ATTEMPTING to trip!?!

[Grendel]

How the hell does that work? Like a little bit pregnant or what?

What have they got it in for on Chance and blokes that play it hard like he does? Just because he goes in full bore 100% and they ping him on attempting? From what I saw his foot went forward he realised what he was about to do and stopped the motion of what COULD have been a very bad action. Should be applauded for thinking and stopping himself in time from getting into trouble.

But no, not only does he get reported for no contact at all but he gets given a free against him as well!!!

No bloody good enough. The umpire is the one who should be dropped for making the report (and giving the free). Changa should get a good word from the coach in that he toned it down when he probably would have in the past gone through with the action. Great signs to see he was thinking about the consequences of what he was about to do and stopped.

Set a very harsh precedent if he goes. If you shape to strike or pump your fist at someone what is going to happen there? Next thing you know blokes will be going for giving dirty looks at people.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

Originally posted by Grendel
Set a very harsh precedent if he goes.

No it won't - the precedent's already been set. Plenty of players have been reported and penalised for attempting to trip by the leg or foot (as opposed to the hand). It's taken very seriously. If the umpires and tribunal believe that the player's intention was to trip by leg or foot, then it's as serious as the player actually making contact.

 

[dogs105]

Originally posted by Grendel
How the hell does that work? Like a little bit pregnant or what?

Back in 1997, Rodney Jameson got suspended for 3 weeks for "attempting to strike" Scott Cummings, in the first showdown.
Actually, he was lucky that the camera took a while to notice what was going on, because the first dozen or so "attempts" were pretty good!

 

[Blues2001]

Re: Re: ATTEMPTING to trip!?!

Originally posted by BrainOfMorbius

No it won't - the precedent's already been set. Plenty of players have been reported and penalised for attempting to trip by the leg or foot (as opposed to the hand). It's taken very seriously. If the umpires and tribunal believe that the player's intention was to trip by leg or foot, then it's as serious as the player actually making contact.

I tend to agree. IF his intention was to trip, then yes, it is as serious IMHO.

 

[Syd Swan]

Re: Re: ATTEMPTING to trip!?!

Originally posted by BrainOfMorbius

No it won't - the precedent's already been set. Plenty of players have been reported and penalised for attempting to trip by the leg or foot (as opposed to the hand). It's taken very seriously. If the umpires and tribunal believe that the player's intention was to trip by leg or foot, then it's as serious as the player actually making contact.

Can't agree with you there, I have to agree with Grendel. He made absolutely no contact, so there shouldn't be a case to answer, if he is charged because of his intention, what next, a player goes out with the intention of jobbing someone, then he changes his mind will he be charged?

 

[goal_umpire]

Originally posted by Grendel
How the hell does that work? Like a little bit pregnant or what?

What have they got it in for on Chance and blokes that play it hard like he does? Just because he goes in full bore 100% and they ping him on attempting? From what I saw his foot went forward he realised what he was about to do and stopped the motion of what COULD have been a very bad action. Should be applauded for thinking and stopping himself in time from getting into trouble.

But no, not only does he get reported for no contact at all but he gets given a free against him as well!!!

No bloody good enough. The umpire is the one who should be dropped for making the report (and giving the free). Changa should get a good word from the coach in that he toned it down when he probably would have in the past gone through with the action. Great signs to see he was thinking about the consequences of what he was about to do and stopped.

Set a very harsh precedent if he goes. If you shape to strike or pump your fist at someone what is going to happen there? Next thing you know blokes will be going for giving dirty looks at people.

You are talking about the trip which happened when Chance Bateman was getting the ball from another player and the other player walked over him.

Yet again it is best not to take your anger out on the umpires.

Just wait and see what the outcome of the report is.

 

[Moron_Police]

Originally posted by Grendel

But no, not only does he get reported for no contact at all but he gets given a free against him as well!!!

Like a guy I put away once. It was so unfair, he fired three shots into a crowd. They totally missed everyone, and got convicted for no injuries whatsoever!

 

[SydneyBomber]

Re: Re: ATTEMPTING to trip!?!

Originally posted by Moron_Police


Like a guy I put away once. It was so unfair, he fired three shots into a crowd. They totally missed everyone, and got convicted for no injuries whatsoever!

BTW, are you related to the Spelling Police?

 

[BMD]

So if he tried to trip someone, but was unsuccessful for whatever reason, he should get away with it? I don't think so.

 

[Grendel]

Re: Re: ATTEMPTING to trip!?!

Moron_Police

Is that like 'it takes a crook to catch a crook'?

 

[Grendel]

Originally posted by BMD
So if he tried to trip someone, but was unsuccessful for whatever reason, he should get away with it? I don't think so.

No, Chance withdrew before any contact was made with from how it looked on the replay the thought of 'no, I don't want to do that'. A very split second decision where he has made the correct choice of not going through with a decision which could have been reckless and dangerous.

Surely that is to be condoned rather than penalised?

Didn't Wallis get a couple of weeks for attempting to strike years ago (only just recalled it)? Another case of reputation over actual incident.

Still think it is a joke of a report.

 

[Rusty Brookes]

If Bateman went flailing in, and the other player somehow saw it coming and avoided it, then there is a case. If he made out to trip the player but pulled himself up (which sounds like the case here), then he shouldn't have to front the tribunal.

 

[roobear]

Originally posted by BrainOfMorbius


Incidentally - do you think Chance's parents planned to have him, or what?

Lovely work!

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

Originally posted by Grendel


No, Chance withdrew before any contact was made with from how it looked on the replay the thought of 'no, I don't want to do that'. A very split second decision where he has made the correct choice of not going through with a decision which could have been reckless and dangerous.

Surely that is to be condoned rather than penalised?

Perhaps, but the original question was about the whole concept of "attempting to trip" being reportable, not about whether or not Chance should get off.

Incidentally - do you think Chance's parents planned to have him, or what?

 

[Bob_vic]

It's in the rule book...

Law 15.4.5 Prohibited Contact and Payment of Free Kick

(Free kick paid for)

(h) trips or ATTEMPTS TO TRIP an opposition Player, whether by the use of hand, arm, foot or leg;

Law 19.2.2 Specific Offences (Reportable)

(i) attempting to trip another person whether by hand, arm, foot or leg;

'nuff said...

Bob

 

[roobear]

Originally posted by BrainOfMorbius

Perhaps, but the original question was about the whole concept of "attempting to trip" being reportable, not about whether or not Chance should get off.

Incidentally - do you think Chance's parents planned to have him, or what?

okay once was enough...

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

Originally posted by Bob_vic
It's in the rule book...

Law 15.4.5 Prohibited Contact and Payment of Free Kick

(Free kick paid for)

(h) trips or ATTEMPTS TO TRIP an opposition Player, whether by the use of hand, arm, foot or leg;

Law 19.2.2 Specific Offences (Reportable)

(i) attempting to trip another person whether by hand, arm, foot or leg;

That's very interesting, I thought tripping by hand or arm was a free kick but not reportable. Wasn't this changed recently?

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

Originally posted by roobear


okay once was enough...

Huh?

 

[Bob_vic]

Originally posted by BrainOfMorbius

That's very interesting, I thought tripping by hand or arm was a free kick but not reportable. Wasn't this changed recently? How old is your rule book?

This is this year's rule book. It's been like that since the 2000 code came in, before it was only for foot or leg, now it's for hand and arms as well.

Bob

P.S. Just found my 1998 rule book, this is what it says...

Law 12 Free Kicks
(Free kick paid for)
12.4.7 Trips or kicks, or attempts to trip or kick, (That's all it used to say about that.)

Law 16.9 Reportable Offences
16.9.6(e) tripping or attempting to trip an opponent by foot or leg,

 

[roobear]

Originally posted by BrainOfMorbius

Huh?

either I quoted a post you hadn't sent yet, or you posted twice and deleted the first one. No?

there's no way I'm getting into an argument with you.... my puny mind is no match for the Brain of Morbius.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

Not me, roob, I've no idea what happened there. BigFooty hiccup?

 

[Macca19]

Re: Re: ATTEMPTING to trip!?!

Originally posted by dogs105


Back in 1997, Rodney Jameson got suspended for 3 weeks for "attempting to strike" Scott Cummings, in the first showdown.
Actually, he was lucky that the camera took a while to notice what was going on, because the first dozen or so "attempts" were pretty good!

He swung about 20 times and missed 20 times. Im glad Jameson doesnt want to be a boxer.

 

[Blues2001]

Originally posted by Rusty Brookes
If Bateman went flailing in, and the other player somehow saw it coming and avoided it, then there is a case. If he made out to trip the player but pulled himself up (which sounds like the case here), then he shouldn't have to front the tribunal.

That's fine. However, a lot of people tend to think that you shouldn't be reported for attempting to trip/strike etc. when the intention was clearly there . I disagree with this completely....if the intention is there and it was only luck that the strike/trip didn't happen then you have a case to answer IMO.

 

[goal_umpire]

Originally posted by Bob_vic
It's in the rule book...

Law 15.4.5 Prohibited Contact and Payment of Free Kick

(Free kick paid for)

(h) trips or ATTEMPTS TO TRIP an opposition Player, whether by the use of hand, arm, foot or leg;

Law 19.2.2 Specific Offences (Reportable)

(i) attempting to trip another person whether by hand, arm, foot or leg;

'nuff said...

Bob

Bob,

Are you an umpire?

Fantastic if you are!!

 

[Bob_vic]

Originally posted by suzi_olsen

Bob,

Are you an umpire?

Fantastic if you are!!

Yeah...

Bob