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Just went to a game between Hertha BSC and Frankfurt in Berlin. You havent seen anything until you see the fans at these games. It seems like they spend more time jumping up and down and chanting than actually watching the game. The local team got up, and I havent seen anything in AFL to match the raucousness of the fans after the match.
Having said that, soccer is still boring as a sport, AFL kicks its arse, but the fans are interesting though.....
Having said that, soccer is still boring as a sport, AFL kicks its arse, but the fans are interesting though.....
And AFL is a game for big, tough, boofheads who assault people in hospitality while representing their country, and go around sleeping with other women while in wedlock?
I'd call that weak more than anything.quote]
Ahh, you're bit of a girls blouse, eh Lazio. This was posted before, but here's a look again at a fine piece:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/jig-is-up--give-world-cup-the-boot/2006/09/01/1156817097677.html
Jig is up - give World Cup the boot
Michael Duffy
September 2, 2006
MY HEART sank at speculation this week that Sydney might host the 2010 World Cup finals in the sport formerly known as soccer. Despite the recent media-encouraged palpitations, it is not a game Australia has taken to its collective heart.
MY HEART sank at speculation this week that Sydney might host the 2010 World Cup finals in the sport formerly known as soccer. Despite the recent media-encouraged palpitations, it is not a game Australia has taken to its collective heart.
It's not as if we haven't had plenty of opportunity. Large-scale immigration from Europe for decades after World War II provided the rest of the nation with lots of exposure to the sport. SBS has been devoting millions of dollars of taxpayers' money to promoting and broadcasting it for years.
Yet as a spectator sport, it remains a minority interest.
Lots of parents force their children to play football for reasons of social engineering: they want to make their boys more like girls and their girls more like boys. Whether it achieves either of these noble aims is doubtful, but what's not in doubt is the speed with which most people abandon the sport the moment they don't have to play it.
I don't think we should worry about this. If anything, it's a tribute to the national temperament. This was brought home by watching Australia's games and the semifinals in the recent World Cup.
You rose from your bed in the early hours to spend an hour and a half watching the ball move from one player to another several hundred times without passing through the white posts at either end of the field more than once or twice. It was like golf without the excitement.
Meanwhile, enormous crowds of people shrieked and moaned as if in the grip of some drug-induced ecstasy. The outcomes were usually random and yet, weirdly, everyone accepted this after a bit of ritual huffing and puffing.
Australia is not the only country with little interest in football; Americans are also supremely indifferent.
A paper by Allen Sanderson, an economist at the University of Chicago, provides reasons for this dislike of football, which I suspect will strike a chord with many Australians.
Sanderson starts by recalling watching the World Cup final between Italy and France with 20 French economics students "who were, in the end, more depressed about the outcome of that title game than they were about their own economy".
Sanderson, who specialises in sports economics, found the whole thing puzzling. "Throughout the entire two-plus-hour ordeal, I kept asking myself: why would anyone waste good time or money watching this sport?"
He was struck by the lack of scoring and the "ubiquitous flops that would make an NBA [National Basketball Association] player jealous or incredulous" and the way players cannot touch the ball with their hands and arms but are allowed to risk brain damage by heading it. He wondered why these drawbacks are obvious to several hundred million Americans but not to 6 billion others. He came up with an ingenious hypothesis.
"In our society and our sports," Sanderson believes, "most Americans like to see some relationship between effort and reward. In labour and product markets, we appreciate competitive market forces and incentives that reward ability, hard work and ingenuity.
"The same is true for the sports we participate in and follow as spectators. While we can appreciate the grace, artistry or skill associated with, say, figure skating or soccer, we like it best when someone keeps score. And we like the scoring to have some measure of justice or rationality to it."
He points out that in American football and basketball, domination of the game is usually rewarded by points, lots of them. Over the course of a game, these mount up to a concluding score that indicates clearly the extent of one team's superiority over the other.
In football, "over 90 minutes there are hundreds of changes of possession with no change on the scoreboard. A team can dominate the game, control the ball beautifully, pass with tremendous elan, out-play the other team, and still not score." When they do score, it can be from a penalty kick-off at the end.
"Settling a tie in basketball after 40 or 48 minutes of action by letting the five players on each team shoot one free throw, or picking the Masters champion by seeing how many consecutive three-metre putts Tiger Woods or Phil Mickelson could make, would leave us quite dissatisfied."
Turning again to economic behaviour, he suggests the random nature of football outcomes is consistent with European feelings about equality, risk-taking and economic outcomes.
He says those Americans who support the game "are uncomfortable with competitions that produce winners and losers, and soccer appeals to their egalitarian, risk-averse streak. The same crowd usually also can be counted on to oppose globalisation."
Sanderson also argues that men have evolved to have considerable strength in their upper torsos.
They often use this in combat, and sport was developed as a way to channel physical aggression into less harmful behaviour. For football to prevent men from using their arms and hands is simply perverse, making it the sports equivalent of Irish dancing. (
The spectator sports favoured by most Australians suggest we see things pretty much as the Americans do.
This is not a football nation, and the state premiers should think again about their support for holding the World Cup.
some good points....like it
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RJ's assessment continues to look worse and worse after tonights game at Olympic Park. The crowd participation was probably the best we've had at a home game and 50 times of that of an AFL game
And AFL is a game for big, tough, boofheads who assault people in hospitality while representing their country, and go around sleeping with other women while in wedlock?
I'd call that weak more than anything.quote]
Ahh, you're bit of a girls blouse, eh Lazio. This was posted before, but here's a look again at a fine piece:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/jig-is-up--give-world-cup-the-boot/2006/09/01/1156817097677.html
Jig is up - give World Cup the boot
Michael Duffy
September 2, 2006
MY HEART sank at speculation this week that Sydney might host the 2010 World Cup finals in the sport formerly known as soccer. Despite the recent media-encouraged palpitations, it is not a game Australia has taken to its collective heart.
MY HEART sank at speculation this week that Sydney might host the 2010 World Cup finals in the sport formerly known as soccer. Despite the recent media-encouraged palpitations, it is not a game Australia has taken to its collective heart.
It's not as if we haven't had plenty of opportunity. Large-scale immigration from Europe for decades after World War II provided the rest of the nation with lots of exposure to the sport. SBS has been devoting millions of dollars of taxpayers' money to promoting and broadcasting it for years.
Yet as a spectator sport, it remains a minority interest.
Lots of parents force their children to play football for reasons of social engineering: they want to make their boys more like girls and their girls more like boys. Whether it achieves either of these noble aims is doubtful, but what's not in doubt is the speed with which most people abandon the sport the moment they don't have to play it.
I don't think we should worry about this. If anything, it's a tribute to the national temperament. This was brought home by watching Australia's games and the semifinals in the recent World Cup.
You rose from your bed in the early hours to spend an hour and a half watching the ball move from one player to another several hundred times without passing through the white posts at either end of the field more than once or twice. It was like golf without the excitement.
Meanwhile, enormous crowds of people shrieked and moaned as if in the grip of some drug-induced ecstasy. The outcomes were usually random and yet, weirdly, everyone accepted this after a bit of ritual huffing and puffing.
Australia is not the only country with little interest in football; Americans are also supremely indifferent.
A paper by Allen Sanderson, an economist at the University of Chicago, provides reasons for this dislike of football, which I suspect will strike a chord with many Australians.
Sanderson starts by recalling watching the World Cup final between Italy and France with 20 French economics students "who were, in the end, more depressed about the outcome of that title game than they were about their own economy".
Sanderson, who specialises in sports economics, found the whole thing puzzling. "Throughout the entire two-plus-hour ordeal, I kept asking myself: why would anyone waste good time or money watching this sport?"
He was struck by the lack of scoring and the "ubiquitous flops that would make an NBA [National Basketball Association] player jealous or incredulous" and the way players cannot touch the ball with their hands and arms but are allowed to risk brain damage by heading it. He wondered why these drawbacks are obvious to several hundred million Americans but not to 6 billion others. He came up with an ingenious hypothesis.
"In our society and our sports," Sanderson believes, "most Americans like to see some relationship between effort and reward. In labour and product markets, we appreciate competitive market forces and incentives that reward ability, hard work and ingenuity.
"The same is true for the sports we participate in and follow as spectators. While we can appreciate the grace, artistry or skill associated with, say, figure skating or soccer, we like it best when someone keeps score. And we like the scoring to have some measure of justice or rationality to it."
He points out that in American football and basketball, domination of the game is usually rewarded by points, lots of them. Over the course of a game, these mount up to a concluding score that indicates clearly the extent of one team's superiority over the other.
In football, "over 90 minutes there are hundreds of changes of possession with no change on the scoreboard. A team can dominate the game, control the ball beautifully, pass with tremendous elan, out-play the other team, and still not score." When they do score, it can be from a penalty kick-off at the end.
"Settling a tie in basketball after 40 or 48 minutes of action by letting the five players on each team shoot one free throw, or picking the Masters champion by seeing how many consecutive three-metre putts Tiger Woods or Phil Mickelson could make, would leave us quite dissatisfied."
Turning again to economic behaviour, he suggests the random nature of football outcomes is consistent with European feelings about equality, risk-taking and economic outcomes.
He says those Americans who support the game "are uncomfortable with competitions that produce winners and losers, and soccer appeals to their egalitarian, risk-averse streak. The same crowd usually also can be counted on to oppose globalisation."
Sanderson also argues that men have evolved to have considerable strength in their upper torsos.
They often use this in combat, and sport was developed as a way to channel physical aggression into less harmful behaviour. For football to prevent men from using their arms and hands is simply perverse, making it the sports equivalent of Irish dancing. (
The spectator sports favoured by most Australians suggest we see things pretty much as the Americans do.
This is not a football nation, and the state premiers should think again about their support for holding the World Cup.
One of the biggest loads of trollop i've read, and that's why it was in the opinions section of the paper, reserved for people that have no idea what they are talking about.
KING-JAMES
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I love going to the soccer, awesome atmosphere when your at Northern or Southern ends. The Game of AFL though is always going to be might sport and is cleary better to watch.
Supersonic
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Wow another article from an AFL-centric journalist who either has his head stuck in the sand or is in complete denial. Not taken to heart? Did he see the crowds at Fed Square or Circular Quay and pubs across the country. The fact you share an appreciation of sport with Americans says it all. Soccer is meant to be a sissy sport yet over-hyped over-padded American footballers who can't play a combination of attack and defence, let alone only 16 matches a season takes your fancy?
You're kidding, right?
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I dont think i have heard 15,000 people make that much noise, ******** it was loud!
Wow another article from an AFL-centric journalist who either has his head stuck in the sand or is in complete denial. Not taken to heart? Did he see the crowds at Fed Square or Circular Quay and pubs across the country. The fact you share an appreciation of sport with Americans says it all. Soccer is meant to be a sissy sport yet over-hyped over-padded American footballers who can't play a combination of attack and defence, let alone only 16 matches a season takes your fancy?
You're kidding, right?
Why do you care?
Last time I looked this was a footy forum.
Thought it was tripe.....so journalists do know what they are talking about........but the punters dont
Dont agree with it, thats your right but clearly a lot of it makes sense.
Wow another article from an AFL-centric journalist who either has his head stuck in the sand or is in complete denial. Not taken to heart? Did he see the crowds at Fed Square or Circular Quay and pubs across the country. The fact you share an appreciation of sport with Americans says it all. Soccer is meant to be a sissy sport yet over-hyped over-padded American footballers who can't play a combination of attack and defence, let alone only 16 matches a season takes your fancy?
You're kidding, right?
....i can roll my eyes more than you ... so i winthe piece was in the opinions section and in sydney and i dont recognise him as a AFL journo........so thats why you get a couple more eye rolls
robbie williams tonight, best atmosphere at telstra
smasha
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Either you are duumb carnts or deluded fools-I've been to a few Victory games and the fans and the passion blow the AFL away.
i've been to 2 afl/vfl grand finals:
1989 - high scoring very close match, one of the best gf ever
1990 - collingwood supporters frothing etc
NEITHER of these games came even close to the atmosphere of the qualifier against iran in 1997...that was mindblowing
1989 - high scoring very close match, one of the best gf ever
1990 - collingwood supporters frothing etc
NEITHER of these games came even close to the atmosphere of the qualifier against iran in 1997...that was mindblowing
TheSaviour
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AFL has nothing on Soccer compares to atmosphere.
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The atmosphere is all well and great when your team is on fire and winning game after game like the Victory are but wait till they start losing etc. I guess in soccer the good times are GREAT but the bad times are very bad,
In the AFL while the good times are great I think the bad times are nowhere near as bad. Theres always some light at the end of the tunnel. In soccer you have to create your own path back to the top and it creates a very hostile atmosphere at most venues when a team is failing
In the AFL while the good times are great I think the bad times are nowhere near as bad. Theres always some light at the end of the tunnel. In soccer you have to create your own path back to the top and it creates a very hostile atmosphere at most venues when a team is failing
Depends how you define passion. I'm guessing your definition of passion can be found at any karaoke bar in the city.
I'd rather see passion from someone that turns up to every game rain, hail or shine. Someone that will still rock up when their team has lost 10 straight, it's 10 degrees and hailing and their seat is out in the open in a sh*t stadium.
Someone that doesn't really follow the team, reads in the paper that they've won 10 straight so goes and sings about the parentage of the opposition goalkeeper because there's nothing happening out on the field is not passion. It's just some bored soul that wants to act like a yobbo. Good on them for that, but don't go around claiming that they show more passion than any diehard of any other sporting team in the country.
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Im a bit over the 'wait til they're losing' argument.
Sure we might get a few ring-in bandwagoners extra who are coming along just for the experience, but the Victory has a very very hardcore faithful of at least 15k, which is steadily growing, and most have been there since day 1. Even with 'only' the 15k hardcore present last night it still had better vibe than every AFL theatre goer game of football Ive been to since probably the 2002/2003 Preliminary Finals.
Sure we might get a few ring-in bandwagoners extra who are coming along just for the experience, but the Victory has a very very hardcore faithful of at least 15k, which is steadily growing, and most have been there since day 1. Even with 'only' the 15k hardcore present last night it still had better vibe than every AFL theatre goer game of football Ive been to since probably the 2002/2003 Preliminary Finals.
Soccer atmosphere is good, however the game is boring as batsh*t.
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