just as valid and there is one god but only Jesus matters, but YWH is the Father, so Jesus and YWH are the same person according to Trinity. Why is god suffering from bipolar syndrome?

 

[The King!]

Wowzers what a nutty thread.

So Jesus was sent by God 2000 years ago to save the list and save the sinners, to be mankind's one and only saviour.

But since then in all those years we have seen countless wars, awful crime, uspeakable acts by people , people killing for and dying for religion and good old God sits back and does nothing . Intervened years ago so it's on you now people, capriciously went from all caring father to just watching his people suffer , what a guy . Surely he considered stepping in when his clergymen were molesting people for instance ? nah why bother.

Fortunately christians and their bible have the right god too, always found that amusing at a catholic school, lucky we got religion right and so many others who have faith in one of the other Gods are just dead wrong.

I love when the Bible is put forward as the answer, it's a book written by man, it has longevity , doesn't mean it is accurate or factual.

Believe what you want, but may as well believe in Santa , he has been in text for a while so must be true. Come to think of it , same logic , blind faith.

 

[Total Power]

Wowzers what a nutty thread.

So Jesus was sent by God 2000 years ago to save the list and save the sinners, to be mankind's one and only saviour.

But since then in all those years we have seen countless wars, awful crime, uspeakable acts by people , people killing for and dying for religion and good old God sits back and does nothing . Intervened years ago so it's on you now people, capriciously went from all caring father to just watching his people suffer , what a guy . Surely he considered stepping in when his clergymen were molesting people for instance ? nah why bother.

Fortunately christians and their bible have the right god too, always found that amusing at a catholic school, lucky we got religion right and so many others who have faith in one of the other Gods are just dead wrong.

I love when the Bible is put forward as the answer, it's a book written by man, it has longevity , doesn't mean it is accurate or factual.

Believe what you want, but may as well believe in Santa , he has been in text for a while so must be true. Come to think of it , same logic , blind faith.

Why'd God make sin and hell in the first place? Remember we are born sinful cause of the curse he gave mankind. Imagine everyone is damned cause of the sin of one person, but all will be ok if you believe in this individual with temper tantrums. None of it makes sense if you think about it.

 

[The King!]

Why'd God make sin and hell in the first place? Remember we are born sinful cause of the curse he gave mankind. Imagine everyone is damned cause of the sin of one person, but all will be ok if you believe in this individual with temper tantrums. None of it makes sense if you think about it.

I mean once Eve clearly slept with her sons the bible goes downhill

 

[Vdubs]

It has everything to do with the contents of the Bible. That is the only place your Jesus - that you believe is "God" in human form - is described in any sort of detail at all and where claims to his divinity are also made. You continually quote frequently from the Bible, as if that is some sort of definitive truth that somehow validates your belief system and at the same time is supposed to convince the rest of us that your belief system is valid. Quoting from scripture has little effect as it does not demonstrate any truth for your set of beliefs.

God, Jesus and the Bible- that's all we have.
But that's all we need.

 

[Vdubs]

Rubbish, Christians are hardly the benchmark. They believe in various things, everyones different. Look at early Christianity, why didn't they believe Jesus was God but just a human? (pre constantine). Vast majority of your heathens voted for Trump, yet you think he is antichrist. That's just one example.

Then you guys pick and choose what suits you. OT when its convenient you quote it and when it isn't you guys switch to NT forgetting IT'S THE SAME GOD and without OT NT is pointless. OT is apparently the same god but YWH for gods sake he is worse than any god in history, stoning women killing babies and telling the rapists to marry the women for pardon. Your God is the god of Bible (NT only) period, there's no similarity between any other god and Jesus...YWH included.

I like the way you guys try to distance yourself from YWH while saying OT is just as valid and there is one god but only Jesus matters, but YWH is the Father, so Jesus and YWH are the same person according to Trinity. Why is god suffering from bipolar syndrome?

When I was searching, I was attracted to Christians, but spent most of my time looking for hypocrisy, failures, and succeeded. But discovering Christ was so utterly life changing, I can never look back.

 

[Roylion]

But that's all we need.

That may be all you need, but I myself don't see the need.

 

[Vdubs]

Wowzers what a nutty thread.

So Jesus was sent by God 2000 years ago to save the list and save the sinners, to be mankind's one and only saviour.

But since then in all those years we have seen countless wars, awful crime, uspeakable acts by people , people killing for and dying for religion and good old God sits back and does nothing . Intervened years ago so it's on you now people, capriciously went from all caring father to just watching his people suffer , what a guy . Surely he considered stepping in when his clergymen were molesting people for instance ? nah why bother.

Fortunately christians and their bible have the right god too, always found that amusing at a catholic school, lucky we got religion right and so many others who have faith in one of the other Gods are just dead wrong.

I love when the Bible is put forward as the answer, it's a book written by man, it has longevity , doesn't mean it is accurate or factual.

Believe what you want, but may as well believe in Santa , he has been in text for a while so must be true. Come to think of it , same logic , blind faith.

since then, and not before?

 

[Total Power]

When I was searching, I was attracted to Christians, but spent most of my time looking for hypocrisy, failures, and succeeded. But discovering Christ was so utterly life changing, I can never look back.

I am happy that your belief changed your life, but that's hardly what we are discussing here. My unbelief changed my life too but you are hardly interested in that. In statistics we call it selection bias.

 

[Total Power]

since then, and not before?

He was making a point, nothing changed with Jesus' appearance, things just got much worse and will get a lot worse (and god didn't know any of it apparently????). The point being Jesus can lift the curse anytime he wants and none of this will happen. Instead of 'accept me and then....'. Reminds me a lot of my ex jealous GF.

 

[Vdubs]

Plenty of things written in the Bible (not even talking about the OT) is purely immoral. If God is just then things should be objectively right..not with the age. Slavery , misogyny, blasphemy, racism etc, NT validates it. Paul, Peter all of them considered women as 2nd rate citizens. We do not believe in these things now.

Christ is not the way, your morality of picking and choosing is the way.

This cannot come from a God.

Second Jesus believed Adam was a real person. God wouldn't know adam and Eve are fairytales?

You keep saying IF GOD is... according to Total Power.

I am happy that your belief changed your life, but that's hardly what we are discussing here.

Surely dealing with real live people who have had these experiences must count for something

 

[Total Power]

You keep saying IF GOD is... according to Total Power.

According to the OT. Now OT is not a book of YWH? or NT? if it isn't then what are we discussing here?

Surely dealing with real live people who have had these experiences must count for something

So people who ditch Christianity and live happily don't count? my unbelief doesn't count? You don't seem to be interested how my life and hundreds and thousands that i know turned their life around after ditching religion. Muslims Hindus, Buddhists living happily don't count? only those YOU THINK matters, matter? what i am saying is your stance is called the selection bias.

FFS mate.