What are West Coast trying to do?
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Pretty reasonable return for a 29yo, I'd have though.
Which is why they did what they did this trade period. It's an unpopular move but our midfield had precisely zero depth in regards to senior players. This at least stabilises this area of the ground for the next few years so young mids we do bring in actually have a chance to develop properly.
I get you have NFI about the team, so I'm not going to list names you've never heard of, but we do have some decent youth coming through.
Those 2 refused to leave Melbourne, pretty common knowledge.
Pick 3 is a completely unknown quantity. i mean, your club just delisted your recent pick 6. That can't be considered a factor right now.
You and Kelly will have at least 3 more years, which is more than enough time for the next batch to come through.
Unsure if you noticed but McGovern just made the AA side, he isn't declining. Probably got another 2 years after next year.
I mean, you clearly don't know any of our young players, so this take is unsurprising.
Again, overrating draft picks. They could be a superstar, or a complete bust.
You've massively bought into the media spin, it seems.
The top end talent isn't anywhere near remote the best as previous drafts, it's simply very even and deep.
There are massive question marks over all the top contenders, which is why there's no clear pick 1, let alone top 10.
Every supporter base overattes their own young talent coming through, but you would struggle to find someone who isn't an Eagles supporter that agrees with you.
I'm not overrating them but you've listed one player and said nothing else is coming through, which is complete and utter bullshit.
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Good question OP.
Tom Barrass is worth a first round pick and something. As he is 29 and wanted to leave it made sense to trade him and get some additional draft assets. Our list has turned over significantly and there are only 7 players left from the 2018 GF and they are 27, 28, 28, 29, 31, 32, 32. Cole, Sheed, Duggan, Ryan as the under 30s aren't moving the needle at this point.
Take out the pick 3 trade and we have 3, 16, 2 x F2, 2 x F2, 2 x, F3. That's a good draft position to hold.
Pick 3 needed to be retained and used or split into multiple first round picks that were retained and used. No point sugar coating things, we won 5 games and finished with a percentage of 68. Teams have finished last with better records. We weren't historically bad like 2022/23 but with a better run at it (admittedly some senior players no longer on the list) we still lost 10 games by 50+. You can't trail by 100 points at HALF TIME and expect to be taken seriously.
We need to be entering the draft with pick 3 + the players we've added or a top 10 pick, a top 20 pick and the players we've added, or the trade does is not justified.
I don't want to hear about acquiring assets for Chad Warner either. We would be able to get a deal done without Hawthorn's picks next year.
Tom Barrass is worth a first round pick and something. As he is 29 and wanted to leave it made sense to trade him and get some additional draft assets. Our list has turned over significantly and there are only 7 players left from the 2018 GF and they are 27, 28, 28, 29, 31, 32, 32. Cole, Sheed, Duggan, Ryan as the under 30s aren't moving the needle at this point.
Take out the pick 3 trade and we have 3, 16, 2 x F2, 2 x F2, 2 x, F3. That's a good draft position to hold.
Pick 3 needed to be retained and used or split into multiple first round picks that were retained and used. No point sugar coating things, we won 5 games and finished with a percentage of 68. Teams have finished last with better records. We weren't historically bad like 2022/23 but with a better run at it (admittedly some senior players no longer on the list) we still lost 10 games by 50+. You can't trail by 100 points at HALF TIME and expect to be taken seriously.
We need to be entering the draft with pick 3 + the players we've added or a top 10 pick, a top 20 pick and the players we've added, or the trade does is not justified.
I don't want to hear about acquiring assets for Chad Warner either. We would be able to get a deal done without Hawthorn's picks next year.
I'm from WA and watch every West Coast game . A list of ginbey, hall, hough, Hewitt, Williams x2 , Edwards, bazzo , long, dewar, Hutchinson, Barnett, archer reid, chesser is a very underwhelming list.
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How do they get their way back into this years draft?
They have hawthorns first, second and third and their first and second.
Hawks first and eagles second for one of picks 21-23 perhaps?
These are all additional picks GWS, Syd and Richmond hold.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see then trade to here to pick up a decent kid.
They have hawthorns first, second and third and their first and second.
Hawks first and eagles second for one of picks 21-23 perhaps?
These are all additional picks GWS, Syd and Richmond hold.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see then trade to here to pick up a decent kid.
It clearly is for that poster.
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Carlton's F1 and F2 was worth pick 14. Hawthorn's F1 and F2 is going to be worth around the same. Our F1 is probably worth a top 10 pick this year given we will suck again and this year's draft is strong.
I know I'll be spitting out my cereal if we trade a bunch of future assets to get back into a draft we originally had pick 3 in.
Ginbey's the 2nd highest rated player from his age group, so pretty good when compared to the others.
Hewett's a question mark due to his injury but the talent is clearly there.
Hough's our best pure defender.
Jack Williams is still very young but has come on in leaps and bounds. Not sure you can count the other Williams in that group, as he's a bit older.
Ditto Edwards, but he more than held his own after Barrass went down. If that's the Edwards you're referring to.
Barnett appears to be a dud, unsure why they gave him 2 more years but he went and played back in the WAFL at the end of the season and looked way better than in the ruck, so there might be something to work with there hopefully. Not getting excited over him though. Lucky to still have a list spot.
Bazzo started really well early in his career but has since battled with the death of his mother, as well as a number of injuries. Looked very good early on, to the point Jack Riewoldt was raving about him.
Dewar's had huge improvement this season, looks a lively type after now showing much last year. Wait and see with him but I liked what he did this year.
Hutchinson showed in that second half against Geelong that he should be playing mid and not forward, so hopefully he trains there in preseason. Small sample size but he's certainly a goer and went from playing bush league at the start of the year to playing senior AFL and not looking too out of place.
Archer Reid looks very good, finished top 10 in the WAFL B&F after only playing a bit over half a season, or so. Tallest player in the WAFL apparently, but very agile, likes to tackle and is clean below his knees. Very bullish.
Chesser. Jury's out but now that we have a new coach, hopefully he won't be consigned to that gimp wing that ruined Brander's career and appears to be doing the same to Chesser's. Missed the better part of 2 seasons through injury also, so hopefully he finally gets a solid run in the guts at WAFL to build some form and confidence.
Like all young players, they could all come on, they could stagnate or they could bust.
What a load of crap. Hawks offered 14 which was fair compensation, but they had nothing left to bargain with, so they went elsewhere in order to pick up these tools. Apparently, Hawthorn is the only club who are not allowed to shop for their best deal. Believe what you want, but it was West Coast who initially sent the Hawks away, not the other way around.
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Eagles pulled this trick in 2022.
Should have had rising star Harry Sheezel.. instead ended up with Reuben Gibney.
Clearly learned nothing.
Should have had rising star Harry Sheezel.. instead ended up with Reuben Gibney.
Clearly learned nothing.
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Yeah, we struggled this year. Would be much happier with the Saints list. King is contracted to 2040 or something?
Our team is overflowing with kids. We dont need more kids. We need elite ready-to-go players. We got those with Battle and Barrass.
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Who is above the CEO? Are the board doing trade week now?
Time will reveal true trade outcome
The full picture of this trade and draft period won't become clearer for several years
"The full picture of this trade and draft period won't become clearer for several years"
Ah, no. If pick 12 turns out to be a superstar that does not justify trading down from pick 3.
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Clubs that are trying to trade into the top 20 of the draft will have to pay a premium to do so.
Those assets aren’t the equivalent of pick 14 anymore.
I hear what you’re saying but I’m not sure the value on the night will be the same.
Clubs that are trying to trade into the top 20 of the draft will have to pay a premium to do so.
Those assets aren’t the equivalent of pick 14 anymore.
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Enjoy watching the brain fart competition between Battle and Sam Frost
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Very even and deep iis the issue. Its even, deep and we hold 1 pick inside the top 20.
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2) Lawson Humphries. How can a kid who came through your academy look like a star at another team a couple of years later? How do you miss this kid when he's right under your nose?*
Given they had Nic Martin as a train on and passed on him too they certainly have form missing stars right under their noses
I have no idea, why are they thinking baker is a first rounder? A pick in the 20s for an uncontracted player is plenty. They should have got 14 for barass and a future 2nd. Then they'd have 3 14 in the draft and used a 4th for owies.
Osullivan is a vic country boy would have been perfect with reid to build around. Then I think Allan would be there at 14
Osullivan is a vic country boy would have been perfect with reid to build around. Then I think Allan would be there at 14
Did you geniuses come up with that together?
I can go back and add the word 'current' to all of my posts (like this rube added 'original') also if you'd like.
Did we come up with the ability to read?
No.
We just assume people can before they respond. Unfortunatley that isnt always the case.
And what is the issue, its 100% factual what the Hawks paid for Barress. The Hawks first three rounds of their 2025 draft hand before trade period commenced. With a F4th going back. A significant investment yes. Pretty much the entire draft hand each club gets issued each year depending on its ladder finishing position.
That was the deal, yes?
We are discussing the Barrass trade. Not what other pick swaps the Hawks did in other trades.
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