AUKUS

[Schneebly11]

She’ll be right he can sit in his corner and sing Kum ba ya and the rest of Australia can get on with it.

A Guardian essential poll early last year found 61% of the Australian public thought Australia China relations were a “complex relationship to be managed” over 21% “a threat to be countered”.

Now because of the ridiculous propaganda lately that’ll no doubt have fallen but recently the vast majority of Australians were not interested in going to a war footing with China, so the Greens would represent the majority.

 

[BigTacoBandit]

An Australian company is developing hydrogen on demand. The US DoD and DoE have picked in up as it delivers energy security without the need for sea lanes to remain open.

Meanwhile Australia is watching this go offshore to the UK and US

Exactly

 

[BigTacoBandit]

It's a while away from an electric truck or electric transport ship, arguably the largest consumers of oil.

Electric vehicles lose a lot of range as soon as they are pulling a heavy load.

It's a while away for us having nuclear submarines too.

It's amazing what money can do though.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Can anyone tell me how submarines can be priced at $45 billion each?
Is is made exclusively of gold and contain a heap of Picassos or something?

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Albanese needs to be challenged for the leadership after this historic debacle.

 

[Demons09]

A Guardian essential poll early last year found 61% of the Australian public thought Australia China relations were a “complex relationship to be managed” over 21% “a threat to be countered”.

Now because of the ridiculous propaganda lately that’ll no doubt have fallen but recently the vast majority of Australians were not interested in going to a war footing with China, so the Greens would represent the majority.

How many were in the poll because you know that wouldn’t be the vast majority of Australians

 

[Demons09]

Albanese needs to be challenged for the leadership after this historic debacle.

Lol historical debacle where do you come up with this crap , Bandt only speaks for about ten% of his electorate and Australians and even some of them wouldn’t be that delusional.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Lol historical debacle where do you come up with this crap , Bandt only speaks for about ten% of his electorate and Australians and even some of them wouldn’t be that delusional.

Keating called it a debacle, the greatest Labor Prime Minister next to Hawke.
Albanese has lost the plot and his pissweak policy is driven by fear of being wedged.
Only 20% of Australia's are fearful of a war with China. This hawkish push is driven by nationliats and arms manufactorer's stocks . Wake up to yourself.

 

[Schneebly11]

How many were in the poll because you know that wouldn’t be the vast majority of Australians

A poll is a representative sample of public opinion. It’s not like you say “well
They only polled 1500 people so the other 25 million have a different opinion”.

C’mon this is basic stuff you should know

 

[Schneebly11]

Only 20% of Australia's are fearful of a war with China. This hawkish push is driven by nationliats and arms manufactorer's stocks . Wake up to yourself.

There were polls taken in Taiwan recently. The Taiwanese are less afraid of an armed invasion by China than Australians are.

The power of a fearful media and the long term effect of the “yellow peril”

 

[peetoo]

Keating is absolutely spot on here.
Albanese chose this deal for purely a political reason, fear of wedging from Dutton.
Albanese is proving to be a very weak leader and is not acting in Australia's interests one bit.

Keating is right to criticize Albanese.

Paul Keating savages AUKUS nuclear submarine deal as Labor's worst since conscription - ABC News 'Worst deal in all history': Former Labor PM Paul Keating savages AUKUS submarine deal

Dutton:

We are so supportive of our policy you implemented (AUKUS) we will be fully supportive of you gutting a policy you left us to implement (NDIS)

Personally, I think the super profits tax should be resurrected to pay for AUKUS which is there for a threat which apparently wasn’t there during the Rudd Gillard years, oh and Morrison’s years has left a one trillion national debt

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

There were polls taken in Taiwan recently. The Taiwanese are less afraid of an armed invasion by China than Australians are.

The power of a fearful media and the long term effect of the “yellow peril”

It's a form of brainwashing over here.

 

[peetoo]

30 years ago it was all about Indonesia. Keeping the $$$ flowing to the forces

 

[nut]

Has China actually invaded anyone in the last few hundred years? A quick Google search says they invaded Vietnam in the 1400’s and Japan a few hundred years before that.

Meanwhile the USA has invaded how many nation’s in the last 100 years?

The narrative around all of this is insane

And every US invasion has been paid by the US tax payer for the benefit of business interests …. In the name of democracy and freedom!!!
It’s a sick joke.

 

[Rob R]

Good try but the British Empire and England win by a mile.
They haven't invaded any large country at all .
They've pulled 350 million people out of poverty in the last 20 years whilst homeless numbers grow in Western countries.
Have a look at the bad actors the US has backed.
Provoking a war with the world's soon-to-be biggest econonic power, is pure insanity .
Their military build is exactly the same as every rising economic power in history but they are not taking over other countries like other countries did.
Get some perspective.

While killing and imprisoning tens of millions of their own. Not to mention the bringing people out of poverty came as a result of the leaders before Xi who has taken his country away from the peaceful progressive path it was and is returning it to the horrors of Maos genocidal reign.

Interesting you support a government that as recently as last year was supporting the banning of Africans from shops and only stopped when African nations threatened to block exports of strategic materials. Surely given your passionate support for human rights, you are concerned about that

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[Gough]

While killing and imprisoning tens of millions of their own. Not to mention the bringing people out of poverty came as a result of the leaders before Xi who has taken his country away from the peaceful progressive path it was and is returning it to the horrors of Maos genocidal reign.

Interesting you support a government that as recently as last year was supporting the banning of Africans from shops and only stopped when African nations threatened to block exports of strategic materials. Surely given your passionate support for human rights, you are concerned about that

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That's why China aren't the threat people are making out. If they have to kill and imprison tens of millions of their own just to keep the peace internally, empire building is going to take second place to maintaining CCP control over the country.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

While killing and imprisoning tens of millions of their own. Not to mention the bringing people out of poverty came as a result of the leaders before Xi who has taken his country away from the peaceful progressive path it was and is returning it to the horrors of Maos genocidal reign.

Interesting you support a government that as recently as last year was supporting the banning of Africans from shops and only stopped when African nations threatened to block exports of strategic materials. Surely given your passionate support for human rights, you are concerned about that

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That's a big exaggerarion and totally irrelevent to us putting the country into debt for buying 8 useless submarines.
China isn't going to invade Australia, they have no history of invading western countries.
Why aren't you mentioning other countries with human rights abuses like North Korea,Yeman, Iran, Syria, Burma, Sudan and Russia(and Australia)? Should we be preparing for war with them as well?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

While killing and imprisoning tens of millions of their own. Not to mention the bringing people out of poverty came as a result of the leaders before Xi who has taken his country away from the peaceful progressive path it was and is returning it to the horrors of Maos genocidal reign.

Interesting you support a government that as recently as last year was supporting the banning of Africans from shops and only stopped when African nations threatened to block exports of strategic materials. Surely given your passionate support for human rights, you are concerned about that

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The US wiped out about 100 million Native Americans, many by infecting them with Small Pox
The US murdered about 12 million African Slaves
The UK strarved about 5 million Indian's under Churchill's ordersl

Your turn

 

[nut]

Like Keating said …. When are we putting sanctions on India?

 

[QuietB]

they have tried to invade taiwan twice

not to mention they over the legitimate government in their own nation

tibet anyone? philipines? bhutan? the uyghurs are kazakhs....south korea?

china backed the khmer-rouge and then attacked vietnam (north vietnam) in response to dealing with the khmer rouge.



In terms of the narrative is insane..........are you suggesting ignoring China's declaration of war within a time frame of 5 years shortened to 2 would be insane or china's declaration is insane?

So you are saying if China does peruse reunification with Taiwan - which Australia formally recognises as One China - that Australia should go to war? And for what? To protect USA business interests? What else?

 

[QuietB]

Like Keating said …. When are we putting sanctions on India?

Or Israel?

 

[QuietB]

China have not declared a timeline for war at all. If we start a war who will win, our 8 subs or China's 500 subs?
And so you endorse using a big part of your taxes on this farcial magical submarines?
And you endorse cutting the NDIS and other programs for this folly.

It is only $15,000 for each and every Australian. Chicken feed

 

[nut]

Or Israel?

Or Saudi’s

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Cancelled French submarine deal a ‘tragic omission’, Turnbull says

The list of former prime ministers lining up to criticise the Aukus deal is growing – Malcolm Turnbull has joined the list.

He says he thinks it is a “tragic omission” that the option of a nuclear propulsion submarine with France was not pursued.

And we will be paying for it … in dollars, in years lost and in a very, very high risk of execution.

Turnbull says he accepts that it’s a done deal but it’s going to take a lot more time than the French program that “[Scott] Morrison recklessly cancelled”.

 

[RICHOLEGEND12]

That's a big exaggerarion and totally irrelevent to us putting the country into debt for buying 8 useless submarines.
China isn't going to invade Australia, they have no history of invading western countries.
Why aren't you mentioning other countries with human rights abuses like North Korea,Yeman, Iran, Syria, Burma, Sudan and Russia(and Australia)? Should we be preparing for war with them as well?

Yes they're not going to invade Australia. But they are going to invade Taiwan. They openly say this. Its not worth WW3, but it is sacrificing a population similar to the size of Australia to an authoritarian state. And even a war just between China and Taiwan will be absolutely disastrous. Let alone what other ambitions they may have in the pacific. If you were Japan, for example, I think you would be fairly worried.. and they are.

Yeah yeah yeah, What about America?? What about UK? Yes both these countries have done horrible things in the past. But that doesn't take away from what China is doing to its own people now, the way it bullies other countries, and the rapid increase its undertaking in military power. It is going to become the dominant power in the pacific. And its a brutal, one party, authoritarian state. Is that good for the region? No. But theres nothing that can be done about that.

The best we can hope for is reform in China, and hence is outwards projection in the pacific changes. But you would be absolutely stupid to think their is no possibility of conflict. With or without the USA hanging around the pacific. The world doesn't revolve around the USA (as much as they think it does), but the history of much of the world is war, and its no different in the asia-pacific. Underlying disputes, territorial claims. With one power rising rapidly, the order is going to change, they'll have the power to do that, to right perceived wrongs. Any conflict in the pacific is going to effect Australia. **** knows about the submarines, but its ignorant to think there is no chance of conflict, and that everything will continue on as is.